Could someone please explain to me how scientists can claim to know all of this, just by using deductive reasoning?

"How do we reach conclusions with logic".

Just leave.

Solution Alpha: Nuke Africa.

>plebs actually supporting the windclucks

>implying north sea oil revenue isn't ridiculously

Can you do that in somewhere other than Serious?

China is Socialist though. Don't feel like arguing any more over it

You don't seem to understand that I'm not disallowing for variations in the form of government. I'm saying China can call itself socialist all it wants, but it simply isn't true according to the people who have even the slightest clue what they're talking about. To limit the definition of "socialism" to the extent that you are not only belies an incredibly jingoistic need to attack the ideology, but it's also to restrict so much as to make your point meaningless in the first place.

I'm also intensely amused by the supposed libertarian taking the Chinese government at its word.

Notice how I pointed out to GOVERNMENT, not ECONOMY. And China's economy is still a sub-genre of Socialism. Refer to one of my previous posts

It's Socialist. It's sub-form of Socialism can be whatever but it's still Socialist

You are joking. . . Aren't you?

You're not going to make reference to an entire politico-socio-economic system and then tell me you're only talking about the government.

The Chinese government can flaunt how socialist it "really is" all it wants, it just isn't true. It doesn't fit into a "sub-genre" of socialism, because it fits none of the proper criteria. It is, as I have said and demonstrated to you, State Capitalist. Like I say, being "constitutionally dedicated" to socialism doesn't necessarily make you some sort of socialist.

Just ask Tony Blair.

Pollution allows hospitals to create profit off asthma patients. I see no problem.

I know you're being sardonic but it's so mundane as to be banal.

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Nope

And profiting still happens under socialism

. . .

What?

China

If China was socialist you wouldn't have people running around saying that socialism doesn't work.

Except China is Socialist and it proves Socialism doesn't work

China is fast becoming the largest economy in the world.

China's GDP figures aren't necessarily reliable, even disregarding the fact that GDP figures aren't great in the first place.

China's miraculous growth, while admirable, masks a lot of internal debt and the social pressures exerted by the growing middle class.

Yes
Yes it is

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=single-party_socialist_state_of_china

Hell, even under Wikipedia it's government is stated as Single-Party Socialism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China

Do you just read the headlines of newspapers, instead of actually looking at the information properly?

The socialist market economy is the economic model employed by the People's Republic of China. It is based on the dominance of the state-owned sector and an open-market economy, and has its origins in the Chinese economic reforms introduced under Deng Xiaoping. The ideological rationale is that China is in the primary stage of socialism, an early stage within the socialist mode of production, and therefore has to adapt capitalist techniques to thrive. Despite this, the system has widely been cited as a form of state capitalism.[1][2]

Also, if you thought to follow up on the "socialist state" listing, you'd find this definition:

The term socialist state (or socialist republic) usually refers to any state that is constitutionally dedicated to the construction of a socialist society.

You could call a British government with Ed Miliband at the helm a socialist state and probably get away with it. It has no descriptive value when it comes to any economic system.

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Quote from: Kinder_ on September 18, 2014, 04:52:26 PM

Nope

And profiting still happens under socialism

. . .

What?

China

Oh yeah.

That country which isn't fucking socialist.

Good point.

Nope

And profiting still happens under socialism

. . .

What?

Quote from: Kinder_ on September 18, 2014, 04:39:19 PM

People are simply jealous of their history of wealth. I believe the reason why they have a huge financial history is because Christians had them attend banks, businesses, etc as Christian beliefs forbid the idea of profiting so  an easy way around is to hire people who share the same God but not the exact same beliefs.
Even more going back is the differences of their monotheistic beliefs against the polytheistic beliefs of
many ancient civilizations centuries ago like Egypt and I believe, if they were around, Phoenicia and maybe Babylon

Does that mean you controverted to socialism or authoritarianism?

Implying the two are mutually exclusive?

Why do you all proceed to make my job so difficult?

It's over, George.

Meta. Meta.

You gotta. Hop. Off. My. Dick.

But bby, we robbed that store together.

Like a modern Bonnie and Clyde.

Without all the dying and the bullet-ridden car.