Quote from: PsygnI on June 24, 2016, 09:15:56 AM

Kinda characterizes the whole thing for me:

Yeah, it's a mess alright.

It's still the first day. We really need to wait until we have a new prime minister and negotiations begin before we start trying to judge how fucked or not fucked we are.

It's also not unlikely that both Belgium and Spain would veto Scottish entrance to the European Union, given their own troubles with secessionist movements. The Kingdom may yet survive . It's too early to call.

Quote from: Meta Cognition on June 24, 2016, 08:03:19 AM

Quote from: Flee on June 24, 2016, 08:02:17 AM

125,000 votes already.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215

If the government don't stick with the original referendum, there'll be rioting.

I'm calling it.

Just British banter. Go sign, my friends.

I'm ready to fight for the Nige Insurgency. My ancestors are smiling on me Eurocrat, can you say the same?

Can someone clarify why the PM would resign at such a chaotic time?

He's staying on until October, just before the party conference, so a new leader can be selected who will guide us through leaving. He did originally say he'd stay on, but to be perfectly honest the Tories are the party of regicide. No way in hell he could campaign for Remain and reasonably take us through the exit procedure; there needs to be a pro-Brexit Tory at the head of the party.

Like Farage says, now we need a Brexit government.

EDIT: Bearing in mind we don't elect the PM the same way America elects presidents. The parties choose their leaders internally, and we don't vote for a specific PM.

you cunt

Guardian says this:

"More on joint efforts by Scotland’s first minister, Nicola Sturgeon, and the London mayor, Sadiq Khan, to secure some kind of referendum opt-out for Scotland and London.

Here’s what Sturgeon said:

I have made it clear to the prime minister this morning that the Scottish government must be fully and directly involved in any and all decisions about the next steps that the UK government intends to take.

We will also be seeking direct discussions with the EU institutions and its member states including the earliest possible meeting with the President of the European Commission.

I also be communicated over the weekend with each EU member state to make clear that Scotland has voted to stay in the EU and I intend to discussion all options for doing so.

I have also spoken this morning with [London] mayor Sadiq Khan and he is clear that he shares this objective for London, so there is clear common cause between us.

Khan’s office confirmed that he had talked to Sturgeon about the need for Scotland and London to be involved in Brexit negotiations."

A London opt-out will simply not happen. It just couldn't work with free movement.

Quote from: gats on June 24, 2016, 06:31:49 AM

Farage says no £350m for the NHS. Fox says no rush to invoke Article 50. Hannan says no end to immigration . Oh Britain, have you been had.

There were people who actually thought immigration would stop?

No.

Literally everybody on the Leave side has taken pains to explain they don't want to shut the door completely.

Yeah, the turnout one is pushing it, especially given the already high turnout rates for this referendum. I do agree with the 60% part though. This should spur more debates, talks and potential reforms to paint a clearer picture and reach a better consensus among citizens. Not lead to a drastic decision being taken when just about half the people are adamantly opposed to it.

I'm surprised you have absolutely any faith in the idea that further deliberation would result in meaningful "debates". Not only have the campaigns been godawful, but even through the entire run-up it was pretty much split 50-50 the entire time.

Having a second referendum isn't going to lead to any kind of meaningful progress with regards to citizens' decision-making, and it's going to piss a lot of people off.

Quote from: Flee on June 24, 2016, 06:10:00 AM

Quote from: True Turquoise on June 24, 2016, 06:06:52 AM

Quote from: Flee on June 24, 2016, 06:04:35 AM

So this is happening now too, apparently.

A petition for parliament to require a certain turnout and voting percentage for a referendum on Brexit to count already reached 100,000 votes, meaning it'll go both to the Parliament and Goverment. It's getting so much traffic it's taken down the official Parliament petition website.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215

Second thoughts, anyone?

I'd say sign it if the site goes back up. As I said earlier, not following the referendum is delicate and strange, but so is abandoning decades of closer cooperation and Union works because one side ending up 1.9% over the halfway mark, especially when a lot if comes down to a whim in light of recent events. The country being this divided that it's really almost 50/50 on such a major issue should probably lead to more debates and changes rather than just going against what half of the people want. Probably not going to matter at all though.

Petition's back up and gained over 5,000 votes in not even 5 minutes.

Its official description is "We the undersigned call upon HM Government to implement a rule that if the remain or leave vote is less than 60% based a turnout less than 75% there should be another referendum."

The turnout requirement alone is ridiculous; this is the highest we've ever had for decades. Do they think having a second one will encourage more people to vote.

Quote from: Fedorekd on June 24, 2016, 05:33:30 AM

Wait, what? London Independence? That's new.

Wait what?

Not independence I don't think, but Sturgeon just said Sadiq Khan intends to try and keep London in the European Union.

Unless we've both misheard her.

well, time to reconquer scotland

is she gonna announce a referendum, so soon?

fuck

Boris is managing to not sound like a bumblefuck, for once.

with a divided Europe it's easier for terrorists to hide?

And borders like that have nothing to do with weapons and terrorists moving around Europe?

I literally can't tell you how palpable the butthurt is in Scotland right now.

indyref 2.0 when

Pretty much cities = stay, rural = leave.

topkek

Labour is gonna take a fucking hammering at the next election. It's pretty much a dead party by this point.