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7501
« on: November 19, 2014, 04:56:44 PM »
Have you ever learned about ancient Chinese history? Because if you did, you'd learn that the Qin Dynasty started the construction of the Great Wall,
Even you must be even basically aware of the sheer fucking stupidity of comparing the Qin Dynasty's construction of the Wall to America's situation/capacity.
I've given up hope that he'll see the logic. You can deal with it, Meta.
7502
« on: November 19, 2014, 03:37:36 PM »
I see you've given up on the whole wall argument. Good, because it's preposterous Did you not read the part of the government making empty promises about reform?
Great. That doesn't mean we abandon attempts at it for silly solutions, which is ALL that you have proposed in this thread. "Let's build a wall and monitoring cameras!" LOL, do you even understand the concept of E.O? They're not some "get out of jail for free' card that allows the president to do whatever they want. E.Os are foremost subjected to judicial review and can be struck down. Secondly, an executive order must have support in the Constitution, either in a clause granting the President specific power, or by a delegation of power by Congress to the President I'm well aware of how an executive works, thanks for sharing. Care to add anything new, or are we just going to spout out facts to look intelligent? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2700946/From-bribing-drug-cartels-immigration-officials-paying-hotels-train-rides-Coyote-smugglers-reveal-costs-involved-smuggling-child-migrants-Central-America-U-S.html
$4-$10K to be smuggled. Yeah, it's that expensive
A study for the National Foundation for American Policy estimated that to hire someone on an H-1B visa, a U.S. employer has to pay about $2,500 in legal fees; a $1,500 training fee; a $1,000 “premium processing” fee; a $500 antifraud fee; a $190 immigration service fee; around $125 in additional incidental costs; and a $100 visa fee. That totals almost $6,000. Complicated immigration cases can cost eligible applicants $10,000 or more in legal fees alone. Meanwhile, even unauthorized immigrants from Central America pay between $7,000 and $10,000 in smuggling fees to get across the border, according to Alex Nowrasteh at the Competitive Enterprise Institute—often more than once, because they get caught, thrown out, and try to return.It's costly either way. One, you pay 6-10k, and have to wait five years with no guarantee you'll even get in and have to reapply. Otherwise, you pay 7-10k to avoid the broken system and risk being sent back to do it again. Both are costly. But hey.... We could just fix the damn system to save money for everyone! Genius!Is this not computing?
7503
« on: November 19, 2014, 03:24:34 PM »
This is how well fences work people.
The solution is to build a bigger fence.
7504
« on: November 19, 2014, 03:22:15 PM »
How is it a waste? It's a fucking barrier to keep people out. It's not rocket science
Because instead of spending tens of millions on a fucking wall, you can simply fix the damn policy for cheaper? It's not fucking rocket science. Fixing a broken system is cheaper than building a damn wall. Government promised long ago back in the 80s they would fix the policy. Government has said it multiples time yet here we are again, spouting something that will never happen or get fixed That's the point of these executive orders. Know an interesting fact? Philippines has the longest waiting time. Good for them. We aren't the Philippines. Yet if these illegals don't have money, how could they afford being smuggled once, twice, even three times when the costs are far more than the legal way?
Really? You think it's that expensive? I laughed. Laughed a lot.
7505
« on: November 19, 2014, 03:07:47 PM »
2. Lol, it's not a bs excuse.
Also, unemployment is at 6pc.
Don't get him started on this...
7506
« on: November 19, 2014, 03:06:05 PM »
I'm not opposed to a wall being constructed. We have them in some places but they're just fences that people can climb Seriously, you want us to waste money building a giant wall when we could just fucking fix the policy? This is coming from someone who hates wasteful government spending.
How is it broken? You apply for greencard, you wait 5 years so government can monitor you, then you apply for citizenship. And the costs come absolutely nowhere near the amount these people pay to get smuggled across
Way to oversimplify. I expect nothing less. Let's start with the fact of the extremely long line to get a green card. The fact that most illegal immigrants are the people with not enough money, or can't wait five years because of fucking war.
7507
« on: November 19, 2014, 02:58:58 PM »
Or, we can direct more funds to border security and adopt harsher personalities for those who break federal law That's ridiculous on the face of it.
1. Move funds
2. Build camera and tracking systems at certain intervals
3. Hire people to watch said camera and systems
4. Dispatch team when something is picked up
It's pants on the head easy
Why not just build a forty foot tall concrete wall while you're at it? Some land mines? I'm sure they'll work just as well. Simply saying "We need to up border security!" is not going to fix the damn problem. The current process to actually immigrate here is broken.
7508
« on: November 19, 2014, 02:55:28 PM »
This only teaches illegals that coming here illegally means they will eventually be able to stay
Or, on the other hand, you could liberalise the fucking immigration laws so people aren't overly-tempted to get in illegally.
Just what about this aren't you getting?
Or, we can direct more funds to border security and adopt harsher personalities for those who break federal law
It's like debating with a brick wall. This doesn't fix the problem, Kinder.
7509
« on: November 19, 2014, 02:47:11 PM »
Eh, a lot of people dislike this song because the lyrics are semi-rapist, what with the whole "No, don't go home, stay here and have a couple drinks more"
Same as the people who dislike Santa Baby. They're just quite sexual
Just some good ol' fashioned casual sexism, is all. I've never liked this song anyway, but now that I've noticed lyrics, just... squick.
The neighbors might think
(Baby, it's bad out there)
Say what's in this drink?
(No cabs to be had out there) I ought to say, "No, no, no sir"
(Mind if I move in closer?)
At least I'm gonna say that I tried
(What's the sense in hurtin' my pride?) That people try to defend this song is mind-boggling.
Well, the original version didn't exactly have the "rape" undertone to it.
Yes it did. The printed score labels the roles as "The Mouse" and "The Wolf," and the lyrics are the same.
Not because of that. If I remember correctly, the song was written for his wife. Of course, I'm probably wrong since I don't study holiday music history.
7510
« on: November 19, 2014, 02:44:41 PM »
Yeah, not our fucking problem that other countries have issues.
Factually incorrect.
Factually correct
We are not the world police, we are not the government of Mexico, Columbia, etc, we are not the nanny of other people
You honestly think the drug war, something that is CAUSING an influx of drugs and immigrants over our border, something that is CAUSING violence and lawlessness directly along the border, is not out problem? Seriously? This is just one example. Problems in other countries directly affect your country, whether you want to admit it or not - on top of moral and ethical obligations
7511
« on: November 19, 2014, 02:39:58 PM »
Yeah, not our fucking problem that other countries have issues.
Factually incorrect.
7512
« on: November 19, 2014, 02:39:18 PM »
Eh, a lot of people dislike this song because the lyrics are semi-rapist, what with the whole "No, don't go home, stay here and have a couple drinks more"
Same as the people who dislike Santa Baby. They're just quite sexual
Just some good ol' fashioned casual sexism, is all. I've never liked this song anyway, but now that I've noticed lyrics, just... squick.
The neighbors might think
(Baby, it's bad out there)
Say what's in this drink?
(No cabs to be had out there) I ought to say, "No, no, no sir"
(Mind if I move in closer?)
At least I'm gonna say that I tried
(What's the sense in hurtin' my pride?) That people try to defend this song is mind-boggling.
Well, the original version didn't exactly have the "rape" undertone to it.
So wait, then what's the big deal?
The original version from however many years ago. The current version, which is the lyrics above, is the one people have a problem with.
7513
« on: November 19, 2014, 02:37:50 PM »
Hey, immigrants are necessary for an economy, whether or not you want to accept it. They're more than willing to do some of the shittiest jobs that the typical America would scoff at.
The beauty of this is that I don't agree with you. I actually think skilled immigration is a larger factor at play.
But that's just it, we don't need to agree as long as we concede immigration is beneficial. Immigrants boost nominal income, and skilled or not, that's what matters.
Both unskilled and skilled immigration do have benefits to the economy, so yes. Agree to disagree.
7514
« on: November 19, 2014, 02:36:49 PM »
who most likely have no degrees, can't speak English, and have no special skills equals to economic positive?
I dunno. Let's ask the immigrants from 1910 who likely had no degrees, barely spoke English, and had no special skills.
7515
« on: November 19, 2014, 02:35:32 PM »
Eh, a lot of people dislike this song because the lyrics are semi-rapist, what with the whole "No, don't go home, stay here and have a couple drinks more"
Same as the people who dislike Santa Baby. They're just quite sexual
Just some good ol' fashioned casual sexism, is all. I've never liked this song anyway, but now that I've noticed lyrics, just... squick.
The neighbors might think
(Baby, it's bad out there)
Say what's in this drink?
(No cabs to be had out there) I ought to say, "No, no, no sir"
(Mind if I move in closer?)
At least I'm gonna say that I tried
(What's the sense in hurtin' my pride?) That people try to defend this song is mind-boggling.
Well, the original version didn't exactly have the "rape" undertone to it.
7516
« on: November 19, 2014, 02:34:42 PM »
Yes, please let's tell families and children attempting who are waiting in line in a legal manner to "go fuck yourselves" because we now have to deal with people who couldn't wait
Yes please, let's tell American families that they can't get a job now because 10-15 million people deserve far more than them, especially when homelessness and unemployment (over 10%) are out of fucking control. Let's totally add more economic devestation
What part of "Huge drug wars" didn't get across? The mass graves part? Or the overall rampant amount of killing? The process of "legal immigration" to the United States is fucking ridiculous in the cost, length, and process - to the point where people are desperate to get here that they'll jump the border over the appalling and shitty conditions they face. Hey, immigrants are necessary for an economy, whether or not you want to accept it. They're more than willing to do some of the shittiest jobs that the typical America would scoff at.
7518
« on: November 19, 2014, 02:25:01 PM »
Except we are not in a war
Because military operations should be restricted to international conflicts? We absolutely are at war in any meaningful sense of the word.
Shhhh. Congress hasn't declared war, so we clearly aren't in any sense of the word. Don't you know nothing?
7519
« on: November 19, 2014, 02:19:52 PM »
If you're here illegally then get the fuck out and wait your turn like my grandmother, aunt, and every other legal immigrant has done
Great policy. No problems whatsoever with this line of thinking.
As I said, we don't fucking enforce the current laws.
Because the current laws are broken beyond belief and do nothing to aid the immigration process, instead making it extremely difficult, lengthy, and costly? Eh, I'll let Meta deal with you here.
7520
« on: November 19, 2014, 02:18:43 PM »
Eh, a lot of people dislike this song because the lyrics are semi-rapist, what with the whole "No, don't go home, stay here and have a couple drinks more"
Same as the people who dislike Santa Baby. They're just quite sexual
7521
« on: November 19, 2014, 02:14:57 PM »
If you're here illegally then get the fuck out and wait your turn like my grandmother, aunt, and every other legal immigrant has done
Great policy. No problems whatsoever with this line of thinking.
7522
« on: November 19, 2014, 01:54:12 PM »
I always thought Fox News was his own dude, and all the parody accounts were someone else...
Be quiet, PSU.
7523
« on: November 19, 2014, 01:50:07 PM »
New York Times
Miami Herald
La Times
Chicago Tribune
so on and so on lol......
>.>
>.>
Those were you?
Maybe >.> 
Ok Fox News
7524
« on: November 19, 2014, 01:47:00 PM »
New York Times
Miami Herald
La Times
Chicago Tribune
so on and so on lol......
>.>
>.> Those were you?
7525
« on: November 19, 2014, 01:43:20 PM »
inb4 Pegboy reference
7527
« on: November 19, 2014, 01:36:37 PM »
My Secondclass alt. So many memories.
7528
« on: November 19, 2014, 01:32:55 PM »
I have a long, long way to go til Legendary ;_;
7529
« on: November 19, 2014, 01:25:05 PM »
I mean they're already there in the first place. It's not like they're just going to pack up and leave. And 5 million is nothing as a number for the states in terms of population.
Pretty much.
7530
« on: November 19, 2014, 12:50:57 PM »
Federalist, no question.
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