You need a more flattering picture.

ok so whats your solution to getting raped at college?

I'm not going to pretend to have a solution for something as complex as this. It's something that needs to be addressed on several fronts - alcohol awareness, college politics and policies, and yes - fraternities need to be held accountable for the actions of their members.

Mine is educating my kids on drinking and learning how to drink responsibility. What could possibly be better than that?

Education is fine. Simply saying "Kids should just start drinking in high school", with nothing else, only adds to the problem.

Quote from: IcyWind on November 20, 2014, 01:22:11 PM

So, let me ask: Aside from the federal investigation and severe penalties that are coming down, what more can be done to prevent this growing problem?

Freshman girls can learn how to drink in highschool so they don't go away to college and get fucked up/blackout during the first week and either die or get raped.

Far too common.

So...to fix a sexual assault problem, have kids drink in high school more so they learn?

That's a horrible solution.

Very, very, very long Rolling Stone article that I am linking, but don't intend you all to read. Highlights regarding it are quoted below

Four weeks into UVA's 2012 school year, 18-year-old Jackie was crushing it at college. A chatty, straight-A achiever from a rural Virginia town, she'd initially been intimidated by UVA's aura of preppy success, where throngs of toned, tanned and overwhelmingly blond students fanned across a landscape of neoclassical brick buildings, hurrying to classes, clubs, sports, internships, part-time jobs, volunteer work and parties; Jackie's orientation leader had warned her that UVA students' schedules were so packed that "no one has time to date – people just hook up." But despite her reservations, Jackie had flung herself into campus life, attending events, joining clubs, making friends and, now, being asked on an actual date. She and Drew had met while working lifeguard shifts together at the university pool, and Jackie had been floored by Drew's invitation to dinner, followed by a "date function" at his fraternity, Phi Kappa Psi. The "upper tier" frat had a reputation of tremendous wealth, and its imposingly large house overlooked a vast manicured field, giving "Phi Psi" the undisputed best real estate along UVA's fraternity row known as Rugby Road.

Now, climbing the frat-house stairs with Drew, Jackie felt excited. Drew ushered Jackie into a bedroom, shutting the door behind them. The room was pitch-black inside. Jackie blindly turned toward Drew, uttering his name. At that same moment, she says, she detected movement in the room – and felt someone bump into her. Jackie began to scream.

"Shut up," she heard a man's voice say as a body barreled into her, tripping her backward and sending them both crashing through a low glass table. There was a heavy person on top of her, spreading open her thighs, and another person kneeling on her hair, hands pinning down her arms, sharp shards digging into her back, and excited male voices rising all around her. When yet another hand clamped over her mouth, Jackie bit it, and the hand became a fist that punched her in the face. The men surrounding her began to laugh. For a hopeful moment Jackie wondered if this wasn't some collegiate prank. Perhaps at any second someone would flick on the lights and they'd return to the party.

"Grab its motherfucking leg," she heard a voice say. And that's when Jackie knew she was going to be raped.

She remembers every moment of the next three hours of agony, during which, she says, seven men took turns raping her, while two more – her date, Drew, and another man – gave instruction and encouragement. She remembers how the spectators swigged beers, and how they called each other nicknames like Armpit and Blanket. She remembers the men's heft and their sour reek of alcohol mixed with the pungency of marijuana. Most of all, Jackie remembers the pain and the pounding that went on and on.

As the last man sank onto her, Jackie was startled to recognize him: He attended her tiny anthropology discussion group. He looked like he was going to cry or puke as he told the crowd he couldn't get it up. "Pussy!" the other men jeered. "What, she's not hot enough for you?" Then they egged him on: "Don't you want to be a brother?" "We all had to do it, so you do, too." Someone handed her classmate a beer bottle. Jackie stared at the young man, silently begging him not to go through with it. And as he shoved the bottle into her, Jackie fell into a stupor, mentally untethering from the brutal tableau, her mind leaving behind the bleeding body under assault on the floor.

Two years later, Jackie, now a third-year, is worried about what might happen to her once this article comes out. Greek life is huge at UVA, with nearly one-third of undergrads belonging to a fraternity or sorority, so Jackie fears the backlash could be big – a "shitshow" predicted by her now-former friend Randall, who, citing his loyalty to his own frat, declined to be interviewed. But her concerns go beyond taking on her alleged assailants and their fraternity. Lots of people have discouraged her from sharing her story, Jackie tells me with a pained look, including the trusted UVA dean to whom Jackie reported her gang-rape allegations more than a year ago. On this deeply loyal campus, even some of Jackie's closest friends see her going public as tantamount to betrayal.

The first weeks of freshman year are when students are most vulnerable to sexual assault

Studies have shown that fraternity men are three times as likely to commit rape, and a spate of recent high-profile cases illustrates the dangers that can lurk at frat parties, like a University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee frat accused of using color-coded hand stamps as a signal to roofie their guests, and this fall's suspension of Brown University's chapter of Phi Kappa Psi – of all fraternities – after a partygoer tested positive for the date-rape drug GHB.

Frats are often the sole option for an underage drinker looking to party, since bars are off-limits, sororities are dry and first-year students don't get many invites to apartment soirees. Instead, the kids crowd the walkways of the big, anonymous frat houses, vying for entry.

Most of that hooking up is consensual. But against that backdrop, as psychologist David Lisak discovered, lurk undetected predators. Lisak's 2002 groundbreaking study of more than 1,800 college men found that roughly nine out of 10 rapes are committed by serial offenders, who are responsible for an astonishing average of six rapes each. None of the offenders in Lisak's study had ever been reported. Lisak's findings upended general presumptions about campus sexual assault: It implied that most incidents are not bumbling, he-said-she-said miscommunications, but rather deliberate crimes by serial sex offenders.

For those who do not know, UVA is among 86 universities across the country under investigation from the federal government regarding the sexual assault problem, and claims of coverup. UVA's investigation goes one step further, which the quote below explains:

UVA is one of only 12 schools under a sweeping investigation known as "compliance review": a proactive probe launched by the Department of Education's Office of Civil Rights itself, triggered by concerns about deep-rooted issues. "They are targeted efforts to go after very serious concerns," says Office of Civil Rights assistant secretary Catherine Lhamon. "We don't open compliance reviews unless we have something that we think merits it."

The topic of sexual assault on college campuses is not new, but it's one that has escalated in recent years as more and more victims come forward with reports of their assault, and the claims that their university either pushed them to drop the claims, or that the university covered up investigations to protect frats, athletic teams, and their prestige.

So, let me ask: Aside from the federal investigation and severe penalties that are coming down, what more can be done to prevent this growing problem?

Quote from: IcyWind on November 20, 2014, 12:53:18 PM

I love me some meat.

Me too. I had some delicious brisket for dinner yesterday.

I had some bratwurst. 

I'm not one for world policing, by any stretch, but military intervention (by the entire western world) is simply necessary to stop the rise of ISIS,

One could argue that putting boots on the ground is simply what ISIS wants, to try and add more legitimacy to their regime and draw in more foreign fighters. Thoughts?

Thoughts on the current situation in the Middle East?

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Remind me, what part of "Edit your OP and we'll move the thread back" in your first thread equates to "Hey, I'll just make a second thread?"

Where's the discussion value, here?

Should be in Flood.

Agreed.

Let me get this straight, you bring up one bill sitting around yet I bring up over 300 bills yet somehow that doesn't matter?

Because the one bill I referred to is directly related to the topic of immigration reform, referring to the border control funding that you have brought up several times? Unlike your topic, which is simply referring to political stalling, which has nothing to do with immigration?

Yeah, alright you've made me laugh; I'm done with this thread now

Thank. God.

I don't celebrate a holiday where you eat the icon.

And how do you expect Congress to do anything when Obama keeps passing E.Os and not playing ball with them?

...Because Congress has a job to pass laws. That's what they are elected to do, but guess what? This Congress has been one of the worst at actually doing their damn job.

The House is currently sitting on a bill, already passed by the Senate, that would increase funding to the southern border, along with security improvements. While, again, it's better to actually fix the system instead of funneling money into something that is fundamentally broken, this is just an example of Congress doing nothing, and then complaining and throwing a hissy fit when Obama does something.

Obama has said to Congress that if they don't like his EO's, to pass laws to fix the various problems his orders are tackling. They choose not to. They are at fault.

Again, using liberal or conservative as an insult never helps.

And there's no issue with that

There is if that's all children are taught.