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« on: February 03, 2017, 11:47:58 AM »
As revealed in courtOver 100,000 visas have been revoked as a result of President Trump’s ban on travel from seven predominantly Muslim countries, an attorney for the government revealed in Alexandria federal court Friday.
The number came out during a hearing in a lawsuit filed by attorneys for two Yemeni brothers who arrived at Dulles International Airport last Saturday. They were coerced into giving up their legal resident visas, they argue, and quickly put on a return flight to Ethiopia.
“The number 100,000 sucked the air out of my lungs,” said Simon Sandoval-Moshenberg of the Legal Aid Justice Center, who represents the brothers.
The government attorney, Erez Reuveni from the Justice Department’s Office of Immigration Litigation, could not say how many people with visas were sent back to their home countries from Dulles in response to the travel ban. However, he did say that all people with green cards who came through the airport have been let into the United States.
For people like the brothers, Tareq and Ammar Aqel Mohammed Aziz, who tried to enter the country over the weekend with valid visas and were sent back, the government appears to be attempting a case-by-case reprieve. They and other plaintiffs in lawsuits around the country are being offered new visas and the opportunity to come to the U.S. in exchange for dropping their suits.
Virginia Solicitor General Stuart Raphael said such a piecemeal approach was not sufficient, since it is not clear how many people were turned away at Dulles or other airports. The state had sought to join the suit, saying it impacted many state residents.
“There’s something very troubling about the way this is playing out,” Raphael said. “While I am pleased that they are willing to whisk people back if they come to our attention, they won’t come to our attention if we don’t know who they are.”
He said, for instance, that Virginia officials have learned that a George Mason University student from Libya is stuck in Turkey due to the ban.
Judge Leonie M. Brinkema allowed Virginia to join the Aziz brothers’ suit.
Noting that she presided over the case of 9/11 conspirator Zacarias Moussaoui, Brinkema said she had never before faced such interest in a legal dispute. Other judges dealing with lawsuits against the order around the country, she said, have told her of similar experiences.
“I have never had so much public outpouring as I’ve seen in this case,” she said. “This order touched something in the United States that I’ve never seen before. It’s amazing.”
For the order itself, she had some harsh words, though she said the president has “almost unfettered” power in the realm of borders and national security.
“It’s quite clear that not all the thought went into it that should have gone into it,” Brinkema said. “There has been chaos. . .without any kind of actual hard evidence that there is a need” to revoke visas already granted. People had relied on their visas as valid, she said; families had expected to be reunited with loved ones.
Bringing back individuals who have sued after failing to get into the country is a good step, she said, but “I don’t think it’s far enough.”
Outside the courthouse, Virginia Attorney General Mark Herring said he was “really pleased the judge recognized real harm is happening in Virginia.”
Brinkema declined to hold government officials in contempt for the way they handled travelers from the seven banned countries over the weekend, saying she did not know enough Friday to make that determination. Virginia had cited news reports and affidavits from lawmakers that, contrary to an order Brinkema issued last weekend, Customs and Border Patrol officers denied immigrants access to lawyers.
“There were so many lawyers there willing to help, and not a single one got access,” Raphael said.
Reuveni said that security at Dulles bars lawyers from anything but telephone access to people in screening.
Brinkema said she would expand the order and extend it another week but has not yet released the details. It really stands to question whether or not the Trump administration is going to heed to judicial review that's bound to come in the next several months and years regarding this executive order - particularly after what has been a long and confusing rollout this week.
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« on: February 02, 2017, 11:11:01 PM »
Yeah, fuck ethics commissions.
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« on: February 02, 2017, 06:47:39 PM »
Milo's free speech isn't being violated 
Absolutely it is.
An institution choosing not to host an individual, or individual students choosing not to attend a talk or even to protest it, is not comparable to a few hundred Antifa and black bloc radicals rioting.
It's not unreasonable to say that platforms being blocked by coercion and violence, governmental or not, is a violation of free speech.
Eh, I question that line of thinking as I don't believe any state or federal court here in the states have ever ruled free speech infringements. Flee or someone can correct me if I'm wrong, since I'm not well aware of many court issues. At the same time, I also want to bring about a report from the SFTimes that came out before Milo's speech or the beginning of the protests, which claims UC Berkeley officials are warning the hosts of a Wednesday night event featuring right-wing provocateur Milo Yiannopoulos that his campus speech may be used to target individual students in the country without documentation.
“We are deeply concerned for all students’ safety and ability to pursue their education here at Cal beyond Milo’s speech,” the university’s Office of Student Affairs said in a letter Tuesday to the Berkeley College Republicans, the students hosting the event. “Milo’s event may be used to target individuals, either in the audience or by using their personal information in a way that causes them to become human targets to serve a political agenda.”
The letter expressed concerns that Yiannopoulos — a British writer for the right-wing opinion site Breitbart News — will use his appearance to kick off a campaign “targeting the undocumented student community on our campus,” and linked to an article published Tuesday on the site.
The article begins: “Milo and the (conservative think tank) David Horowitz Freedom Center have teamed up to take down the growing phenomenon of ‘sanctuary campuses’ that shelter illegal immigrants from being deported.” While it doesn't change my condemnation of the protests, it also doesn't help Milo's case that he's being targeted - especially if it was true he planned to single out and publicly call out students. Again.
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« on: February 02, 2017, 05:20:34 PM »
god icy you're such a fucking faggot. you make me hate myself.
Then my day has been successful
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« on: February 02, 2017, 04:12:59 PM »
I think Icy is mad that there's a gay out there who is even more fab than him.
Let's not talk about TBlocks like that.
Oh daaaamn
When will the mod brutality end
When you quit using your teeth
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« on: February 02, 2017, 03:23:59 PM »
I think Icy is mad that there's a gay out there who is even more fab than him.
Let's not talk about TBlocks like that.
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« on: February 02, 2017, 03:05:48 PM »
Is it unheard of for an incumbent president to have to go into another primary in his second term election?
Unheard of? No - Nixon was challenged by Pete McCloskey in 72, Reagan challenged Ford in 76, Ted Kennedy went up against Carter in 80, and George Bush Sr. got challenged by Pat Buchanan in 92. None of the challengers won, but outside of Nixon, the incumbents they challenged ended up losing in the general and ended up serving only one term.
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« on: February 02, 2017, 02:55:21 PM »
All jokes aside, I would have been fine with Bush or Rubio as President.
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« on: February 02, 2017, 01:55:09 PM »
Kek.
You know, it's pretty nice having a Chrome widget that points out every false statement and lie that Trump tweets This mischaracterizes what happened at the school -- but Trump doesn't have the power to cut these funds unilaterally anyway
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« on: February 02, 2017, 01:49:45 PM »
Honestly, Its all good. Keep this stuff up and Trump will win 45+ states in 2020.
Quit the whining, snowflake.
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« on: February 02, 2017, 01:27:21 PM »
I don't know who Laci Green is
inb4 she's called ugly.
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« on: February 02, 2017, 01:20:17 PM »
The left riots because they want to take the first amendment away from a gay, legal immigrant.
Oh good, I get to use this again.
Didn't know burning down a Wells Fargo bank is a form of "criticism". Learn something new every day.
I'm glad that's the message you took, and certainly not the message that Milo's free speech isn't being violated
I don't know why you bother with him when he literally admitted he'll be a brick wall, regardless of if facts prove him wrong.
You're right. I'm totally the one in the wrong here. Sorry I can't defend intentional rioting to suppress a GAY, IMMIGRANT from speaking.
Such a precious snowflake.
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« on: February 02, 2017, 01:19:18 PM »
The left riots because they want to take the first amendment away from a gay, legal immigrant.
Oh good, I get to use this again.
Didn't know burning down a Wells Fargo bank is a form of "criticism". Learn something new every day.
I'm glad that's the message you took, and certainly not the message that Milo's free speech isn't being violated
I don't know why you bother with him when he literally admitted he'll be a brick wall, regardless of if facts prove him wrong.
Boredom.
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« on: February 02, 2017, 01:17:13 PM »
I don't know who Laci Green is, but false flags like Mattress Girl has really made the topic of Rape Culture hard to stomach. What kind of speaking does she do?
Like I have to deal with Laci Green coming to my school to berate us about ""rape culture"".
You poor thing, would you like a tissue and a safe space?
Laci
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« on: February 02, 2017, 01:12:49 PM »
Are people really victim blaming Milo for the riot? smh not very progressive
No one is.
Of course not, he just shouldn't be invited to schools because he polarizing.
The same way a far-left anarchist shouldn't be invited to universities to be touted as representing the left. I'd denounce that the same way I denounce Milo speaking at universities and giving his factually inaccurate views a platform and voice.
I don't see how he's factually inaccurate. But regardless, anyone should get the right to speak and share their views and ideas.
Oh, he's having no difficulty doing that through his job at Breitbart, his biography, his viral rants. Let's not pretend Milo isn't going to get his voice out because this speech got cancelled. Like I have to deal with Laci Green coming to my school to berate us about ""rape culture"".
You poor thing, would you like a tissue and a safe space?
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« on: February 02, 2017, 01:03:27 PM »
Are people really victim blaming Milo for the riot? smh not very progressive
No one is.
Of course not, he just shouldn't be invited to schools because he polarizing.
The same way a far-left anarchist shouldn't be invited to universities to be touted as representing the left. I'd denounce that the same way I denounce Milo speaking at universities and giving his factually inaccurate views a platform and voice.
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« on: February 02, 2017, 12:59:37 PM »
Are people really victim blaming Milo for the riot? smh not very progressive
No one is.
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« on: February 02, 2017, 12:42:29 PM »
Yeah but PSU isn't speaking at a university with hundreds if not thousands of people critiquing what he's saying.
It really isn't. Look at how it works with PSU. It doesn't matter how many people are there - the rhetorical devices and actions are still the same. Trying to debate Milo is the same as us trying to debate PSU - it just turns into yelling. I'd say the same thing about a far-left person speaking - they are not people who's opinions need to be propagated and heard as credible.
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« on: February 02, 2017, 12:39:00 PM »
The left riots because they want to take the first amendment away from a gay, legal immigrant.
Oh good, I get to use this again.
Didn't know burning down a Wells Fargo bank is a form of "criticism". Learn something new every day.
I'm glad that's the message you took, and certainly not the message that Milo's free speech isn't being violated
Its not? People literally wanted to riot to keep him from speaking. It was planned days in advance on twitter and other social media.
Kind of sounds like suppressing his right to speak to me.
I wasn't aware that the government was protesting Milo and keeping him from speaking. They aren't? Then it isn't a freedom of speech violation.
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« on: February 02, 2017, 12:37:26 PM »
I don't know Icy, I just think it'd be easy to tear him apart if all he can do is say shitty rhetoric without facts.
Milo is not one of those people - he's a grandstander who likes to say shitty things about people, and then whines when he's banned from social media accounts, has his speaking licenses at universities revoked, etc. It really isn't. Look at how it works with PSU.
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« on: February 02, 2017, 12:35:38 PM »
The left riots because they want to take the first amendment away from a gay, legal immigrant.
Oh good, I get to use this again.
Didn't know burning down a Wells Fargo bank is a form of "criticism". Learn something new every day.
I'm glad that's the message you took, and certainly not the message that Milo's free speech isn't being violated
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« on: February 02, 2017, 12:31:35 PM »
The left riots because they want to take the first amendment away from a gay, legal immigrant.
Oh good, I get to use this again.
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« on: February 02, 2017, 12:10:16 PM »
Is this any different than when Mahmoud Ahmadinejad spoke at a university? It's the best possible place to defeat his beliefs with facts and statistics. This only gives Milo the ammo to say the rioters were afraid of losing a debate or having to counter-argue despite the fact that if he is so wrong it should be easy to do. Not letting him speak is doing more harm than good. I'd argue that it is, because Ahmadinejad was a international political figure, elected President of Iran, etc etc. The problem with inviting people like Milo (or any polarizing figure from the far-left) is that these are not people are who looking for a debate, to have a civilized discussion. These are people who routinely engage in abhorrent attacks on people who disagree with their views, make little to no effort to actually have educational discussions, etc. If a university wants to have educational opportunities for debates with the opposing side, there are plenty of conservatives (or liberals, if you go to a conservative school) that are willing to actually debate and have discussions with students that don't amount to spouting views with no basis in fact. Milo is not one of those people - he's a grandstander who likes to say shitty things about people, and then whines when he's banned from social media accounts, has his speaking licenses at universities revoked, etc.
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« on: February 02, 2017, 11:58:11 AM »
Damn it Meta, making me do shit.
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« on: February 02, 2017, 11:56:35 AM »
While I don't condone the protest turning violent and damaging, I also don't agree with Milo being invited to UC Berkley or any other university.
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« on: February 01, 2017, 11:03:46 PM »
Trudeau is a communist.
ftfy
I would suck his communist cock and enjoy every minute of it.
Hey, that's TBlocks's job! GIVE IT BACK!! IT WAS HIS!!
Oh please, that twink can't even deepthroat.
I think that TBlocks needs to prove you wrong.
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« on: February 01, 2017, 10:59:37 PM »
Trudeau is a communist.
ftfy
I would suck his communist cock and enjoy every minute of it.
Hey, that's TBlocks's job! GIVE IT BACK!! IT WAS HIS!!
Oh please, that twink can't even deepthroat.
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« on: February 01, 2017, 10:53:16 PM »
Trudeau is a communist.
ftfy
I would suck his communist cock and enjoy every minute of it.
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« on: February 01, 2017, 10:50:50 PM »
Is it too late for me to say fuck it and move to Canada?
Trudeau is bae
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