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Serious / Re: How serious are you on a day to day basis?
« on: October 12, 2014, 03:54:06 PM »
I only really get serious when somebody says something exceedingly stupid or challenges me.

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Serious / Re: Claculus 1 Help
« on: October 12, 2014, 03:46:58 PM »
It's 5.

The answers obviously 5.
More Nazi shit really? First Slash now you?
Hue, I just changed it.

I only did it to be momentarily obnoxious.

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The Flood / Is this nameplate better?
« on: October 12, 2014, 03:46:05 PM »
WELL, IS IT?

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Why does it matter why I (or anyone else)  believe in God?
I enjoy the discourse. If you don't want to explain yourself to me, that's fine. If you advance the ontological argument, however, I'll counter it. If you advance the Holy Cheese Thesis, I'll counter that too. That's the point of discussion.

It also becomes important when people in the Middle East begin blowing themselves up or using people as human shields, when abortion clinics in America are bombed, where stem-cell research is opposed and when euthanasia is opposed.

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You can view others how you like, but I'm telling you my motivations lie in advancing rationalism, secularism and humanism.

If I come across as aggressive, then so be it, I don't really care. I don't, however, have a sense of disdain for people who believe in God.

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The Flood / Meta's nameplate competition
« on: October 12, 2014, 03:32:11 PM »
The winner will have their nameplate featured on my profile.

If it's cool, I'll probably use it.

Themes I enjoy:
- Socialism
- Technology
- Violence
- The Middle Ages

Just fuc­king do something decent.

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Why do atheists talk about God more than religious people?
I don't. I have no issue with you believing in God, so long as you don't use the ontological argument to justify it.

This thread is specifically about Plantinga's argument - not the existence of God.

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I just asked why, and why you're so vocal/offensive about it. Many people here act this way.
How, exactly, am I offensive about it?

As for being vocal; that's just me.

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The Flood / You niqqas can't even handle my nameplate
« on: October 12, 2014, 03:18:54 PM »
much swage

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You hate the concept of it..
I suppose so.

Am I not allowed to?

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Why do so many of you here hate God so much?
I don't understand the charge.

How can I hate something I don't believe in?

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Serious / Why the ontological argument for God's existence is bollocks
« on: October 12, 2014, 03:02:53 PM »
Since the first ontological argument - proposed by Anselm (and then discredited by Gaunilo of Marmourtiers, Hume and Kant) - is defunt, I'll be using the new version of Alvin Plantinga's, which uses modal logic.

Plantinga's argument goes like this:
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A being has maximal excellence in a given possible world W if and only if it is omnipotent, omniscient and wholly good in W; and

A being has maximal greatness if it has maximal excellence in every possible world.

It is possible that there is a being that has maximal greatness. (Premise)

Therefore, possibly, it is necessarily true that an omniscient, omnipotent, and perfectly good being exists.

Therefore, (by axiom S5) it is necessarily true that an omniscient, omnipotent and perfectly good being exists.

Therefore, an omniscient, omnipotent and perfectly good being exists.

First off, let me just mention that Plantinga doesn't actually claim this is proof for the existence of God but merely tries to express the rationality behind such a belief. However, the argument relies on Axiom S5 in modal logic, which is to do with possibility and necessity.

The argument essentially begs the question, as the conclusion is built into the premise as soon as you grant that something is metaphysically necessary and possibly exists. Building the necessity of an entity into modal logic is absurd - you could do the same with certain unproven mathematical problems.

However, if you really want to easily show how this argument is ridiculous, just replace "maximal excellence" with maximal wickedness, "maximal greatness" with maximal evil and "perfectly good" with perfectly bad.

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Serious / Is humour ever in bad taste?
« on: October 12, 2014, 02:49:02 PM »
I can honestly say I've never thought a joke "crosses the line".

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The Flood / ZOINKS
« on: October 12, 2014, 02:47:27 PM »
YouTube


RINGER IN RY RUTT


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The Flood / Re: This made me laugh much more than it should've
« on: October 12, 2014, 02:46:45 PM »
Oh how I love the old cartoons, especially Tom and Jerry.
Much better than Shitty Doo.

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Serious / Re: Claculus 1 Help
« on: October 12, 2014, 02:45:07 PM »
It's 5.

The answers obviously 5.

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Septagon / What're the measurements for nameplates?
« on: October 12, 2014, 02:39:53 PM »
T4R.

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Serious / Re: Court to decide if Chimpanzees get legal rights
« on: October 12, 2014, 02:38:37 PM »
I thought we already worked this out last centu-

*gets sniped*

I get it
dis nugga

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The Flood / This made me laugh much more than it should've
« on: October 12, 2014, 02:34:06 PM »
YouTube

I can't breathe.

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The Flood / Foghorn Leghorn
« on: October 12, 2014, 02:15:00 PM »
YouTube

This is great.

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The Flood / Re: ignore
« on: October 12, 2014, 02:11:39 PM »
I could never ignore you Meta bby. <3
YouTube

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The Flood / Re: Have you noticed this site has a lot of racists?
« on: October 12, 2014, 02:09:47 PM »
I don't think anybody here is genuinely racist.

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Serious / Re: Court to decide if Chimpanzees get legal rights
« on: October 12, 2014, 02:04:15 PM »
Curious as to the merits of this case.
Chimps are ridiculously intelligent and capable of social co-operation, which was previously thought to be a purely human attribute.

Scientists have also begun deciphering what chimp gestures mean, which would seem to indicate they are capable of primitive language.

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Serious / Re: 7 Family Issues Pope Francis Should - But Won't - Discuss
« on: October 12, 2014, 02:00:35 PM »
When I feel like someone is being treated unjustly, sure.
So if the Catholic Church were doing something, demonstrably, unjust and harmful, you'd condemn them?

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Serious / Court to decide if Chimpanzees get legal rights
« on: October 12, 2014, 01:59:44 PM »
From the Independent.
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Tommy, a 26-year-old former circus performer, lives on a caravan park in Gloversville in upstate New York, where he spends his days alone and confined to a shed, watching cartoons and nature programmes on television.

His lawyer, Steven Wise, says this is no kind of life for a human. The problem? Tommy is a chimpanzee.

This week, however, in what is believed to be the first court case of its kind, Mr Wise will argue that Tommy and other chimps are entitled to “legal personhood”. The Boston-based lawyer, who is also the president of animal advocacy group the Nonhuman Rights Project (NhRP), hopes a New York appeals court will rule that Tommy has been unlawfully imprisoned, and ought to be released to live among other chimps at a sanctuary in Florida.

Keeping Tommy alone in a cage is just like keeping a human in solitary confinement, says Mr Wise, who has spent much of his career attempting to extend human rights and protections – such as freedom from captivity – to other intelligent animals.

The NhRP purports to be “the only organisation working toward actual legal rights for members of species other than our own.” Its mission, according to its website, is “to change the common law status of at least some non-human animals from mere ‘things,’ which lack the capacity to possess any legal right, to ‘persons’.”

Tommy’s lawsuit has already been lost in lower courts, but Mr Wise is appealing the case, based on a legal mechanism that was historically used on behalf of slaves. “As a matter of both liberty and equality,” Mr Wise has said, “Tommy should be seen as a person.”

In a 65-page legal brief, the NhRP cites several specialists, such as the British primate expert Jane Goodall, to argue that chimps are “autonomous, self-determined, self-aware, highly intelligent, and emotionally complex beings who suffer from imprisonment.” As such, the animals fit the legal profile of a “person”. “Person is not a synonym for ‘human being’,” the brief explains, “but designates an entity with the capacity for legal rights.”

Should Tommy win his case, it could lead to broader rights not only for chimps and their fellow primates, but also for other intelligent animals such as elephants, orcas and dolphins. Mr Wise told Reuters, “The next argument could be that Tommy... has the right to bodily integrity, so he couldn’t be used in biomedical research.”

Tommy’s owner, Patrick Lavery, has declined to present his case to the appeals court in Albany, but has said previously that the chimp had been on a waiting list for a primate sanctuary for three years, and that his current home was in fact a state-of-the-art $150,000 (£93,400) enclosure. Last year, Mr Lavery told the Albany Times Union that Tommy has “got a lot of enrichment. He’s got colour TV, cable and a stereo... He likes being by himself.”

In December, Mr Wise will present a similar case to an appeals court in Rochester on behalf of Kiko, a chimp who lives in less-than-salubrious conditions in Niagara Falls.

The NhRP is expecting a decision from the appeals court in a few weeks’ time.
Figures crossed; this could be a fantastic breakthrough.

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Serious / Re: 7 Family Issues Pope Francis Should - But Won't - Discuss
« on: October 12, 2014, 01:57:46 PM »
They're doing what they believe is right.
So is ISIS.
Yes? I don't believe what they're doing is right.
So you have some room for condemnation?

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The Flood / Re: >when your Ebola test comes back negative
« on: October 12, 2014, 01:55:49 PM »
Why does his mouth stick out so far?

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Serious / Re: 7 Family Issues Pope Francis Should - But Won't - Discuss
« on: October 12, 2014, 01:52:22 PM »
They're doing what they believe is right.
So is ISIS.

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Serious / Re: 7 Family Issues Pope Francis Should - But Won't - Discuss
« on: October 12, 2014, 01:48:55 PM »
You fail to realize that the entire point of being a priest or nun is to give up worldly desires and live for the faith.
I don't fail to realise that at all.

I just think the whole idea is fuc­king abhorrent.

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Serious / Re: 7 Family Issues Pope Francis Should - But Won't - Discuss
« on: October 12, 2014, 01:22:54 PM »
They're not even related to one another.
Are you seriously trying to tell me that a Church encouraging celibacy among the clergy isn't, in any way at all, linked to the crimes we saw. I'm not even saying they're the proximate cause. I'm saying such encouragement will never provoke positive outcomes, and it certainly contributed to the issue.

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