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Serious / Conservative or Liberal?
« on: September 12, 2014, 01:47:45 PM »
Now, obviously, such a dichotomy is always undesirable. However, I'm not referring to respective ideologies. I'm not asking if you're pro-gun control or pro-life or for a flat tax.
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I make this distinction mainly for the Yanks, the Conservatives of Britain have, historically, been the welfarists.
Ideologically, we all have fundamentally liberal values I would imagine. That is, the legal liberty and equality of all individuals, freedom of the press, fair elections and the like. But from this basis, of course, many divergences have presented themselves.

No, I'm talking about attitude. It isn't uncommon for people to experience times of radicalisation in their lives, usually under the influence of either adolescence or oppression. Some of you may consider yourselves radicals, which is fine. However, in the dichotomy I'm asking about the attitude of giving due respect to historical institutions like (for us Britbongs) the Monarchy, and taking things like tradition into account vs the attitude of "out with the old and in with the new", being hostile to traditions or such institutions.

I'm sure you can all differentiate between whether or not you fit into a more conservative or a more liberal attitude, but if you need further explanation, F.A. Hayek made a decent typology that can be applied to the dichotomy.
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the "British tradition" (conservative) and the "French tradition" (liberal). Hayek saw the [British tradition] as representative of a tradition that articulated beliefs in empiricism, the common law, and in traditions and institutions which had spontaneously evolved but were imperfectly understood. The French tradition [...] believed in rationalism and sometimes showed hostility to tradition and religion.

I'd put myself in the British tradition.


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The Flood / Listen to this while shitting for maximum effect
« on: September 12, 2014, 12:42:11 PM »
YouTube


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The Flood / Re: Remember that baby tarantula I got off Ebay?
« on: September 12, 2014, 12:21:43 PM »
I will find it.

And I will kill it.

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Serious / Re: AMA me anything about my beliefs
« on: September 12, 2014, 12:06:51 PM »
Why do you dumbshits always make the title "AMA me anything"?
You do realize that you're basically saying "ask me anything me anything", right?
Yes.

That's the joke.

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Serious / Re: Ask a psychopath anything
« on: September 12, 2014, 12:05:54 PM »
So, I ask, if it has little value, but not completely none, then how much do you value money over time? How much time, your life in hours, would you be willing to spend for what amount?
Not a clue. I'd certainly be willing to give up a fair amount of time for a large portion of money, not necessarily for the worth of the money itself, but the general ease of living and liquidity which it'd offer me. But, I really don't know, I'd need to be in a specific situation to judge it properly, I think.

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Serious / Re: Ask a psychopath anything
« on: September 12, 2014, 12:04:39 PM »
Not all psychopaths are bad. Certainly you're not the bad kind, right?
You'd need to define "bad" for me to answer that.

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Serious / Re: AMA me anything about my beliefs
« on: September 12, 2014, 04:58:24 AM »
I wouldn't say it's inaccurate though.

From my experience people's views and opinions evolve and graduate over time. There's nothing wrong with having a sudden change of ideals, but the rate at which you alternate your ideals is fascinatingly bizarre.

Just to clarify, I'm not even taking issue with it. Just pointing out an observation.

(FYI the "one week to the next" was hyperbole.)
Fair enough.

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Serious / Re: Ask a psychopath anything
« on: September 12, 2014, 04:39:11 AM »
What's your view on money? I mean that as in, how much value do you place on it, and how much of your time and life would you spend trying to pursue it, if at all?
That's actually a really interest question. I don't place much value on money at all. I understand that 10 pounds sterling is equal to 10 pounds sterling.

However, I don't intuitively understand the value of money. I can be fairly loose with my own money, as well as other people's.

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The Flood / Re: I have a History exam tomorrow. Halp Flood
« on: September 11, 2014, 07:21:40 PM »
For some stupid fucking reason, someone let the niggers out of their cages.

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Serious / Re: Ask a psychopath anything
« on: September 11, 2014, 07:10:31 PM »
This is a bit of a loaded question, so if I'm mistaken in any of my premises, feel free to correct me...

It's to my understanding that sociopaths do not have a capacity for empathy. Do you think a level of empathy is required in order to rationally solve moral dilemmas? Could a psychopath nullify his psychopathy by practicing morally good deeds (utilitarian deeds), or are they all ultimately self-serving?

It depends on how you look at it. I think a psychopathy is perfectly capable of acting, consequentially, in a moral way. Primary psychopaths (that is a psychopath, not a sociopath, which would be a secondary psychopath) are supposedly more willing to condone impersonal harm.

Interestingly, utilitarianism, as developed by Jeremy Bentham, is distinct by being high in systemising and low on empathising. While not psychopathic, Benthan was actually probably Aspergic which, when it comes to empathy, can share some characteristics with psychopathy.

Ultimately, it depends on whether or not you think the motivation or propriety of an action matters. If you do, then psychopaths are almost always amoral or immoral. If you don't, then you could probably get a consequentially moral psychopath at some point.

To answer the first question also, I firmly believe that moral "reasoning" is just post hoc rationalisation. Individuals with brain damage (which can actually be a determinant for criminal and psychopathic behaviour) to certain areas which diminishes empathy and other emotions leads to initial moral intuition make horrible choices morally.

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Although, a really important distinction to make is between cognitive and affective empathy. Psychopaths are capable, intellectually, of understanding and recognising emotions. They just don't have the ability to "relate" to other people. Empathetic deficiency in people like autists is down to a lack of cognitive empathy also, which leads to impaired intellectual understanding.

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Serious / Re: Ask a psychopath anything
« on: September 11, 2014, 06:50:52 PM »
]Lol yeah.

Oh man I can almost taste it.
Oh, the though of a shimmering piece of lengthy meat in my mouth.

Wonderful.

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Serious / Re: Ask a psychopath anything
« on: September 11, 2014, 06:46:57 PM »
Now I want a hotdog.
So do I.

Hotdogs are the sort of food you immediately want when thinking about.

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Serious / Re: Ask a psychopath anything
« on: September 11, 2014, 06:35:34 PM »
I think you said you wouldn't torture your own animals in your other thread, so do you experience love or affection to those people who are closest to you?
You could characterise it as affection, but not love. The best definition I've ever heard somebody give me of love is "caring for somebody more than you do for yourself".

It's a very selfish kind of affection, however. I'm closest, in my family, to my grandma. However, I have vivid memories of her saying something which annoyed me and then feeling a flash of intense anger. Whether that's normal, I don't know, but it can lead to horrible consequences when I act on impulse (I haven't, however, physically harmed a family member).


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Serious / Re: Ask a psychopath anything
« on: September 11, 2014, 06:33:37 PM »
Ketchup or mustard?
Ketchup for burgers and fries.

Mustard for things like steak and hot dogs.

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Serious / Ask a psychopath anything
« on: September 11, 2014, 06:31:01 PM »
Verbatim got his focused AMA to work, so I figured I'd go ahead and do mine. I do expect to take some flak for this, though.

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Antisocial (or dissocial) personality disorder is characterized by a lack of empathy or remorse and a pervasive pattern of disregard for, or violation of, the rights of others. There may be an impoverished moral sense or conscience and a history of crime, legal problems, and impulsive and aggressive behavior.

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Psychopathy is traditionally defined as a personality disorder characterized by enduring antisocial behavior, diminished empathy and remorse, and disinhibited or bold behavior.

And yes I put this in Serious because I'm actually interested in what a (marginally) serious discussion about this will look like.

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Disclaimer: I haven't been officially diagnosed with ASPD (psychopathy itself isn't even a diagnosis), because I am underage. This "assumption", if you like, is based on the general consensus of the professionals I have seen, and the fact that my current counselor is pushing really hard for me to see a psychologist >.>

If you don't believe me regardless, that's absolutely fine and is to be expected.

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Serious / Re: Ask an anti-natalist anything.
« on: September 11, 2014, 06:26:07 PM »
Doesn't anti-natalism rely on the general assumption that suffering is a vice and pleasure a virtue?

It would seem your first job is to support than assumption.

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The Flood / Re: I've tortured animals
« on: September 11, 2014, 06:24:16 PM »

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The core of your argument places responsibility on emotional, stupid, and manipulable kids to not fall prey to the amount of social pressure people can place on them to take nude pictures of themselves. Which is in and of itself horribly unethical and disgusting.
You're a fucking idiot. Stop conflating kids with teenagers.

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...In your fucked up opinion.
You're not seriously going to sit there and tell me that a 15-year-old consenting to publicly nude pictures of him/herself isn't a fucking retard.
That isn't what you said. You said that it would be okay for them to do it.
No. . .

I didn't.

A 15-year-old, under the AoC, cannot - or shouldn't - be able to own such property. I'm saying if it gets distributed because of his/her own stupidity, I won't shed any tears over the magistrates who ignore it.

In the same way it'd be illegal for somebody to distribute somebody else's property without consent, it would be an -probably minor - offence for somebody under the AoC to distribute their own "property". If they can't legally consent, I don't see how they can truly be considered in such ownership of this property.

Regardless, how do you propose we enforce this? Have you ever fucking used kik?

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]The whole forum reeks of pedophile culture.
At least take the effort to know what it is you're talking about.

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Serious / Re: Ask an anti-natalist anything.
« on: September 11, 2014, 05:54:55 PM »
What if somebody, ethically, just doesn't give a fuck about the aggregate suffering?

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...In your fucked up opinion.
You're not seriously going to sit there and tell me that a 15-year-old consenting to publicly nude pictures of him/herself isn't a fucking retard.

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That's entirely besides the point. You literally just told me that you're okay with nude pictures of kids circulating the internet if they gave it their consent even though kids cannot give consent like that because they do not understand the larger implication that doing things like that ruins lives.


Kids can't give consent, therefore they cannot properly be in possession of property.

We're still discussing the case of somebody 15-years-old, which isn't so black-and-white.

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Yeah, you're fucking sick.

No, dude, I don't know what the fuck you mean.

I don't know what you mean by "if that weren't an issue for me". You're essentially saying "If we remove what's wrong with an action from the equation, is the action okay?"

The answer is necessarily yes.

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And assuming that wasn't an issue for you, you would be okay with it?
What?

If we assume it isn't an issue with me, then surely the conclusion would be that I'm okay with it.

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In any sense, I'm sure you wouldn't say that those pictures should circulate, legally, as a punishment for their irresponsibility.
No, for the same reason it'd be illegal for somebody to circulate a manuscript for a new Harry Potter novel.

It isn't their property.

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Serious / Re: AMA me anything about my beliefs
« on: September 11, 2014, 05:26:31 PM »
Of course you are. Just comes off as a bit jarring when you're an communist one week, then a libertarian the next.
I think that's an unfair analysis.

My views don't change from one week to the next, and although spontaneous developments of interest can spur rapid alterations, it isn't a common occurrence.

I've also rarely identified as a libertarian outside of a social perspective, as I'm uncomfortable with its implications.

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The Flood / Re: Guess who's now employed, motherfuckers
« on: September 11, 2014, 05:20:20 PM »
Sainsburys? Tesco? Asda? Morrison's?
Morrisons.

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Teenagers are almost less responsible considering the amount of emotional distress they (we) go through.
Bull. Shit.

I've seen you say, on at least one occasion, that depression, one of the greatest emotional distresses a person can endure, isn't a big deal.

We don't give people aged 15 mortgages or the legal capacity to consume alcohol, with good reason. But there are a number of responsibilities that they're also close to, including driving a car and, in some places, voting.

15-year-olds know that taking a naked picture has its risks. The sense of immediacy diminishes the ability to perform a cost-benefit analysis in everybody, not just teens, but it's just bollocks to imply it somehow reduces responsibility.

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That's utterly a non-sequitur.

First of all, kid=/=15 year old. Paedophilia is only paedophilia with somebody pre-pubescent, which is usually classed as somebody 13 or under.

Second of all, 15 year olds are, to a degree, responsible. They, mostly, understand the nature of social media and the internet. Should they be criminally liable for distributing such pictures? No, but they bear a moral responsibility for it. Like walking through Detroit at midnight shining a torch on the fat wad of 50s in your hand.

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