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« on: August 30, 2015, 01:40:47 PM »
Now if only Groot did the same...
lol keep dreaming The mods don't even know my real IP afaik
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« on: August 29, 2015, 04:35:42 PM »
Why isn't there a mod from Bnet on the staff?
Because nobody likes the mods from Bnet.
Oh, and get off the Foman alt Cheat. We know it's you.
Its pretty funny how stupid you really are.
Its pretty funny how unoriginal you are.
If you still think I'm actually Cheat, then I'm afraid I've got some bad news for ya.
I don't really care to be honest. For all I know you're probably fucking groot.
>thinking I'm that retarded gimmick poster Groot
Come on Deci, you're smarter than this.
what the fuck did you say about me you little bitch?
I said you're a retarded gimmick poster. I already have to deal with enough of you faggots on Bnet. I'd hate to see this place turning into a gimmick cesspool.
says the fake foman account
kill yourself
Says the fag that puts "I am Groot" in every fucking thread, offering no discussion value at all to the topic or other posts in the thread.
Go fuck yourself then after that, kill yourself.
Does it look like im doing that gimmick thing? hur durr don't get hit by a bus (or do; whatever)
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« on: August 29, 2015, 04:24:27 PM »
Why isn't there a mod from Bnet on the staff?
Because nobody likes the mods from Bnet.
Oh, and get off the Foman alt Cheat. We know it's you.
Its pretty funny how stupid you really are.
Its pretty funny how unoriginal you are.
If you still think I'm actually Cheat, then I'm afraid I've got some bad news for ya.
I don't really care to be honest. For all I know you're probably fucking groot.
>thinking I'm that retarded gimmick poster Groot
Come on Deci, you're smarter than this.
what the fuck did you say about me you little bitch?
I said you're a retarded gimmick poster. I already have to deal with enough of you faggots on Bnet. I'd hate to see this place turning into a gimmick cesspool.
says the fake foman account kill yourself
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« on: August 29, 2015, 04:14:45 PM »
Why isn't there a mod from Bnet on the staff?
Because nobody likes the mods from Bnet.
Oh, and get off the Foman alt Cheat. We know it's you.
Its pretty funny how stupid you really are.
Its pretty funny how unoriginal you are.
If you still think I'm actually Cheat, then I'm afraid I've got some bad news for ya.
I don't really care to be honest. For all I know you're probably fucking groot.
>thinking I'm that retarded gimmick poster Groot
Come on Deci, you're smarter than this.
what the fuck did you say about me you little bitch?
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« on: August 28, 2015, 06:43:56 PM »
its funny how you can't stop sperging out over and over again but I dont hate you.
Okay Secondclass
gee just because he and I teamed up for the lolz once doesnt mean we're 4real the same person
Okay Secondclass
Sure thing, Armen.
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« on: August 28, 2015, 06:41:54 PM »
They should also have white trains and black/asian/mexican/whatever trains. It would be fair because it's separate but equal.
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« on: August 28, 2015, 06:33:22 PM »
its funny how you can't stop sperging out over and over again but I dont hate you.
Okay Secondclass
gee just because he and I teamed up for the lolz once doesnt mean we're 4real the same person
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« on: August 28, 2015, 06:31:25 PM »
A deep desire to diddle the family dog while wearing a fursuit.
yeah but you like mlp
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« on: August 28, 2015, 06:17:30 PM »
its funny how you can't stop sperging out over and over again but I dont hate you.
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« on: August 28, 2015, 01:22:20 AM »
Deci you've always freaked out when someone calls you gay or threatens your masculinity.
Same reason as everything else, mildly annoyed.
And I won't lie, having your masculinity discredited actually does hurt. Remember that one time Isara said that I actually look more of a man with that fucking mask than my actual face?
Yeah.... That stung.
But... I got over it.
Who cares? As if masculinity is even something to be proud of...
Like I said, I got over it.
But I mean why did it sting in the first place
It just did. This is when I was still single.
Single has nothing to do with it.
Just trying to figure out why your masculinity/sexuality is such a trigger for you
Because he's GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY
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« on: August 04, 2015, 05:37:32 PM »
dj.plug is where I get my Korra fix.
I go there and then I tend to get distracted and space out pretty bad there.... like a lot more than I usually do guyse.
korra is not a nice person
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« on: August 02, 2015, 11:36:33 PM »
I am Groot.
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« on: July 30, 2015, 08:42:05 PM »
Post more interesting threads then.
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« on: July 29, 2015, 02:47:38 PM »
First point - Try to clean it up in here, you can hold the discussion without flaming each other.
Second (relating to the discussion itself)
It's a disorder rather than a disease, because it's an intrinsic issue that the person has rather than an externally afflicted one. So a cure in the traditional sense is unlikely to ever exist, you can't cure autism for example. You can find ways to treat it and mitigate the symptoms though, to lessen the suffering the person has as a result of the condition and helping them to live a happier/successful life.
If someone is dysphoric and it isn't a temporary mindset, they've been seeing a therapist for a length of time with no notable headway in either direction and they are on the whole unhappy with their life as a male/female, then the remaining options for treatment dwindle down to reassignment.
At the present that is the only alternative treatment and for some people it can work well and they do go on to live a happier life, for others it isn't as successful but that can be down to other comorbid problems rather than just because it flat out doesn't work.
The appalling suicide rates I believe are down to the social issues and comorbid disorders rather than an inherent problem with the dysphoria. The best way to compare that is to look across cultures at how transgenderism is treated, damn near universally it is reviled and stigmatised but in the places that it isn't (somewhere in polynesia iirc was the example) whodathunkit that they live happy lives and don't end up just flat out killing themselves.
So who knows, one day we might find a magic pill cure for it which switches the mind to suit the body without any of the issues that past attempts to do this have had. Until then, the mind is the more valuable half of a human. The fleshy vessel that houses it is secondary to that person's existence. Cosmetic changes to it that make the mind happier shouldn't be an issue to anyone other than the person having those changes, but given that humans are the nosiest creatures on the planet when it comes to shoving their interests into other people's shit it's hardly all that surprising.
I never understood why trans people had to go to a therapist before treatment even before informed consent was available. I mean, if someone is unsure and needs counseling, then it makes sense, but it just seems like an unnessisary roadblock for people who don't want/need therapy.
Since you're an almost-psychologist, can you explain?
It's my understanding that it comes down to being a safeguard to make sure that people don't undergo an irreversible form of surgery/change without it being established beforehand that it is the best course of action.
For those who simply want to change, they aren't unsure and are otherwise psychologically healthy I imagine it would be more of a formality than a specific 'You must have treatment before we let you have surgery' type of deal <.<
If you can imagine the situation where someone who thought they were sure underwent the reassignment and then a year or so later realised it wasn't what they really wanted, and a psych/therapist could have picked up on that... it'd be a pretty unpleasant predicament for them to find themselves in.
It still comes across as unnecessary to me. I'd completely get if therapy was strongly recommended or if the doctor/surgeon/whatever required a consultation before treatment, but required therapy is kind of extreme, not to mention how it turns the therapist into a gatekeeper.
It's a talked about issue in the Trans community and "gatekeeping" is the term used funny enough. So many clinics are more concerned about preventing cis people from mistakenly getting treatment that they disrupt Trans people's transition. Right now I'm debating whether or not to pursue informed consent because the clinic I'm trying right now refuses to give me a proper timeline and is basically putting me on indefinite loop of appointments.
Oh I know. I had to go DIY because there were no informed consent clinics around here and I didn't want to put up with therapy. It's kind of annoying.
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« on: July 29, 2015, 01:19:42 PM »
First point - Try to clean it up in here, you can hold the discussion without flaming each other.
Second (relating to the discussion itself)
It's a disorder rather than a disease, because it's an intrinsic issue that the person has rather than an externally afflicted one. So a cure in the traditional sense is unlikely to ever exist, you can't cure autism for example. You can find ways to treat it and mitigate the symptoms though, to lessen the suffering the person has as a result of the condition and helping them to live a happier/successful life.
If someone is dysphoric and it isn't a temporary mindset, they've been seeing a therapist for a length of time with no notable headway in either direction and they are on the whole unhappy with their life as a male/female, then the remaining options for treatment dwindle down to reassignment.
At the present that is the only alternative treatment and for some people it can work well and they do go on to live a happier life, for others it isn't as successful but that can be down to other comorbid problems rather than just because it flat out doesn't work.
The appalling suicide rates I believe are down to the social issues and comorbid disorders rather than an inherent problem with the dysphoria. The best way to compare that is to look across cultures at how transgenderism is treated, damn near universally it is reviled and stigmatised but in the places that it isn't (somewhere in polynesia iirc was the example) whodathunkit that they live happy lives and don't end up just flat out killing themselves.
So who knows, one day we might find a magic pill cure for it which switches the mind to suit the body without any of the issues that past attempts to do this have had. Until then, the mind is the more valuable half of a human. The fleshy vessel that houses it is secondary to that person's existence. Cosmetic changes to it that make the mind happier shouldn't be an issue to anyone other than the person having those changes, but given that humans are the nosiest creatures on the planet when it comes to shoving their interests into other people's shit it's hardly all that surprising.
I never understood why trans people had to go to a therapist before treatment even before informed consent was available. I mean, if someone is unsure and needs counseling, then it makes sense, but it just seems like an unnessisary roadblock for people who don't want/need therapy.
Since you're an almost-psychologist, can you explain?
It's my understanding that it comes down to being a safeguard to make sure that people don't undergo an irreversible form of surgery/change without it being established beforehand that it is the best course of action.
For those who simply want to change, they aren't unsure and are otherwise psychologically healthy I imagine it would be more of a formality than a specific 'You must have treatment before we let you have surgery' type of deal <.<
If you can imagine the situation where someone who thought they were sure underwent the reassignment and then a year or so later realised it wasn't what they really wanted, and a psych/therapist could have picked up on that... it'd be a pretty unpleasant predicament for them to find themselves in.
It still comes across as unnecessary to me. I'd completely get if therapy was strongly recommended or if the doctor/surgeon/whatever required a consultation before treatment, but required therapy is kind of extreme, not to mention how it turns the therapist into a gatekeeper.
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« on: July 29, 2015, 12:06:05 PM »
First point - Try to clean it up in here, you can hold the discussion without flaming each other.
Second (relating to the discussion itself)
It's a disorder rather than a disease, because it's an intrinsic issue that the person has rather than an externally afflicted one. So a cure in the traditional sense is unlikely to ever exist, you can't cure autism for example. You can find ways to treat it and mitigate the symptoms though, to lessen the suffering the person has as a result of the condition and helping them to live a happier/successful life.
If someone is dysphoric and it isn't a temporary mindset, they've been seeing a therapist for a length of time with no notable headway in either direction and they are on the whole unhappy with their life as a male/female, then the remaining options for treatment dwindle down to reassignment.
At the present that is the only alternative treatment and for some people it can work well and they do go on to live a happier life, for others it isn't as successful but that can be down to other comorbid problems rather than just because it flat out doesn't work.
The appalling suicide rates I believe are down to the social issues and comorbid disorders rather than an inherent problem with the dysphoria. The best way to compare that is to look across cultures at how transgenderism is treated, damn near universally it is reviled and stigmatised but in the places that it isn't (somewhere in polynesia iirc was the example) whodathunkit that they live happy lives and don't end up just flat out killing themselves.
So who knows, one day we might find a magic pill cure for it which switches the mind to suit the body without any of the issues that past attempts to do this have had. Until then, the mind is the more valuable half of a human. The fleshy vessel that houses it is secondary to that person's existence. Cosmetic changes to it that make the mind happier shouldn't be an issue to anyone other than the person having those changes, but given that humans are the nosiest creatures on the planet when it comes to shoving their interests into other people's shit it's hardly all that surprising.
I never understood why trans people had to go to a therapist before treatment even before informed consent was available. I mean, if someone is unsure and needs counseling, then it makes sense, but it just seems like an unnessisary roadblock for people who don't want/need therapy. Since you're an almost-psychologist, can you explain?
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« on: July 28, 2015, 11:38:37 PM »
Some folks feel like they've been born in the wrong body--I feel like I was born in the wrong universe. A godawful shitstain of a universe where everyone who inhabits it remains glibly and complacently content with nearly every aspect of it. They contribute nothing and they take everything. And I never asked to be here.
i haven't been professionally diagnosed yet, but a number of users have taken notice--i'm depressed as fuck
though, chances are, there's probably something wrong with you if you're not
Ignorance is bliss.
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« on: July 26, 2015, 02:30:21 PM »
oh lawdy this bread blew up
I wasn't really referring to the issue of transgenderism in my OP any more than I was commentating on the deluge of hypocrisy amongst the panel, and pretty much the rest of the media. If you guys want to talk about transgenderism, this thread wasn't intended for that kind of discussion.
Dont try to fight it, this forum cant help itself when it comes to arguing about trans people.
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« on: July 19, 2015, 11:13:11 PM »
Rocket
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« on: July 02, 2015, 03:29:24 PM »
Didn't Decimator Omega make a script like this? Or am i thinking of someone else?
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« on: June 19, 2015, 07:09:40 PM »
I hate people who use alts
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« on: June 17, 2015, 10:38:51 PM »
I hate people who use alts
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« on: June 10, 2015, 02:48:42 PM »
Are you really comparing someone who changed their entire gender to someone who got a nose job? That was probably a poor comparison, yeah.
Gender is FAR more meaningless and inconsequential than the shape of your nose.
No. They're both cases of Body Dysmorphic Disorder.
http://roygbiv.jezebel.com/stop-confusing-gender-dysphoria-with-body-dysmorphia-al-1583049920
http://www.hemingways.org/GIDinfo/BDD.htm
Basically, one can be pretty much cured by surgery/treatment/whatever and the other cannot.
>jezebel
I'd like a more unbiased source, if you will. Gender Dysmorphia is a subset of BDD; the only difference being that Gender Dysmorphia has to do with sex features.
Source? BDD doesn't respond to treatment like gender dysphoria does, from anything I could look up.
Here's the article on the DSM-V classification of Transsexualism and GID
I redacted my statement about it being a subset of BDD; that was based on my knowledge of DSM-IV. However, the "gateway" process of transitioning includes psychological therapy that has the capability to fix GID in some percentage of cases. Not all cases of GID end with undergoing transition. This is because not all cases are inherent unto themselves; they can be caused by anxiety disorders, depression, OCD, et cetera.
That's not always true (except for surgery). The informed consent model is kind of new and sort of sparse, but basically one can go to one of these clinics, sign that you understand what hormones will do, and then you get a prescription.
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« on: June 10, 2015, 02:40:05 PM »
Are you really comparing someone who changed their entire gender to someone who got a nose job? That was probably a poor comparison, yeah.
Gender is FAR more meaningless and inconsequential than the shape of your nose.
No. They're both cases of Body Dysmorphic Disorder.
http://roygbiv.jezebel.com/stop-confusing-gender-dysphoria-with-body-dysmorphia-al-1583049920
http://www.hemingways.org/GIDinfo/BDD.htm
Basically, one can be pretty much cured by surgery/treatment/whatever and the other cannot.
>jezebel
I'd like a more unbiased source, if you will. Gender Dysmorphia is a subset of BDD; the only difference being that Gender Dysmorphia has to do with sex features.
Source? BDD doesn't respond to treatment like gender dysphoria does, from anything I could look up.
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« on: June 10, 2015, 02:27:20 PM »
Well, fuck, here we go again.
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« on: June 07, 2015, 05:42:57 PM »
lol dustin is steaming mad
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« on: June 06, 2015, 02:34:48 PM »
I wouldn't be surprised.
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« on: June 05, 2015, 05:32:26 PM »
If you could influence gender, then that is what would be done with trans people instead of changing their bodies. But it doesn't really work, which is why it doesn't happen.
Sorry for making you all upsettable. i mean influence in the sense that that's what i believe causes people to become dysphoric in the first place
i don't believe it's genetic
i could be wrong, but that's just what i always believed
you didn't make me upsettable, i just AM upsettable, so i should be sorry
it just really feels like i'm repeating myself constantly in this thread, which is frustrating when i have to do it for the people who are on my side of the issue
So in your ideal world, how would everyone behave and how would this all work in regard to trans people and transitioning? I guess I'm still not completely understanding your thoughts on this.
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« on: June 05, 2015, 04:26:43 PM »
No, but men are inherently more competitive than women on the average. There you go, "on the average". To me, words like "inherent" and "on the average" are incompatible. It's either inherent, or it isn't. So, either you mean that all men are inherently more competitive than women, or you don't--but you can't muddy that water.
Otherwise, it's no longer an inherent, see?
You need to provide an example. I've provided one, at least. I don't know exactly what you want. Do you want evidence to suggest that you can influence gender? That should be easy enough.
If you could influence gender, then that is what would be done with trans people instead of changing their bodies. But it doesn't really work, which is why it doesn't happen. Sorry for making you all upsettable.
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