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The Flood / I agree, get in plug.dj
« on: August 31, 2014, 04:35:41 PM »

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Serious / What is neo-Monetarism?
« on: August 31, 2014, 02:00:55 PM »
YouTube

4.37 to 10.46.

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Serious / NATO divided over Russian aggression
« on: August 31, 2014, 01:01:38 PM »

And it's the Iron Chancellor, as usual.

Basically, the Polish prime minister asked for 10,000 NATO boots to be put permanently on the ground way back in March. Last week, however, Angela Merkel put down the idea of permanent military placements in Eastern Europe while she was in Latvia.

There are hopes that a new action plan, to be revealed at the summit in Wales. Some hawks, however, feel it nothing more than a feat of mental gymnastics that Camnator would be proud of. The problem arises form the Conventional Armed Forces in Europe Treaty, which forbid the establishment of permanent troop deployments, although Russia hasn't been exactly holding up her part of the bargain. Merkel, predictably, thinks we should abide by the treaty.

One "senior NATO official" also ruled out permanent deployments, and instead made reference to "appropriate presence", which is a deliberately open-ended use of language. The recent creation of an expeditionary force/"high readiness brigade", led by British officers and capable of being launched in "hours", will be stationed mainly in Poland and have its HQ on the Baltic coast.

There are a number of other placements in Eastern Europe, including the U.S.'s EAS in Germany, British paratroopers in Poland, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania, and Danish, French and British fighter jets in Poland and Estonia.

This might sound substantial, but the biggest NATO Baltic war-game consisted of 6,000 troops. Russia's war-games around the Baltic and Ukrainian borders have involved 150,000.


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The Flood / HEYYEYAAEYAAAEYAEYAA
« on: August 31, 2014, 12:14:58 AM »
YouTube


I can't believe I've only just watched this properly.

1866
The Flood / When you think something's on you and you have a fit
« on: August 30, 2014, 09:36:43 PM »
Dem strings on dose pajama bottoms

dem muddahfuhkas

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Serious / If you had to pick one label for yourself, what would it be?
« on: August 30, 2014, 06:37:16 PM »
What would be your overall socio-econo-political label? Also, if you feel like differentiating, what labels would you choose for your social, economical and political labels separately.

Overall - Liberal.
Social - Libertarian.
Economic - Neo-monetarist.
Political - Conservative.

Spoiler
I know labels can be restrictive and often aren't particularly helpful or illuminating, I'm just interested to see what people choose when put in that situation.

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Serious / So, I'm talking to a BNP supporter.
« on: August 30, 2014, 04:40:32 PM »
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gypsies are the one ethnic gorup i would genuinely like to see genocided
humanely, I don't want them to suffer, but they need to be wiped from the earth
I'm not even being sarcastic slightly here with gypsies

That's disgusting

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gypsies are sub-human
yeah, gypsies have no place on earth
at the very very least, very least. I would deport every single one, immediately
as in, get the army, round them up, send them to dover
france loves gypsies, they can take care of them

People have accused me of intolerance, despite being quite liberal, but I'm an angel compared to you.

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Seriously though, steralisation for gypsies, that's not even inhumane
They get to live

YES IT IS

What the fuck is wrong with you?



Well fuck me. Fascism lives.

1869
Serious / Oh shit, the economy really did tank in 2008
« on: August 30, 2014, 02:42:56 PM »


Fucking 'ell.

top kek, here's another

1871
Bored as fuck.

Shoot.

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No, i'm not trying to tread on Mr Psy's shoes. I have an amateur interest in psychology.

Choose something personal to me or controversial, too. Nothing straight-up and boring.

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Serious / Whaddya know, competition works
« on: August 29, 2014, 01:27:46 PM »
Who'd a thunk it?!

Big British supermarkets have made billions of pounds in price cuts to compete with discount stores like Aldi and Lidl. It's the first annual drop in consumer spending on food.

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The Flood / IT'S OPEN
« on: August 28, 2014, 07:23:45 PM »
YouTube


ONCE MORE UNTO THE BREACH

1874
Septagon / I can't view the anarchy forum
« on: August 28, 2014, 06:40:07 PM »
please help

1875
Serious / Whisper it, but wages appear to be growing.
« on: August 28, 2014, 04:51:46 PM »
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/07ceb2ea-2c6b-11e4-a0b6-00144feabdc0.html#axzz3Be93cbVL

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Manufacturers are paying their workers more in a tentative sign that wage growth – a missing piece of the UK’s recovery – is starting to pick up in some parts of the economy.

The average annual pay settlement in the sector was 2.6 per cent in the six months to July, up from 2.4 per cent a year ago, according to a survey of 331 companies by manufacturers’ organisation EEF. The proportion of respondents using pay freezes fell to 6.4 per cent from 14.6 per cent a year ago.

Lee Hopley, the EEF’s chief economist, said manufacturing pay growth was ahead of the wider economy, “with signs that the pressure on household budgets, at least for employees in the industry, is starting to unwind”.
Data from Adzuna, an online job search engine, showed a similar trend. Average advertised salaries for manufacturing jobs were at a two-year high on the site in July. The company also reported the first annual increase in the average advertised salary since the recession in 2008-09.


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Serious / Financial Times vs Wall Street Journal
« on: August 28, 2014, 12:23:21 PM »
So, I recently took both newspapers up on their trial subscription offers. Which do you think would be better to stick into full-time? I'm leaning towards the FT, since it generally has a more European perspective on things, whereas the WSJ is clearly aimed at Americans. FT seems to be more reliable, too.

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Serious / Looks like the Arabian Peninsula could see a shift of power
« on: August 28, 2014, 11:40:20 AM »
The Syrian Marshall Plan.
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Most people who look at Syria can’t help but see the tragedy -- the hundreds of thousands of deaths and billions of dollars of damage, including the flattening of the old city of Homs and eastern Aleppo. But some are starting to treat Syria as something else entirely: an investment opportunity. That might sound illogical, but it isn’t entirely without reason. The Syrian economy, having suffered years of ruin, offers early investors the chance to reap significant rewards in the long term.

The Syrian economy is in exceedingly dire straits. The majority of the country’s oil fields, once the economy’s lifeblood (along with agriculture), are under the control of the extremist group Islamic State in Iraq and al-Sham (ISIS), also known as Islamic State (IS), depriving the country of about $2 million a day. Meanwhile, the World Bank has estimated that the cost of rebuilding what has already been destroyed in Syria will be upward of $200 billion. The organization’s 2014 Doing Business report ranks the country last in the category of “dealing with construction permits,” which measures the procedural and financial barriers toward building a basic warehouse. In other words, turning a quick profit may seem like the last thing on Syria watchers’ minds.

But the motivations of Syria’s foreign investors -- consisting mostly of governments and companies from countries that are allied with Syrian President Bashar al-Assad -- are primarily political. They seem to have calculated that investments in Syria now will give them significant leverage in how the country is governed later, even if the investments don’t pay off in a strictly financial sense in the short term. In that, their plans bear a distorted resemblance to the Marshall Plan loans offered by the United States to Europe after World War II.

A more recent (and more local) example of this strategy is Iran’s investment in Lebanon after the Shia political party and militant group Hezbollah’s war with Israel in 2006. The London-based pan-Arab daily Asharq Al-Awsat reported that one day after the ceasefire, Hezbollah established a body to supervise the process of removing iron and cement from the rubble in order to “remelt” it. Companies under Iranian supervision took care of the process and succeeded in extracting scrap materials worth millions of dollars. To highlight Tehran’s leading role in reconstructing Hezbollah-controlled areas, “Iran’s Park” was built in Maroun al-Ras, a village in south Lebanon that overlooks Israel. According to a BBC report, the park is adorned with posters of Iranian leaders, including Husam Khos Navis, the late director of the Iranian reconstruction commission. In political terms, these investments paid off for the Islamic Republic. Media outlets, including the Lebanese newspaper Daily Star, quoted the head of Iran’s elite al-Quds military force, General Qassem Suleimani, declaring (in a 2012 conference on youth and the “Islamic Awakening” in Tehran) that, as a result of such economic interventions, “in south Lebanon and Iraq, the people are under the effect of the Islamic Republic’s way of practice and thinking.” In a speech delivered two years after the war, Hezbollah’s Secretary General Hassan Nasrallah affirmed that he is “proud to be a member in the party of velayat-e faqih [guardianship of the jurist],” a Shia religious system that currently commands deference to Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.

TL;DR: Countries like Iran, China, Russia and North Korea are pouring money and resources into Syria for the political gain. Iran, in particular, is using it to wrest Arabian influence from Sunni nations like Saudi Arabia, and cement ties with Hezbollah and Lebanon.

It seems even more likely when you take the fracturing of the GCC into account since the Arab Spring.

1878

Comms sent this to me on Facebook, asked me to post it.

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Serious / If you happen to be feminine, I'm sacking you all!
« on: August 28, 2014, 10:39:32 AM »
YouTube

lel

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Serious / The best moral argument for libertarianism
« on: August 28, 2014, 10:07:35 AM »
As most of you will probably know, I have very little respect or appreciation for "moral" arguments. Although, I think there is perhaps one (which as a massive consequentialist streak) that you could make in favour of libertarianism. I'm not talking totally laissez-faire Ron Paul libertarianism, either. Just civil libertarianism and sensible policies which won't impede economic growth.

A lot of the time, people often ask why economic growth and efficiency is so important; why should it matter more than something else? And it's a difficult question to answer, although it seems - without being able to articulate it - that you're always going to want strong economic growth.

Well, it'd seem that all we need do is agree that politics is about making the most conducive decisions to human happiness and development. So, what does this have to do with an individualist, liberal society?

Elliot Turiel and Lawrence Kohlberg's - two of the earliest students of moral psychology - both posited that the nativist approach and the empirical approach were wrong. They suggested a rationalist explanation, that children will innately develop a sense of moral behaviour. Richard Shweder, however, came along with some evidence and threw it all up in the air.

A study conducted in Orissa, India, by Shweder, showed that Indians were more moralising (they stated that actions which simply violated social conventions were actually immoral; universally wrong). The main reason for this, Shweder said, was that India had a much more sociocentric culture.

Jonathan Haidt came along a few years later and conducted a similar study within both America and Brazil. He found, in both countries, that the less educated and more destitute had a higher propensity to be sociocentric and thus moralise more (like claiming that cutting up the American flag is universally wrong). Whereas the more educated and more prosperous people were more individualist, and permissive of actions which violated social convention, but didn't harm anyone.

Sociocentrism, as a means of organising society, has a very ugly history ranging from Nazi Germany to Soviet Russia. It is a very tribalist and intolerant means of organisation and, while maintaining higher internal cohesion, can lead to fractures and crimes against humanity on a considerable level.

It seems prudent, therefore, to offer a system whereby individuals are respected, economic prosperity is considered essential and liberty is guaranteed, while responsibility is enforced.

/ramble

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The Flood / Worst thing you've ever done to a stranger?
« on: August 27, 2014, 05:34:26 PM »
When I used to work home improvement with my dad, we visited this guy's house. He had a 15 year old daughter who wasn't there.

I fapped in her shoe.

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The Flood / I have been looking for a very special little girl
« on: August 27, 2014, 03:21:47 PM »
 A fucked up, needy little girl. Eager to please, to submit, to succumb to perversion. If you are lucky, then you are not her. If you are lucky, then you were not born with that peculiar engine that drives one to self-destruction. If you are lucky, you do not want to give up control over your life, and become a man’s whore. I am deeply sorry for what I will do to you. But I will still do it. Make no mistake, I want a dog. A slavish, sopping wet whore who lives to please me. Who clings, needs. Cries when I leave. I want to fucking ruin you so you are incapable of functioning without me. A clingy, addicted mess. It is hard to convey in words the deep perversion I want to visit on you. How hard I am, thinking about you crawling to me, ass in the air, tongue out, with love in your eyes. My loving little bitch in heat. If you want this, you will need kik or skype and and the willingness to serve me. Contact me on kik, from there message me "I am your loving slut" and we will begin. Any girl is welcome.

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The Flood / Worst thing you've ever done to a family member?
« on: August 27, 2014, 02:37:36 PM »
I once fapped in my grandma's milk.

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The Flood / Do you like my new avatar?
« on: August 27, 2014, 12:24:50 PM »
Don't deny it.

It turns you on.

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So, Bernanke's on record saying the 2008 financial crisis was worse than any other financial crisis in history. Including the one of '29. Obviously, you have to ask why it didn't turn into a second depression. Well, essentially, Milton Friedman was right. The central banks of the world (minus the ECB >.>) adopted regimes of expansionary monetary policy, whereas the Fed in '29 performed adopted a sharp contractionary policy. Essentially, monetary stimulus was the only thing which kept us from a depression since no fiscal stimulus was really performed.

Can we adopt a proper monetary regime now and stop having recessions and bailouts? Or at the very least put fiscal stimulus under central bank control.


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It emerged that there had been three previous reports into the problem which had been suppressed or ignored by officials, either because they did not like or did not believe the findings.

Tuesday’s report concluded that by far the majority of perpetrators were Asian men, and said council officials had been unwilling to address the issue for fear of being labelled racist.

I wonder what was being overlooked. Riding a bike without a helmet or something, because they were wearing a turban, maybe? Nothing to get in a twist about, I'm sure.

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More than 1,400 children were sexually abused during a period of over 16 years by gangs of paedophiles after police and council bosses turned a blind eye for fear of being labelled racist, a damning report has concluded.
Senior officials were responsible for “blatant” failures that saw victims, some as young as 11, being treated with contempt and categorised as being “out of control” or simply ignored when they asked for help.

In some cases, parents who tried to rescue their children from abusers were themselves arrested. Police officers even dismissed the rape of children by saying that sex had been consensual.

Downing Street on Tuesday night described the failure to halt the abuse in Rotherham, South Yorkshire, as “appalling”.

Following the publication of the report, the leader of Rotherham council, Roger Stone, resigned, but no other council employees will face disciplinary proceedings after it was claimed that there was not enough evidence to take action.

Or the mass rape of children. Yeah, that works too.

Sigh
Fuck this country.

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Brits who travel to Iraq or Syria will be arrested and presumed guilty on charges of terrorism.
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We also need to be far more effective in preventing British and other foreigners from getting out there…We need to make it crystal clear that you will be arrested if you go out to Syria or Iraq without a good reason. At present the police are finding it very difficult to stop people from simply flying out via Germany, crossing the border, doing their ghastly jihadi tourism, and coming back. The police can and do interview the returnees, but it is hard to press charges without evidence. The law needs a swift and minor change so that there is a “rebuttable presumption” that all those visiting war areas without notifying the authorities have done so for a terrorist purpose.

Yeah, fuck you habeas corpus.

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Serious / RBS to pay £15m fine over mortgage selling
« on: August 27, 2014, 12:13:45 AM »
For fuck sake.

I know it's small-fry in the world of finance, but it was poorly-thought out regulation which pushed banks into selling mortgages in the first place.

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Not that we didn't already know.
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Who pays corporate income taxes? Just one thing’s for sure: it’s not corporations.

This is because, as Mitt Romney famously put it, “corporations are people, my friend.” They also sell to people, buy from people, and are owned by people. Yes, sometimes you have to dig through layers of other corporations, pension funds, foundations, and the like to get to these people. But they’re there somewhere, trying to avoid getting smacked by corporate taxes.

In econospeak, where the burden lands is called tax incidence. “The cardinal rule of incidence analysis,” UC Berkeley economist Alan Auerbach once said, “is you do not talk about incidence analysis.”  Actually, no, he didn’t say that — although this does seem to be the rule that most journalists, politicians, corporate executives, and even economists writing for mainstream audiences follow. What Auerbach did write in 2005 was that “the cardinal rule of incidence analysis” is “that only individuals can bear the burden of taxation and that all tax burdens should be traced back to individuals.”

In the case of the corporate income tax, as the Harvard Business School’s Mihir Desai put it in an interview I recently did with him and his HBS colleague Bill George, “that tax is going to be borne by shareholders, workers, or customers.”

For a long time it was thought the owners paid the tax. That belief can be traced largely to a classic 1962 theoretical analysis by economist Arnold Harberger, who concluded that owners of capital — not just a corporation’s shareholders but anybody who owned some bonds, a house, whatever — bore almost all the burden of corporate income taxes in the U.S.

Harberger saw this as a bad thing. By taking money away from capital owners, the corporate income tax was depressing investment and distorting the economy. But for those more concerned with the distributional effects of taxation, Harberger’s model at least showed the burden landing on people who were wealthier than average.

His theoretical model, however, assumed a closed economy, one in which capital couldn’t flee to other countries and consumers couldn’t buy foreign products. As the world’s economies became more intertwined in recent decades, economists — Harberger among them — began constructing open-economy models that showed workers bearing a larger share of the burden.

This makes intuitive sense. If a country allows free capital flows and free trade and has a corporate tax rate much higher than that of its neighbors, investors can choose to buy shares in companies elsewhere that face a lower tax, and corporate management can choose to move operations abroad. Consumers, meanwhile, can buy from foreign suppliers. By comparison, workers are pretty immobile. It’s hard for them to switch employers, let alone countries. So the tax lands on them, in the form of lower wages and/or skimpier benefits. And as those at the top of today’s corporate hierarchies seem to have done a pretty great job of keeping their paychecks from being adversely affected, the impact is presumably greatest on those farther down in the organization.

That’s the theory, at least. These models are, as Jennifer Gravelle of the Congressional Budget Office pointed out in a 2010 summary of recent theoretical work, extremely sensitive to how open an economy is and how sensitive people are to incentives. Tweak the assumptions just a little, and you can get a very different result.

So in the past few years there’s been a determined attempt to answer the question empirically, with a flurry of new regression studies that dig through data across countries, states, or even 13,000 German communities to suss out where businesses’ tax burden lands. Gravelle has a 2011 summary of this work, and her chief conclusions are that the results are all over the place and the most dramatic ones just aren’t credible. But most of these studies do show some significant chunk of the corporate tax burden landing on workers, which is perhaps not yet conclusive but is really interesting.

Most public discussions of corporate taxes in the U.S., however, still ignore the possibility that workers might actually be the ones bearing the burden. Perhaps this is because other public figures really want to avoid sounding like Mitt Romney. Perhaps tax incidence is just too difficult a concept for non-economists to get their heads around (although I’m not an economist and it seems pretty straightforward to me). Perhaps it’s that the evidence is still so mixed (although that hasn’t stopped economic arguments with far less empirical and theoretical backup from gaining currency in the political arena). Perhaps it’s that the corporate executives who lobby for lower tax rates don’t quite have the chutzpah to argue that this could result in higher wages. Or perhaps it’s just that, if corporations pay lower taxes, individuals have to pick up the slack. And even if you understand tax incidence perfectly well, a direct tax is still more noticeable than an indirect one.

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Fuck my life.

I knew it'd get to me eventually.

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