The discussion value here is....?

Quote from: IcyWind on November 18, 2014, 02:30:44 PM

Roughly three minority groups have already been offended.

Are you recording right now?

The three of them are - I likely won't be on since my roommate is around at the moment. I'm listening in and feeding them questions.

What are the odds of you guys dropping my name in the podcast?

Magic 8 Ball says: Better not tell you now

Who is the most kawaii one on the Podcast?

Me

why the fuck was I not invited?

First episode is Staff Only. With episode 2, we'll be inviting community members on.

I mean. If the Ancient Greek/Roman gods existed, that would be pretty sweet.

Nope.

Oh, it has an effect but to put it as the sole and biggest reason is absurd

Let me share something with you.



This was a map, done in the 1950's, of the various ethnic groups and tribes in Africa. Each colored blot is a separate group. Today, it's actually believed this image understates the sheer number of various groups, and that the total amount is much higher.

These are groups that, historically, likely disagreed with each other. Groups that were at war and should have NEVER been grouped in one nation (You can see the modern lines in black on the image), were suddenly thrown together without a care in the world from the European governments as to who they grouped, or what the fuck their history is.

Add, on top of this, the sheer destruction and chaos the Europeans brought in with their "colonization". As I said earlier, a prime example is the Congo, where the Belgian colonizers, under the rule of King Leopold, executed millions and cut off hundred of thousands, if not millions, of hands from native people who refused to assist in the rubber collecting, or just did not do it fast enough.

Guess what? These atrocities occurred across much of the continent, under most of the colonizers. They did not give a fuck what they did or who they harmed. Yes, this happened across the globe under exploration and colonization, but it was exponentially worse in Africa. Going back to the Congo, when the Belgians packed up and left in the 1950's, out of millions of citizens, only roughly 20-25 had the equivalent of a college education.

So, you can say "Oh, the Europeans had some negative effects, but it was far from the majority!" all you want, but history does not lie. The Europeans took a continent that, yes, was behind, and destroyed it, pillaged it for resources, and left it in chaos. The civil wars and strife that we see today, all remnants of idiocy that came during colonization.

Quote from: IcyWind on November 17, 2014, 09:56:58 PM

Quote from: Kinder on November 17, 2014, 09:36:33 PM

Quote from: challengerX on November 17, 2014, 06:49:13 PM

You realize Europeans colonized other parts of the world and they turned out completely fine

You do realize the European "colonies" in Africa were extremely different than, say, India/Australia/The New World?

It was different, and so was the colonization between the Americas and Australia as example.

So, you're saying that European colonization of Africa has little effect on the problems that remain today?

That's a damn joke, and any credible historian would dismiss you.

Okay, cut the insults now.

Quote from: IcyWind on November 17, 2014, 09:32:18 PM

Quote from: Dustin Patty Cake on November 17, 2014, 09:31:46 PM

Quote from: IcyWind on November 17, 2014, 09:30:27 PM

Dustin, you are evil.

that's not even nsfw

Then why hide it in spoilers?

kiyo edited it

at least she didn't ban me for five days like last time

>.>

Dustin, you are evil.

Clearly, me.

TBlocks has the worst.

South Africa was definitely colonized and had infrastructure built.

So, one colony out of, what, thirty? Forty? Even South Africa had extreme civil issues leading into the late 20th century, and it can be argued that those issues still exist today. Nearly every other colony was exploited and plundered for resources, with the little infrastructure created simply to transport the resources out.

China was not colonized. It was torn apart by Europe and America, and later a civil war and Japan. Its on track to be largest economy in the world.

Again, you are comparing Apples to Oranges. China has an extremely lengthy history of unity - including construction of some basic infrastructure through European colonization. On top of that, events in the modern history following the World Wars helped booster it's economy unlike what is capable in Sub-Saharan Africa.

You can blame colonial powers and any number of issues (such as amount of farm land etc.) But at the end of the day when rule is placed into the power of the native populace they either sink or swim.

Yeah, when you have warring tribes and ethnic groups mixed together, something that shouldn't have happened, you wonder why the power has been troublesome.

These nations were created with little concern to existing tribes, treaties, and wars. These nations were plundered for resources. And less than fifty years ago in many cases, the Europeans simply packed up, saying "See ya!" and let these people, who (again) should not have been grouped together, kill each other.

The governments of that region. India and China were raped and pillaged in colonial times as well (china especially w/ opium war and boxer rebellion) and they're both booming atm.

Two completely different scenario's - especially with India. They were colonized by one European power (The British) who built infrastructure, schools, etc. that did benefit the people of India, whether you like them or not.

None of that occurred in Africa.