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1531
« on: June 28, 2016, 05:32:04 AM »
That's honestly your best case scenario. Boris seems to be leaning towards joining the single market.
The Tories have a tendency to kill off their front-runner, and there are rumblings of a plot to stop Boris taking the leadership. I wouldn't at all be surprised if he didn't take the spot.
1533
« on: June 28, 2016, 05:08:30 AM »
Suggestions for further contributions to an already existing military structure on a completely voluntary basis? Harmonization of national criminal law provisions, which has been going on for literally decades? Expansion of the EMU to common tax policies in certain fields? I don't find the first and second to be particularly agreeable. Not superstate levels of evil, but not necessarily good. Leave has been equally guilty of it.
I know, but this time you have to blame the Polish state media >.>
1534
« on: June 28, 2016, 04:27:08 AM »
probably because it's the only premise through which we can have a coherent basis for reality
Not true. Logical positivism is, rightfully, dead. What Door should be asking is we he should give a fuck about fallibilism, instrumentalism and Bayesian probability.
1535
« on: June 28, 2016, 04:25:28 AM »
allowing for free movement of peoples across Western Europe and the UK.
Do you want everywhere that isn't London and and Scotland to revolt?
1536
« on: June 28, 2016, 04:22:17 AM »
and being vaginally pushed into Land Formation A rather than Land Formation B is an extremely arbitrary thing to be proud of
Except nobody is proud of being born in a certain country. Patriotism comes from pride in your forefathers and those around you who have managed to succeed in creating a marginally decent society, and raising you right. Of course I'm proud to be British when I compare my country to the likes of say, Pakistan. . . I'm proud my ancestors and my current countrymen, for the most part, do not kill their daughters when they are raped. It's possible to be proud for others as well as for yourself.
1537
« on: June 28, 2016, 04:17:34 AM »
No country of actual importance has rushed to make a trade agreement with you guys, some countries even reluctant to begin talks.
Of course some countries are reluctant to begin talks; they have no idea where we sit in relation to the single market. We've had politicians in different countries make good noises, but anybody who expected countries to be lining up on day one is deluded. But why is everybody ignoring the fact that German industry is pushing hard for trade relations to remain normal? The French are also being co-operative. We basically have the only two countries in the Union which matter calming tensions instead of stoking them. EDIT: It's also not clear how many jobs will relocate. Morgan Stanley has already denied shifting 2,000 jobs overseas, and in all likelihood we won't see much relocation until we know what how our services can be traded with the Continent.
1538
« on: June 27, 2016, 07:27:35 PM »
While Welsh independence likely won't happen, I wouldn't be surprised if the Scottish succeed in another vote.
And we English will sit here and bide our time until their economy collapses. And then we dust off the ol' red coats.
1539
« on: June 27, 2016, 06:59:10 PM »
Or we could just look at the actual report, to be fair, given how fucking shitty the media has shown itself to be. On integrated armed forces: France and Germany will promote the EU as an independent and global actor able to leverage its unique array of expertise and tools, civilian and military, in order to defend and promote the interests of its citizens. ..The EU should be able to plan and conduct civil and military operations more effectively, with the support of a permanent civil-military chain of command. The EU should be able to rely on employable high-readiness forces and provide common financing for its operations. On legal systems: In the longer term, it would make sense to enlarge the scope of the European public prosecutor’s office in future (currently limited to prosecuting offenses concerning the EU’s financial interests) to include fighting terrorism and organised crime. This would require harmonisation of criminal law among the member states. On fiscal policy: Public support for the euro is undermined by a lack of progress on its social dimension and fair taxation among its member states. Hence, as a general principle, any step to further deepen the EMU should be accompanied by progress in the field of common taxation, in particular with regard to transnational corporations, as well as the development of a social union underpinned by common social minimum standards. Spoiler QUA QUA QUADRUPLE POST.
And what? Fascist mods.
1540
« on: June 27, 2016, 06:55:47 PM »
Given that the Polish are pretty Eurosceptic, here's a Reuters article on it.
1541
« on: June 27, 2016, 06:47:15 PM »
Schulz: "The British have violated the rules. It is not the #EU philosophy that the crowd can decide its fate". Seriously, what the fuck?EDIT: This looks to be false.
1542
« on: June 27, 2016, 06:43:20 PM »
http://www.thenews.pl/1/10/Artykul/258994,New-EU-superstate-plan%E2%80%99-causes-alarmThe foreign ministers of France and Germany have proposed creating a “European superstate” limiting the powers of individual members following Britain’s referendum decision to leave the EU, Polish public broadcaster TVP Info has reported.
The document in which the proposals appear is to be presented to Visegrad Group countries meeting in Prague on Monday by German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier, TVP Info said, adding that the document was an "ultimatum".
TVP Info said the proposals would mean members of a superstate would in practice have no right to their own army, to a separate criminal code or a separate tax system, and would not have their own currency.
In addition, TVP Info said, member states would lose control over their own borders and procedures for admitting and relocating refugees.
Polish Foreign Minister Witold Waszczykowski told TVP Info: "This is not a good solution, of course, because from the time the EU was invented... a lot has changed.
“The mood in European societies is different. Europe and our voters do not want to give the Union over into the hands of technocrats.
“Therefore, I want to talk about this (in Prague) -- whether this really is the right recipe today in the context of a Brexit."
Martin Schaefer, a spokesman for the German foreign ministry, said: "Berlin does not want superstate, it wants a better Europe."
Meanwhile, Waszczykowski said later on Monday that the document by Germany and France was drawn up before the Brexit decision. He said it included "old ideas" and "does not take into account what happened during the... referendum." LOL DONT WORRY GUYS NATIONAL SOVEREIGNTY ISNT REALLY AN ISSUE
1543
« on: June 27, 2016, 06:38:30 PM »
Generally, polls put the number of Welsh people keen on independence at around 10%. Following last year’s Scottish independence referendum, the number fell to 3% in one poll.
Wood said she believed attitudes had changed. Lol. Just kidding.
1544
« on: June 27, 2016, 06:37:31 PM »
1545
« on: June 27, 2016, 06:23:45 PM »
they'd probably rather move to an office in frankfurt or dublin and keep doing business than stay based on unpredictable circumstances
The City is not the City because of the Single Market. Will some jobs relocate? No doubt, but our geography, language and legal system all contribute to us being an attractive country for financial services to base their operations.
1546
« on: June 27, 2016, 04:08:27 PM »
with half our economy going into the drink who is going to want to deal with us in our desperation
every country knows that they dont have to give us a damn thing and we will eventually settle with whatever scraps we can get for them to have the best deal
It worries me that people like you are able to vote.
1547
« on: June 27, 2016, 04:07:23 PM »
who has any plan about what is going to happen next because afaik boris went off to play cricket, gove left commons in the middle of this mess A unit is being set up in Whitehall specifically to deal with the negotiations; Merkel has said there is no need for bitterness during the negotiations; Manuel Valls has called on the EU to stop being intrusive in the process; both Merkel and Hollande say they are in agreement over the UK exit strategy; German industry is pushing hard for a tariff-free trade deal; both Germany and France have presidential elections coming up; and Tusk has called for the UK to remain a close partner. Now, do you have anything constructive to add? and they outright said theyd deny any access to the single market This is a lie since every country on the planet has access to the single market; they can't deny us any access unless they literally outlaw buying British imports or exporting to us. The question is what degree of access we will get.
1548
« on: June 27, 2016, 03:47:41 PM »
I'm not sure what happened
One guy asked a question on this programme we have here that was very telling. He said something to the effect of: "The peasants have revolted against the aristocracy. After decades of the establishment ignoring ordinary people, how does it feel to be punched in the nose?"
1549
« on: June 27, 2016, 03:44:15 PM »
why hope hes fucking clueless and so is everyone else from the leave campaign
You don't get to be Mayor of London being clueless. And if you genuinely think everybody in the Leave campaign is "clueless" you really haven't been paying enough attention.
1550
« on: June 27, 2016, 03:12:40 PM »
It seems to me like you should be more angry at the 64pc of Millennials who didn't go out and vote, as opposed to all the oldies who exercised their democratic right.
1551
« on: June 27, 2016, 03:11:15 PM »
The rhetoric was aimed at the ignorant. Informed people had legitimate reasons on both sides. The Leave party used incendiary language to get a result they wanted. A referendum to leave the EU. that's all I am saying here. Well I wouldn't necessarily disagree with that, but I still take umbrage at your characterisation that the rhetoric was "extreme". It was certainly incendiary, on both sides, because of how divisive the issue is. But rhetoric aimed at the ignorant is par the course for pretty much any electoral event in any democracy.
1552
« on: June 27, 2016, 03:09:02 PM »
Why is Nigel Farage not an option?
I believe it's because he's not in the Conservative Party. He's UKIP (which is useless now that they left I would think). Cameron is stepping down and another from the Conservative Party is coming in.
At least I think that's how it's working.
Pretty much. The Conservative members of parliament shortlist two candidates, and then the 150,000-strong party base picks the winner. If Boris becomes leader, it's also likely he will call a snap general election in order to obtain a new mandate. So, for all we know, the next PM could be Labour.
1553
« on: June 27, 2016, 03:06:26 PM »
Yes there is Ashcroft Polls puts discontent among Leave voters at 1pc, compared to 4pc for Remain voters. The highest I've seen was mentioned by Flee at 7pc from Survation, which still wouldn't negate the majority. But still, a lot of people who voted Leave are regretting it. I'm not even sure how this is relevant. Many people must regret their choice in general elections. Many people probably regret their choice because of the volatility we're currently facing, which any Brexiteer worth his salt would've pointed out was to be expected. And, if the current volatility is the reason for high levels of regret, that is not a good justification for either having a second referendum or negating the results. Current issues in FOREX and stock markets are not necessarily indicative of the economic future of Britain, and we've already had people like Mervyn King pointing out its probably not going to be anywhere near as bad as most people seem to fear. If you're so stupid to not do your research and actually understand whats at steak, that's no one elses fault but yours. Given your (what seems to me) sanctimonious attitude towards Brexiteers, I have to ask what your opinion is of those who voted Leave on an informed basis?
1554
« on: June 27, 2016, 03:01:03 PM »
To point out the truth?
I'm yet to see a single Millennial call out the Baby Boomers and back it up with some actual evidence that can be pinned down to truly generational traits. Black people committing the most crime is not comparable, because black people tend to live in neighbourhoods of lower socioeconomic status. That kind of observation cannot be applied generationally.
1555
« on: June 27, 2016, 02:09:05 PM »
Ya know, that generation that always fucks shit up.
Why is ageism the last bastion of bigotry among the young? MUH FUTURE BEING ROOINED BY SELFISH OLD PEOPLE It's comically immature.
1556
« on: June 27, 2016, 02:07:57 PM »
My guess would be because there is a large sentiment of regret now.
No, there isn't.
1557
« on: June 27, 2016, 01:58:21 PM »
Basically this:
1558
« on: June 27, 2016, 01:54:14 PM »
Guys, we just cured Meta's- or should I say Meth-head's - drug addiction.
It wasn't you guys.
After the Brexit victory, I realised what a degenerate I was being and how I was insulting the Great Nige with my behaviour.
sounds like you're just a big fat PUSSY
Still more pussy than you'll ever get.
why would do I need pussy? I get plenty of ass
The only reason you're a fag is because you can't get pussy in the first place.
1559
« on: June 27, 2016, 01:53:00 PM »
What gets me is that people who are older than us Millennials have, for the most part, been working and paying into the system that they are making decisions on; chances are they have contributed more to this country than any one of us teenagers or 20-somethings. Some of them have even fought in wars against the very fascism they are now being accused of by pampered little middle-class twats.
But that doesn't matter. Their democratic right is invalid simply because they'll be dead soon.
Some of these cunts make my blood boil.
1560
« on: June 27, 2016, 01:44:27 PM »
jeremy corbyn
Pfft, he won't last. Most of his MPs don't like him, and a majority of his base want him gone. #Hillary4Labour
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