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Serious / Capitalism won't last forever
« on: September 23, 2014, 01:11:32 PM »
Most of you probably know me now as the fairly conservative - at least economically - guy. While I agree that everybody should be sceptical of social democracy and the capacity for governments or technocrats to get things right, and that State meddling tends to be harmful, one thing is clear; capitalism can't last forever.

I'm going to post a video by CGP Grey which highlights the fundamental point here: technological growth.
YouTube

TL;DW All throughout human history, people have specialised and divided in their labour - a trend which has, since Adam Smith, been the fundamental driving force of prosperity and the creation of new technologies has accelerated the trend. As mechanical muscles replace labour, so too will mechanical minds replace mental labour.

CGP Grey introduces us to Baxter, an incredibly intelligent, general purpose robot that could potentially replace a lot of unskilled labour.Also, there's the giant network of robots coming for barristas, and this robot remembers who you are and how you like your coffee. The real technological change isn't in the expensive new stuff, but the stuff of yesteryear getting cheaper and cheaper. Mechanical minds is going to push human labour out of the economy.

As an example, the automation of transportation (on the roads, inside factories or in pit mines) is here and coming rapidly. The transportation industry also employs 3.6 million people in the U.S. alone. Worldwide, that's about 70 million jobs - minimum. The immediate reaction is to claim that this will only, largely, effect unskilled labour. Software bots could replace administrative and white-collar workers, potentially sooner as they are much less expensive and much more efficient than physical robots.

The unemployment rate during the Great Depression was 25%, the list - according to CGP Grey - of the most vulnerable jobs in the U.S. amounts to 45%.


Essentially, the question is one of what to do when massive social instability is caused by unemployment, despite the fact that we will be more resource- and technology-abundant than ever before. I don't know when this will happen, and I'm sceptical it'll happen as soon as CGP seems to imply, but I'm certain it'll at least begin within my lifetime.

Now, I don't know what to do. It's clear that capitalism simply cannot last, and I wouldn't be opposed to market socialism if it weren't for the fact that human labour will become redundant. I don't know whether a market will come along to determine the supply/demand for certain goods, nor do I know how that'd be calculated, but it's clear that humanity - at some point in time; likely soon - is going to face a technological and economic paradigm shift.

It's probably best summed up by this non-scientific, purely symbolic graph:


By January 2015, driverless cars are going to be trialed in three cities in the U.K. This sort of automation will likely not be as significant as the techno-optimists would hope, but it's significant enough and soon enough to cause worry. Whatever the outcome, it's quite clear that with technological evolution, our economic paradigm is going to be made pointless.

And I have no idea what to replace it with.


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Serious / Two lies and a truth (srs edition)
« on: September 23, 2014, 09:03:20 AM »
Post three statements about yourself, two of which are lies, and all of them have to be about a "serious" topic like religion or politics. Make them controversial/surprising, and the rest of us will try and guess which one it is.

1. I think socialism is one of the greatest movements invented by mankind.
2. I think civil society could exist without a State.
3. I think religion is always bad, all of the time.

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Mmmm.

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The Flood / Do we have any mods besides Kiyo, Slash and Chronic?
« on: September 21, 2014, 09:16:04 PM »
Cheat and Fuknurget don't count.

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The Flood / Slash and Kiyo walk into a bar
« on: September 21, 2014, 09:09:49 PM »
Which one of them walks out alive at the end of the night?


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The Flood / Right, I'm calling out Decimator Omega
« on: September 21, 2014, 08:53:26 PM »
I don't want this to be a thread which turns into a shitstorm, and if a mod wants to lock it then fine, but Deci has blocked my PMs.

Basically, in a Srs thread, Deci was calling for the collective action of males against violence towards women. Far enough, I challenged him and then for some reason he brought up an instance a year ago where I called him a horrible person for saying a mentally ill woman should be executed for killing a kitten.

The thread got derailed and locked. Now, Deci is just posting in response to me this video essentially expressing the fact that he isn't sorry and doesn't give a fuck, even going insofar as to PM me and then block my PMs afterwards.

I'm here to ask him to take a step back, look at what he's wasting his time doing and respectfully asking him to stop.

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Serious / Are mentally ill people morally responsible?
« on: September 21, 2014, 08:18:40 PM »
Let's assume that a psychotic depressive woman is suffering from a psychotic break and, in her delusion, microwaves a kitten.

A tragedy, of course, but is she morally culpable.

Spoiler
No, of course she fucking isn't.

Although, I actually want this to be a serious-enough off-shoot of the moral responsibilities of mentally ill people in general. From paranoids to (if you consider them ill) psychopaths.


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The Flood / Anti-natalist came up to me on my porch
« on: September 21, 2014, 07:05:56 PM »
So I was sitting out on my porch about 2 hours ago and an anti-natalist just walked up to me and crawled all over me. It couldn't be more than 19 years old. I fed it some Youtube videos and looked around for it's immoral mother. After waiting around no mother showed, which was weird because immoral moms are usually trying to find their children in order to torture them. There were a couple other anti-natalists wishing they hadn't been born too. All I can assume is that the anti-natalists finally snapped and made their parents pay for their sins against humanity.

The anti-natalist is now lecturing my 3-year-old son about how evil I am, reciting the work of Arthur Schopenhauer practically Verbatim. I think I might keep him, as I've raised anti-natalists before. However, I could also let him loose and possibly let the suffering of the world get to him. I also have an efilist that came out to say "Hi" when it came up to me and they got along well.

What should I do Flood?

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The Flood / QQ Meta
« on: September 21, 2014, 06:26:40 PM »
lol

1720
Serious / Why do we gaol people who commit victimless crimes?
« on: September 21, 2014, 04:36:38 PM »
I consider myself a proponent of the prison abolition movement, but this really isn't a radical sentiment. Imprisoning those who commit victimless crimes is patently regressive.

Why the fuck does it still go on?

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Serious / The more things change, the more they stay the same
« on: September 21, 2014, 03:29:20 PM »
Who am I referencing here?

"godless, free loving, subversive, treasonous, indecent, dirty, and with menacing hairstyles."

No, it's not the hippie counterculture movement of the '60s.

Spoiler
It's the Russian Nihilist counterculture movement of the 1860s.

1722
Serious / People who don't believe in evolution are not worth talking to
« on: September 21, 2014, 02:23:13 PM »
I voted for option 1.

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The Flood / Just be yourself!
« on: September 21, 2014, 08:43:03 AM »
YouTube


Now link hands and skip around the equator in the name of world peace.

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Serious / The philosophy of donuts
« on: September 21, 2014, 08:11:00 AM »
Heraclitus: "You can't eat the same donut twice".
Plato: "All donuts share in ideal 'donut-ness'".
Aristotle: "A donut contains its donut-ness".
Descartes: "A donut's hole proves the existence of a donut".
Locke: "Donuts taste good to me".
Hume: "Donuts exist because I imagine donuts".
Kant: "A donut is equal to my total experience of donuts".
Mill: "Donuts are good if they make people happy".
Kierkegaard: "I have faith that donuts are delicious".
Marx: "Everybody deserves donuts".
Nietzsche: "Stop at nothing to get your donuts".
Wittgenstein: "Fried pastry, zero, parking lot spin, spare tyre".
Beauvoir: "Patriarchy is responsible for the shape of the donut".

I hope this helps you understand philosophy better.

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Serious / The Geopolitics of World War Three
« on: September 21, 2014, 07:20:40 AM »
YouTube


IBS HABBENIN

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The Flood / Goddamn, driving is such a fucking chore
« on: September 21, 2014, 07:12:02 AM »
>driving around on an estate
>guy fucking tailgating
>coming up to a roundabout
>is in third
>brakes slightly
>down to second
>guy honks horn at me for braking
>apparently could've run into the back of me
>fucking tailgaters

Cunts should be shot.

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Serious / Religion, Morality and the Hitchens Test
« on: September 20, 2014, 05:09:57 PM »
Quote
Name me an ethical statement made or an action performed by a believer that could not have been made or performed by a non-believer [. . . ] think of a wicked thing said, or an evil thing done, by a person of faith in the name of faith and no one would have a second of hesitation.

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The Flood / Who do you hate most here?
« on: September 20, 2014, 04:04:16 PM »

Spoiler
inb4 pussies who don't hate anyone

I hate Door for being an uber-fage. I'm glad he's dead.

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Prior to this proclamation, the Church either actively condemned or ignored the Jews, even during and after the Holocaust.
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True, the Jewish authorities and those who followed their lead pressed for the death of Christ; still, what happened in His passion cannot be charged against all the Jews, without distinction, then alive, nor against the Jews of today.

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The Flood / QUICK FLOOD; GIRL PROBLEM
« on: September 20, 2014, 03:11:14 PM »
I need to get up early tomorrow and have to finish a history essay tonight. An attractive and, I think, drunk girl from college is texting me, wanting me to come out and meet her and her friends.

What do?

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The Flood / Crisis averted
« on: September 20, 2014, 04:03:10 AM »
Nothing to see here >.>

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The Flood / Fuckin' nightmares man
« on: September 19, 2014, 10:26:18 PM »
It's fucking 4.25am and I ain't going back to sleep. So, what's happening?

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The Flood / Just got back from a nice Indian restaurant
« on: September 19, 2014, 04:01:18 PM »
There was about 26 of us celebrating a mate's 18th.

Yeah, was fun.

Anybody else do anything interesting?

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The Flood / WRONG HOLE! WRONG HOLE!
« on: September 19, 2014, 10:56:25 AM »
YouTube

Fucking gingers.

Spoiler
I love the cats eyes just as he puts it in.

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The Flood / What do you call it when a mod robs a jewelry store?
« on: September 18, 2014, 04:26:00 PM »
A slash-and-grab.


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The Flood / Damnit Slash, why you gotta ruin the fun?
« on: September 18, 2014, 04:19:12 PM »

Spoiler
That's Slash when he locks another thread.
Spoiler
inb4lock

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Currently reading a book for history about Russia. Reading through the reign of Alexander III sort of puts into perspective just how much the Jews have been systematically persecuted throughout history.

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The Flood / >mfw a girl with a fantastic ass walks past
« on: September 18, 2014, 03:43:21 PM »
>and she aint single


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