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5491
« on: January 09, 2015, 10:19:52 PM »
Can you post a non-stumbleupon link this site is shitting itself with some tiny frame in the top left
no
5492
« on: January 09, 2015, 10:17:50 PM »
5493
« on: January 09, 2015, 10:16:44 PM »
5494
« on: January 09, 2015, 10:15:39 PM »
rc
Pros:
- seriously
- I got nothing
Cons:
- gay floridian
- seriously, each of those could be their own con
5495
« on: January 09, 2015, 10:11:24 PM »
Is WebM the junior version of WebMD?
5496
« on: January 09, 2015, 10:06:11 PM »
That's why you take away all the incentives to come across illegally in the first place.
You do realise the incentive to come illegally comes from the fact that's it's complicated as shit to do it legally?
It's fuck all to do with welfare; it's the desperation to have a better life regardless. Why would you even want to remove the incentives immigrants have for coming to your country? You'd wreck the fucking economy in a heartbeat.
There's a difference between removing incentives from illegals and legals
I don't think you understand.... The incentive that people have to come here illegally is that they don't have to deal with the extremely complicated process it takes to become a legal citizen.
5497
« on: January 09, 2015, 10:03:34 PM »
Solution: we should form our own gay boi club
Somehow....they're multiplying >.> He even used a Roxas avatar
5498
« on: January 09, 2015, 10:00:04 PM »
Fuck religion and fuck extremists.
5499
« on: January 09, 2015, 09:59:22 PM »
The Federal Government DOES NOT have the resources to arrest, put on trial, and deport (at a minimum) the 11 million estimated illegal immigrants in our country.
That's why you take away all the incentives to come across illegally in the first place.
You act like there is a ton of incentive - like the US government is handing out goodie bags at the border.
5500
« on: January 09, 2015, 09:52:00 PM »
Good lord I just want to pick the third one up, slam him on a table, and go to fucking town.
But uh... on topic... I'm mostly envious of those with decent social capabilities.
At first, I thought it was Casper
5501
« on: January 09, 2015, 09:50:43 PM »
He's a sinner, that's what he is
I'd like to sin in you, if you know what i mean 
5502
« on: January 09, 2015, 09:47:25 PM »
IcyWind change your name to FrigidFarts already
thanks
I already have a list of phases - Sun God - Donald Duck - Robin Fucking Wright - More Donald Fucking Duck I could maybe slip FrigidFarts in between Donald and Robin
5503
« on: January 09, 2015, 09:43:59 PM »
Who?
5504
« on: January 09, 2015, 09:43:19 PM »
I always said I would never be outgayed.
This might just do it.
5505
« on: January 09, 2015, 09:40:12 PM »
the people on welfare?
Well I was just going to suggest we kill them all and then abolish welfare spending. . .
Liberals would never allow it.
We'll kill them, too.
I'll nuke this forum before I allow you to slaughter me.
5506
« on: January 09, 2015, 09:39:38 PM »
Not only are we going to work against Obama's EO, but also against those who came here as children (Illegally, but without a choice), and not prioritize violence illegalsWASHINGTON -- House Republicans are set to vote next week on a bill to fund the Department of Homeland Security that will be coupled with a number of hard-line conservative measures going after President Barack Obama's central immigration policies. The bill is likely to set up a weekslong fight between Republicans and the president that could risk shutting down DHS at the end of next month.
The $39.7 billion DHS funding package was introduced on Friday, and will be coupled next week with amendments limiting the president's immigration authorities. One amendment is expected to block Obama's recently announced executive actions on immigration, which could give work authorization to up to 5 million people who are in the country illegally. Members said the legislation would also halt the 2012 Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals policy, which protects undocumented young people who came to the U.S. as children.
Along with those measures, members said the amendments would reinstate the controversial Secure Communities immigration enforcement program, which DHS Secretary Jeh Johnson announced would be ended late last year due to pushback from state and local officials. The package is also expected to do away with most of the "Morton Memos," guidance from Immigration and Customs Enforcement that instructs agents to focus deportation efforts on immigrants who are perceived as more dangerous or who have recently crossed the border illegally.
GOP members huddled on Friday morning to discuss the plan before it was introduced. The package pleased conservatives in the House, but is likely doomed in the Senate. Even if it passed in the upper chamber, though, the bill would almost certainly get a veto from the president.
Republicans said they were aware that their bill will face opposition from Obama and Democrats, but wanted to stake out their position early in the DHS funding process.
"We're starting from a conservative standpoint as opposed to negotiating with the Senate before we even pass a bill," Rep. Robert Aderholt (R-Ala.), whose immigration bill will be partially integrated into the funding measures, told reporters after the House GOP conference meeting. "So we're starting from a very conservative aspect on this."
The bill could lose some GOP members, though likely not many. Rep. Jeff Denham (R-Calif.) said he was "not happy with the current status of the bill," pointing specifically to the DACA provision.
"We've got to deal with immigration -- immigration as a whole, reforming our system across the nation," said Denham, who has opposed previous bills to end DACA. "Just picking on the children that came here through no fault of their own, I think, is the wrong way to start."
Rep. Matt Salmon (R-Ariz.), who supports the plan, said only a small group of House Republicans had expressed concern about the bill. He noted that all of the issues raised had been about the DACA provisions, not the strength of the bill overall. Almost everyone else is on board, he said.
"This is as close to 100 percent as we've ever gotten on a tough issue like this," Salmon said.
Moving forward with a DHS funding bill so early in the new Congress will allow ample time for negotiations, which could prevent a department shutdown. Some Republicans said that after Wednesday's terrorist attack in France, it would be the wrong move to threaten shutting down the Homeland Security department over the immigration issue.
House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) said during a Thursday press conference that he does not expect that to happen, and that his conference would move forward with efforts to block Obama's executive actions on immigration.
"I don't believe that the funding of the department is, in fact, at risk," he said. "What is at risk is the rule of law and the sanctity of America's constitution. The president has taken actions that are beyond the scope of his ability and Congress cannot just sit here and look the other way."
Boehner, when asked whether House Republicans would ever pass a DHS funding bill that did not stop Obama's immigration actions, didn't give a yes or no answer.
There are "a lot of options available to us," he said. "When we pass our bill, we'll see what the Senate can do with it and then we'll act."
Rep. Raul Labrador (R-Idaho) said Friday that he had told fellow GOP members during the conference meeting that they needed to begin thinking about what the next step would be, once the Senate likely rejects the House bill. He said they will discuss the matter at a GOP retreat next week, which will take place after the vote on DHS funding.
Republicans, Labrador said, needed to "draw a line in the sand so the president understands he's putting the nation's national security at risk and he's putting illegal immigration ahead of people that are here legally."
Labrador said the most vital aspect for a final funding bill will be to go after the executive actions that the president announced late last year.
"It doesn't have to have all of these measures, but I think we need to roll back what [Obama] did in November," Labrador said. Let me emphasize my point: The Federal Government DOES NOT have the resources to arrest, put on trial, and deport (at a minimum) the 11 million estimated illegal immigrants in our country.
So, lets prioritize those who are violent, non-beneficial to society, or here solely to cause problems, and make it easier for those who had no choice in their coming here, or have been beneficial to American society, to become legal!Emphasized enough?
5507
« on: January 09, 2015, 09:30:30 PM »
 Well, this thread took a sharp turn to....something
5508
« on: January 09, 2015, 09:28:17 PM »
Well, as long as nobody in this thread starts calling for wage and price controls, government works programmes and fiscal stimulus. . .
I think we'll be all right >.>
We should have all of that, and then socialism.
5509
« on: January 09, 2015, 09:27:37 PM »
I would love it so damn much if we can go back a couple of decades where anybody could be middle-class, have a simple high school diploma, and be a manager at a department store or wherever
People back then also weren't nearly as educated. But sure, go ahead and travel back in time. I'm sure you'd fit in perfectly.
Yep, just 20 years ago people were running around in nothing but a loin cloth and throwing rocks at animals to see what would be a better tool for hunting. Seriously, would it be any harm for you to think for once? If anybody would fit perfectly with cavemen it would be you
Twenty years ago, there was no internet for the general consumer. Phones were still tethered to a wall with a 20ft cable. Hell, have you seen their fashion?
It may only have been 20 years ago, but the world was quite different.
And that matters exactly how?
Because Kinder - you say shit like "Oh, I wish we could go back twenty years to where things were so much better!" - and then say "Oh, what does that matter" when some of the biggest innovations weren't even around.
Guess what - prices of products have gone up, wages for entry level jobs, along with positions like managers, has not significantly changed. Great, in 1995, you could live modestly as a manager. Shit was cheaper then.
I'm saying we should go back to when you don't need a degree in order to become the manager of McDonalds
hey this is kinda relevant to a story i have
first semester of college, i only had class on tuesdays and thursdays. i figured i could do some substitute teaching at the local elementary/middle schools on my offdays to make some extra cash and keep myself busy. guess what? in my state, substitute teachers need four year degrees!
Well....yes. I'd prefer my children's substitute teacher to be certified in teaching and be aware, nominally, of what they are teaching.
you dont think that's a bit ridiculous? i can understand a 2 year degree, sure. anyone who has a high school diploma should have a nominal understanding of anything the kids are learning in public school.. even then, it's not really that important to have specific knowledge, because, in my experience, substitute teachers sat in a chair while the kids did pre-assigned work or just ran through pre-planned lectures the regular teacher left for them.
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Are we talking primary or secondary education?
When it comes to grade school I don't think it should matter that much, unless it's a long term substitute teacher or something. He's right, usually all subs have to do is refer to the stuff that the teacher left behind. The work is completely cut out for them.
Eh, I suppose.
5510
« on: January 09, 2015, 09:23:57 PM »
Department of Education
Last time anything happened there was under Bush. . .
I think we all want to avoid anything like that happening again >.>
You mean NCLB?
Well, that and the fact that the Dept. of Education's funding increased by 165pc.
Whether it fucking even did anything to the education system, I don't even know.
It did not, because it was still considered an underfunded mandate.
5511
« on: January 09, 2015, 09:23:31 PM »
I would love it so damn much if we can go back a couple of decades where anybody could be middle-class, have a simple high school diploma, and be a manager at a department store or wherever
People back then also weren't nearly as educated. But sure, go ahead and travel back in time. I'm sure you'd fit in perfectly.
Yep, just 20 years ago people were running around in nothing but a loin cloth and throwing rocks at animals to see what would be a better tool for hunting. Seriously, would it be any harm for you to think for once? If anybody would fit perfectly with cavemen it would be you
Twenty years ago, there was no internet for the general consumer. Phones were still tethered to a wall with a 20ft cable. Hell, have you seen their fashion?
It may only have been 20 years ago, but the world was quite different.
And that matters exactly how?
Because Kinder - you say shit like "Oh, I wish we could go back twenty years to where things were so much better!" - and then say "Oh, what does that matter" when some of the biggest innovations weren't even around.
Guess what - prices of products have gone up, wages for entry level jobs, along with positions like managers, has not significantly changed. Great, in 1995, you could live modestly as a manager. Shit was cheaper then.
I'm saying we should go back to when you don't need a degree in order to become the manager of McDonalds
hey this is kinda relevant to a story i have
first semester of college, i only had class on tuesdays and thursdays. i figured i could do some substitute teaching at the local elementary/middle schools on my offdays to make some extra cash and keep myself busy. guess what? in my state, substitute teachers need four year degrees!
Well....yes. I'd prefer my children's substitute teacher to be certified in teaching and be aware, nominally, of what they are teaching.
you dont think that's a bit ridiculous? i can understand a 2 year degree, sure. anyone who has a high school diploma should have a nominal understanding of anything the kids are learning in public school.. even then, it's not really that important to have specific knowledge, because, in my experience, substitute teachers sat in a chair while the kids did pre-assigned work or just ran through pre-planned lectures the regular teacher left for them.
' Are we talking primary or secondary education?
5512
« on: January 09, 2015, 09:21:00 PM »
Department of Education
Last time anything happened there was under Bush. . .
I think we all want to avoid anything like that happening again >.>
You mean NCLB?
5513
« on: January 09, 2015, 09:19:30 PM »
Gotta love differences in states.
So what the fuck is Obama doing offering a nationwide solution to state problems?
Surely, if at all, it should be down to the states what they're doing with their colleges.
Department of Education, and federal funding towards universities most likely. Who knows, to be honest
5514
« on: January 09, 2015, 09:18:34 PM »
I would love it so damn much if we can go back a couple of decades where anybody could be middle-class, have a simple high school diploma, and be a manager at a department store or wherever
People back then also weren't nearly as educated. But sure, go ahead and travel back in time. I'm sure you'd fit in perfectly.
Yep, just 20 years ago people were running around in nothing but a loin cloth and throwing rocks at animals to see what would be a better tool for hunting. Seriously, would it be any harm for you to think for once? If anybody would fit perfectly with cavemen it would be you
Twenty years ago, there was no internet for the general consumer. Phones were still tethered to a wall with a 20ft cable. Hell, have you seen their fashion?
It may only have been 20 years ago, but the world was quite different.
And that matters exactly how?
Because Kinder - you say shit like "Oh, I wish we could go back twenty years to where things were so much better!" - and then say "Oh, what does that matter" when some of the biggest innovations weren't even around.
Guess what - prices of products have gone up, wages for entry level jobs, along with positions like managers, has not significantly changed. Great, in 1995, you could live modestly as a manager. Shit was cheaper then.
I'm saying we should go back to when you don't need a degree in order to become the manager of McDonalds
hey this is kinda relevant to a story i have
first semester of college, i only had class on tuesdays and thursdays. i figured i could do some substitute teaching at the local elementary/middle schools on my offdays to make some extra cash and keep myself busy. guess what? in my state, substitute teachers need four year degrees!
Well....yes. I'd prefer my children's substitute teacher to be certified in teaching and be aware, nominally, of what they are teaching.
5515
« on: January 09, 2015, 09:16:32 PM »
Guess what - prices of products have gone up, wages for entry level jobs, along with positions like managers, has not significantly changed. Great, in 1995, you could live modestly as a manager. Shit was cheaper then.
Not true, compensation for labour has been rising steadily with productivity at least since the start of the Great Moderation.
The problem is, it's not nearly enough to keep up with the prices for basic goods.
I really have to disagree from personal experience.
And again, I disagree based on my personal experience. Gotta love differences in states.
5516
« on: January 09, 2015, 09:11:02 PM »
I would love it so damn much if we can go back a couple of decades where anybody could be middle-class, have a simple high school diploma, and be a manager at a department store or wherever
People back then also weren't nearly as educated. But sure, go ahead and travel back in time. I'm sure you'd fit in perfectly.
Yep, just 20 years ago people were running around in nothing but a loin cloth and throwing rocks at animals to see what would be a better tool for hunting. Seriously, would it be any harm for you to think for once? If anybody would fit perfectly with cavemen it would be you
Twenty years ago, there was no internet for the general consumer. Phones were still tethered to a wall with a 20ft cable. Hell, have you seen their fashion?
It may only have been 20 years ago, but the world was quite different.
And that matters exactly how?
Because Kinder - you say shit like "Oh, I wish we could go back twenty years to where things were so much better!" - and then say "Oh, what does that matter" when some of the biggest innovations weren't even around.
Guess what - prices of products have gone up, wages for entry level jobs, along with positions like managers, has not significantly changed. Great, in 1995, you could live modestly as a manager. Shit was cheaper then.
I'm saying we should go back to when you don't need a degree in order to become the manager of McDonalds
And you really don't. If I got a job at (insert store name here), I can work my way up to Manager. That option is still there. Doesn't mean it's feasible.
5517
« on: January 09, 2015, 09:10:16 PM »
Guess what - prices of products have gone up, wages for entry level jobs, along with positions like managers, has not significantly changed. Great, in 1995, you could live modestly as a manager. Shit was cheaper then.
Not true, compensation for labour has been rising steadily with productivity at least since the start of the Great Moderation.
The problem is, it's not nearly enough to keep up with the prices for basic goods.
5518
« on: January 09, 2015, 09:03:53 PM »
I would love it so damn much if we can go back a couple of decades where anybody could be middle-class, have a simple high school diploma, and be a manager at a department store or wherever
People back then also weren't nearly as educated. But sure, go ahead and travel back in time. I'm sure you'd fit in perfectly.
Yep, just 20 years ago people were running around in nothing but a loin cloth and throwing rocks at animals to see what would be a better tool for hunting. Seriously, would it be any harm for you to think for once? If anybody would fit perfectly with cavemen it would be you
Twenty years ago, there was no internet for the general consumer. Phones were still tethered to a wall with a 20ft cable. Hell, have you seen their fashion?
It may only have been 20 years ago, but the world was quite different.
And that matters exactly how?
Because Kinder - you say shit like "Oh, I wish we could go back twenty years to where things were so much better!" - and then say "Oh, what does that matter" when some of the biggest innovations weren't even around. Guess what - prices of products have gone up, wages for entry level jobs, along with positions like managers, has not significantly changed. Great, in 1995, you could live modestly as a manager. Shit was cheaper then.
5519
« on: January 09, 2015, 08:57:58 PM »
FYI to get a good job anywhere you already need a degree of some sort. It's not going to devalue the diploma any more than it already is. Plus that implies that everyone passes and gets it.
What exactly is wrong with having more educated people anyway?
Yeah, you need a degree now because people keep pushing the idea that somehow to be successful, you need a piece of paper saying you were able to stay awake for a certain amount of hours. I would love it so damn much if we can go back a couple of decades where anybody could be middle-class, have a simple high school diploma, and be a manager at a department store or wherever
> Manager at a department store
We're really reaching for some careers here.
Not everyone can be an astrophysicist. Someone's gotta provide them with material goods and access to said goods. Managerial positions aren't a bad job, and always have the prospect of moving from department to location to district.
Any higher, and yeah... you'll need that paper that people like to substitute for experience and common sense.
Exactly - managerial jobs are something most people can do without a college career. That doesn't make it a good career.
Because to qualify as a "good career" a position must require a college degree... right...
No - something that qualifies as a "good career" means the career, along with pay and benefits, will easily be able to sustain an adequate, modest lifestyle for you (and your loved ones), preferably being something you enjoy doing.
Of course, this is my definition. You may think otherwise.
I see plenty of management and leadership type roles in blue collar environments around here that can more than adequately provide a decent middle class lifestyle to a typical family.
That's great - here in New York State, you're screwed if that is your sole career.
Which is why NY is seeing more people moving to states with lesser taxes and better living accommodations
Thanks for the common knowledge?
5520
« on: January 09, 2015, 08:57:32 PM »
Did you even bother to look at the link I posted? About 35% of graduates are unemployed because the increase of people obtaining degrees. There's simply no market to accommodate these people and in return they have to spend even more time and money just to have a better chance when they shouldn't in the first place
Let me ask - does the link state what careers they are in at all?
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