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« on: April 28, 2015, 03:49:44 PM »
Though many logical proofs are most readily accomplished by contradiction (not synthetic), they're also accomplished using induction
Induction, however, is imperfect. Always is, and always will be. IIRC, Kant uses the example of the Second Law of Thermodynamics as an example of such a proposition, and yet I think it's unfair to categorise this as a truly a priori proposition. It may well be applicable in all circumstances we ever find, but in line with Hume I think it's really more of an incredibly strong conjecture, warranted by significant empirical evidence.
Although, having actually read GEB, you probably have a better grasp on the idea.
I think there's a strong argument for the entirety of our natural laws to be derived from induction; being able to be proved through analytic means just reinforces their certainty.
I think piranha wanted to talk about the problem of induction, and this seems like a good transition point.
well I wasn't suggesting changing the subject of your thread. Working on a project now but I'd love to read what both of you have to say about it.
1142
« on: April 28, 2015, 03:04:35 PM »
forgive my dumb but are you saying hume's guillotine should be rejected and hume's fork accepted Yes.
as a matter of pragmatics? That's a rather deep question about the nature of epistemology itself, so I don't really have a well-prepared answer. But, to put it really simply, yes. Epistemology, I think, must be deflationary and pragmatic--and to some degree instrumentalist--in order to make any kind of sense.
well the first quote wasn't required. . . But I like that second bit. There are certain assumptions which simply must be made we can stand around arguing about them or we can get to the interesting stuff while keeping in mind we may be wrong. Peirce would be proud.
1143
« on: April 28, 2015, 02:48:27 PM »
Synthetic propositions/matters of fact cannot be certain according to Hume. They aren't and never will be, Hume was right on this.
As far as I'm aware, he never made an exception for first principles in his schema. Which is where he was wrong. Whether it was a purposeful omission or he just didn't think of it, his own idea is pretty clearly a presupposition. Philosophy still hadn't figured this out by the 1940s apparently, because the Vienna Circle and the Logical Positivists all maintained ideas of Verificationism while also maintaining Hume's Guillotine.
Which is where the contradiction lies. If you maintain Hume's Guillotine, then Hume's Fork fails dramatically. If you reject Hume's Guillotine, it's quite clear that there is a role for presuppositions in any schema you develop, even if Hume himself never recognised it. And, it seems to me, you must reject Hume's Guillotine. There is a clear role for "oughts" in questions of what "is"; science itself is fundamentally based on Karl Popper's idea of falsificationism, which as you probably know is just a modern re-iteration of certain ideas like fallibilism and empiricism.
You have to pre-suppose things in order to get off the ground; science only ever works when you assume certain values like fallibilism and empiricism and physicalism. The point of epistemology is to make sure your pre-suppositions are actually worth holding.
Hume got one thing right and one thing wrong here, and I think you're essentially looking at the wrong side of the coin.
forgive my dumb but are you saying hume's guillotine should be rejected and hume's fork accepted as a matter of pragmatics?
1144
« on: April 28, 2015, 02:04:27 PM »
Yes, entirely
1145
« on: April 28, 2015, 01:47:56 PM »
Gonna do some research. I'd also like to discuss the problem of induction.
1146
« on: April 28, 2015, 01:38:10 PM »
For some reason I thought these were power metal bands.
1147
« on: April 28, 2015, 01:34:59 PM »
That's kinda boring.
But then again, simple things for simple minds... and that's all there are these days.
 >not appreciating minimalism
1148
« on: April 28, 2015, 01:30:08 PM »
Desty what is this?
1149
« on: April 28, 2015, 10:56:29 AM »
>kotaku
Nigger what are you doing
1150
« on: April 28, 2015, 01:26:51 AM »
Is that even a fox?
the head shape is about right
1151
« on: April 28, 2015, 01:24:52 AM »
1152
« on: April 28, 2015, 01:15:45 AM »
 One eye on the equations the other on the pussy.
1153
« on: April 28, 2015, 12:16:31 AM »
THEM GOL DERN LIBERALS ER RUINEN DIS 'ERE CUNTREE
I love it when someone takes a radical minority and uses it as a blanket statement across an entire group of people
It's just like conservatives to do such a thing :^)
I hope you realize the amount of irony here
You're not very good at picking up irony so blatantly obvious that it has a face at the end basically synonymous with the word "satire", are you?
I thought that was a passive aggressive smiley not a lololololol smiley
1154
« on: April 28, 2015, 12:11:19 AM »
1155
« on: April 28, 2015, 12:03:17 AM »
SPEAK ENGLISH OR DIE
1156
« on: April 28, 2015, 12:01:26 AM »
THEM GOL DERN LIBERALS ER RUINEN DIS 'ERE CUNTREE
I love it when someone takes a radical minority and uses it as a blanket statement across an entire group of people
It's just like conservatives to do such a thing :^)
I hope you realize the amount of irony here
1157
« on: April 27, 2015, 11:51:23 PM »
well shit, I concede comms brb committing sudoku
1158
« on: April 27, 2015, 11:47:10 PM »
I wish fgts would keep their politics out of my science.
1159
« on: April 27, 2015, 11:44:36 PM »
It's obvious that Global Warming is happening! When the last two years in my area have been cooler than usual all year long
-Dat sarcasm
 regional weather patterns=global climate
1160
« on: April 27, 2015, 11:30:32 PM »
You're a filthy fucking Canuck, you don't get an opinion.
1161
« on: April 27, 2015, 11:28:10 PM »
>looters are human shit
>well aren't we racist today
>missing the point
>chimp out >the Internet 
1162
« on: April 27, 2015, 11:19:34 PM »
>looters are human shit
>well aren't we racist today
1163
« on: April 27, 2015, 07:16:33 PM »
So not only is your teacher trying to force memes but he is trying to force the meme life on people.
1164
« on: April 27, 2015, 06:30:28 PM »
1165
« on: April 27, 2015, 06:23:01 PM »
I used to think Nascar was boring. Some of my redneck friends invited me. It's one of those things you've gotta be there for.
Like Das said, most passing action of any motorsport, w/ the proximity of the cars like it is in Nascar there's a defensive aspect that's just not there in most high speed motorsports.
Really though I'd rather go to the dragstrip.
1166
« on: April 26, 2015, 12:24:48 AM »
1167
« on: April 25, 2015, 02:39:43 PM »
We should've dropped more.
1168
« on: April 25, 2015, 02:30:22 PM »
Best movie
1169
« on: April 25, 2015, 02:29:28 PM »
Having a tattoo of a joker on his chest is very meta.
Thank you.
lol
meta is a meme
1170
« on: April 25, 2015, 12:47:02 AM »
kill yourself
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