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Serious / Re: Bernie endorsing Hillary
« on: July 12, 2016, 12:36:27 PM »
I doubt it's about supporting Hillary. It's about opposing Trump, and showing your solidatarity with the enemy of your enemy.

^

Sanders (and many of his supporters) know that Clinton would be a far better President than Trump, even in light of their differences in views.

Trump is the complete antithesis of what Sanders wants. It's no surprise he'd endorse Clinton to stop him.


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The Flood / Re: Is anything being done to improve the site?
« on: July 12, 2016, 10:24:49 AM »
Gaming night when?

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Serious / Pence, Gingrich Tops List of Potential Trump VP's
« on: July 12, 2016, 10:15:38 AM »
Announcement Expected within the Next Week

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Indeed, Pence has been going through the motions of a potential running mate. He and his wife met with Trump earlier this month at the Trump National Golf Club in Bedminster, N.J., where the two men also played a round of golf.

“Spent time with Indiana Governor Mike Pence and family yesterday,” Trump tweeted afterward. “Very impressed, great people!”

Trump is expected to announce his decision this week, with the national convention set to commence Monday in Cleveland. Pence, meanwhile, faces a Friday deadline to withdraw from the Indiana ballot seeking re-election.

Still, an element of suspense remains. Trump has said he values unpredictability, and his VP preferences have seemed to shift on almost a daily basis. Still, a short list has emerged; Gingrich and Flynn have been in the conversation since early May.

But Gingrich and Pence have appeared to crystallize in recent days as the strongest potential candidates, judging by remarks made by Trump’s aides or the candidate himself. Christie does not have Washington political experience, one Trump ally noted; and, if Trump were to select a governor as his running mate, Pence’s record in Indiana would be easier to defend.

Although Gingrich or Christie might be a more ferocious attack dog than Pence, Trump has already assumed this role himself, perhaps opening the door for a more low-key running mate.

Pence, of course, has his own potential pitfalls, including the national backlash he incurred last year over a law that would have allowed Indiana businesses to deny services to gay and lesbian couples. He later changed the law in response to the outcry.

Trump’s campaign has been assessing these pros and cons during a formal vetting process, for which Pence has reportedly submitted documents.

Still, as the chatter about Pence has grown louder, he has nevertheless continued to run his own campaign for re-election. He stopped by the Bartholomew County 4-H Fair on Monday, where he toured barns filled with cattle and swine, according to local reports.

But Indiana Republicans are preparing for Pence to take on another campaign.

Said Seat, “Everyone here is operating as if this is happening.”

Thoughts?

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Hillary might start WWIII, so in that sense a lot worse president than Obama.

What?

1445
Serious / Re: Theresa May to be next British Prime Memester
« on: July 11, 2016, 10:06:03 AM »
Clinton-Merkel-May when?

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Serious / Re: *Official Sep7agon Presidential Poll*
« on: July 11, 2016, 10:03:24 AM »
Sanders is Expected to Endorse Clinton Tomorrow

The primaries will officially end over the next two weeks.

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Serious / Re: Trump: 42%, Clinton: 40%
« on: July 10, 2016, 02:14:12 AM »
Comey probably destroyed the cunt's chances.

Not showing in the first polls to come out post-press conference.

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Serious / Re: No evidence Orlando shooter was gay
« on: July 08, 2016, 04:02:36 PM »
The one thing I wonder though, couldn't you just delete all the apps and data? He knew he was going to die doing this especially since he himself called 911, so maybe he tried covering up his past?

I'm not sure what kind of mobile device Mateen used, but if it was an iPhone, app download history would be available.


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Serious / Re: No evidence Orlando shooter was gay
« on: July 08, 2016, 12:20:37 PM »
I'll address this a bit more when I'm home

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Serious / Re: 10 Officers Shot, 3 Dead in Dallas
« on: July 08, 2016, 08:40:41 AM »
Anarchist Memes on Facebook highlighted this issue with a lovely "Fuck the Police".


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Serious / Re: 10 Officers Shot, 3 Dead in Dallas
« on: July 07, 2016, 11:50:35 PM »
A suspect is in custody, and a person of interest has turned himself in.

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Serious / 10 Officers Shot, 3 Dead in Dallas
« on: July 07, 2016, 10:52:37 PM »
Story

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DALLAS -- Dallas Police Chief David Brown has confirmed at least 10 police officers were shot and at least three were killed in an attack by two snipers in downtown Dallas at a protest of officer-involved shootings across the country.

"Tonight it appears that two snipers shot ten police officers from elevated positions during the protest/rally," Brown wrote in a statement. "Three officers are deceased, two are in surgery and three are in critical condition. An intensive search for suspects is currently underway. No suspects are in custody at this time. We ask that any citizen with information regarding the shootings tonight call 214-671-3482."

The shot officers include both Dallas police and DART officers.

It remains an active-shooter situation. Police have asked everyone to get to safety and avoid downtown Dallas.

There will be a news conference in the next half-hour to update the situation.

The shots were fired as the march was moving down Lamar Street near Griffin before 9 p.m.

An officer at the scene told News 8's Marie Saavedra the shooter has a rifle.  She described several volleys of quick bursts of gunfire.

A bystander who was at the scene told News 8 the shooter stood by as the rally passed him, then opened fire on officers.

Another bystander, Richard Adams, said the protest was "a lovely, peaceful march," until they were walking down Commerce Street near the Bank of America building parking garage when he heard what sounded like "a bunch of firecrackers going off."

"Everybody just stopped -- 'Run, run for your lives!' Women with children and babies and everybody was chaotically running. And then, maybe I was a half-a-block away, calming down a little bit when we heard it again. [...] There must have been five times tonight -- whenever we thought we were safe, people said 'Run, people were shot!'"

The shooting took place near El Centro College. it has announced classes are cancelled on Friday.


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Serious / Re: Trump: 42%, Clinton: 40%
« on: July 07, 2016, 09:54:30 PM »
You know who else was predicted to win by polls? Bernie Sanders.

Not really.

From that very long, exhaustive list of polls - Sanders only was ahead in 5.
Eh, fair enough

My point is that using polls to say a certain candidate is gonna win is dumb and annoying. You can pick through polls to find ones that show your guy winning in either case, and even Brexit was predicted to stay by a lot of highly reputable polls, so it's just...I dunno, it's not news.

Polling can be somewhat reliable, if done and studied right.

For example - With Meta's original poll, the group running the poll and collecting data has been accused (With good reason) of underscoring minority support and leaning toward the Republican candidates. So while they may be decent when averaged out with polls of similar sizes, they aren't worth much standalone. Other polls, including Quinnipac and the PPP, are widely seen as more accurate and neutral.

On top of that, national polling is seen as a poor option because we don't vote as a nation - each state gets it's own say, and the people in Florida are going to have vastly different opinions than the people of Montana do in terms of priorities and desires from a candidate. It's why in battleground states, it's particularly important to focus on state polling, which includes likely voters in that state alone. 

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Serious / Re: Trump: 42%, Clinton: 40%
« on: July 07, 2016, 09:44:43 PM »
You know who else was predicted to win by polls? Bernie Sanders.

Not really.

From that very long, exhaustive list of polls - Sanders only was ahead in 5.

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Serious / Re: Trump: 42%, Clinton: 40%
« on: July 07, 2016, 09:15:30 PM »
With that being said, with both options fucking me over in the same manner, what do I have left to go by on my choice between the two than what their voter base spews out?

The individual candidates various policies, no matter how shitty they are? Voting third party? A coin toss?

Not just you, but basing your vote on grassroots supporters (And more precisely, internet supporters, is incredibly uninformed and quite frankly, stupid. Especially when 99.99% of those supporters would have no say in or how said administration is run.

But every attack that demonizes me for not voting a certain way drives me much closer to saying "Fuck it! You want me to be a racist bigot so bad? Fine, you got it!" In the end who really lost?

Minority groups? You effectively said you would punish them through voting in a racist bigot, because mean people on the internet hurt your feelings.

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Serious / Re: The State Dept. Will Restart The Email Probe
« on: July 07, 2016, 09:12:06 PM »
At the very least she should never hold a security clearance again, which has the effect of disqualifying her from any position of public power.

Would never happen, especially with the possibility of her winning the election before the probe ends.

I wouldn't be surprised if State and National Security Directors get a stronger authority on her, assuming she does win. Not sure how that would work, but the US Government has made stranger things happen.

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Serious / Re: Trump: 42%, Clinton: 40%
« on: July 07, 2016, 07:25:33 PM »
If I hear anymore hypocritical rhetoric demonizing literally anyone that doesn't vote the way of the left, I'd gladly vote for the Char clone out of spite. I already want this country to burn, and Trump will get us there faster. If people don't want me voting for him, they're doing themselves no favors and shooting themselves in the foot throwing the same insults at me that they've been doing for the past eight years.

So you want a terrible person to be elected in spite? Regardless of the ramifications?

If you seriously base your vote on what supporters of a candidate say, you aren't someone who is really informed.

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Gaming / Microsoft Amends "Play Anywhere" Description
« on: July 07, 2016, 04:09:14 PM »
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When I reported on the update last week, the description on the announcement read: "Every new title published from Microsoft Studios will support Xbox Play Anywhere ..."

Since then, a subtle difference has crept in. Can you spot it? "Every new title published from Microsoft Studios that we showed onstage at E3 this year will support Xbox Play Anywhere ..."


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The Flood / Re: i start driver's ed today
« on: July 07, 2016, 02:55:36 PM »
What're you driving, car wise?

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As an uninformed American, what're their stances on the recent British hullabaloo?
May was for Remain, but quietly so. Probably because she could position herself as a 'unity' candidate whichever side won.

Leadsom was for Brexit.

If May were to become the PM, is there a chance she ignores, or delays, the process of leaving?

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As an uninformed American, what're their stances on the recent British hullabaloo?

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Serious / Re: Trump: 42%, Clinton: 40%
« on: July 07, 2016, 01:15:32 PM »
So you want a terrible person to be elected in spite? Regardless of the ramifications?

I don't really care. He won't be allowed to do anything drastic anyway.

I think you underestimate the power of Congressional Republicans to stop a President from their own party.

They're still reeling from the 2010 elections, in terms of the split in the party. If Trump wants something, he'll likely get it.

Now, whether or not it's his exact plan is a completely seperate issue.

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Serious / Re: Trump: 42%, Clinton: 40%
« on: July 07, 2016, 11:21:09 AM »
It's in line with previous polls by Rasmussen, with Trump holding a 2-5 point lead on Clinton. This doesn't seem to indicate that the FBI's decision directly hurt Clinton's numbers, at least from their polling data.

I don't put much stake into what they poll, at least not this early. Rasmussen has had the problem of under-including minority voters - in 2012, the group estimated 26% of voters would be non-white; that number was actually 28%, which many say boosted Obama in swing states. They also predicted Romney would edge out Obama in the polls (315 to 223), including predicting Romney would win Ohio, Colorado, Florida, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin. He lost all of them. 

Meanwhile, Reuters has Clinton up 11 when just versus Trump, and up 9 when including Johnson and Stein. Polling for their data ran from the 2nd to the 6th, so it did include 2 days pre-FBI, 2 days post-FBI (Assuming they didn't run calls on the 4th).

Of course, this is assuming that national polling is more reliable than state polling. Which it isn't.

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Recommends no charges to be brought against Clinton, though cites possibility that hostile actors had access to emails, incredible carelessness by the entire Clinton administration, and sharing of top secret information on the private server.


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WASHINGTON — The F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, on Tuesday said “no reasonable prosecutor” would bring a case against Hillary Clinton for her handling of classified information as secretary of state. The F.B.I.’s recommendation will have an enormous impact on the presidential election.

Mr. Comey said the F.B.I. is not recommending charges against Mrs. Clinton to the Justice Department. But he said Mrs. Clinton and her staff were “extremely careless” in their use of email.

The statements by Mr. Comey concluded an investigation that began a year ago when the inspector general for the intelligence agencies told the Justice Department that he had found classified information among a small sampling of emails Mrs. Clinton had sent and received.

The inspector general, I. Charles McCullough III, said the emails contained information that was classified at the time they were sent but were not marked classified, and the information should never have been sent on an unclassified system.

The discovery of Mrs. Clinton’s email practices grew out of a request by the House Select Committee on Benghazi for communications between Mrs. Clinton and other officials surrounding the September 2012 attack on the diplomatic outpost in Benghazi, Libya, that killed four Americans, including Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens.

As lawyers for the State Department gathered materials, they discovered that Mrs. Clinton had used a personal, non-government address for her email and routed the messages through a server, kept in her home in Chappaqua, N.Y.

After a negotiation between the State Department and Mrs. Clinton’s lawyers, she agreed to turn over 55,000 pages of email from her time as secretary of state. She withheld email – roughly half the total number of messages – that she said touched on personal issues, from yoga classes to the flower arrangements for her daughter’s wedding.

The State Department turned over to the House committee roughly 800 emails pertaining to Benghazi. Mrs. Clinton asked the department to release the remaining trove of emails, which set off a complicated, politically charged process of vetting each one to determine whether it contained classified information.

The C.I.A., the State Department, and other agencies reviewed the emails, designating hundreds of them with varying levels of classification.

Mrs. Clinton has asserted that she did not send or receive any information marked classified at the time it was sent. But about two-dozen emails were designated “top secret,” the highest level of classification, and Mrs. Clinton’s critics say she jeopardized national security.

Several of those pertained to the C.I.A.’s drone program in Pakistan, which is a covert program, though it is widely reported in the Pakistani and American news media.

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Not to blame you, but the notion that heterosexual parents would establish a better environment simply due to who they fuck is laughable.

It isn't about "who they fuck", it's about the child having both a mother and a father figure. That's what's important.

Lacking either of those things can create the sub-optimal living conditions I was previously talking about. I'm surprised you didn't pick up on that.

Which children can get from extended family members (Grandparents, uncles/aunts), family friends, and education instructors - if not just from their parents.

I'm surprised that you would resort to such a silly argument, especially in 2016.

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And it has also yet to be determined whether homosexual marriages establish a healthy growing environment for a child.

The argument or debate should never be "Homosexual parents would establish a suboptimal growing environment", but shitty parents of any sexuality would.

Not to blame you, but the notion that heterosexual parents would establish a better environment simply due to who they fuck is laughable.

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Serious / Re: UK-US trade deal in Congress
« on: July 01, 2016, 11:00:16 PM »
I'm curious if it will actually make it through Congress before the August recess - if it doesn't, it will be tabled until after November


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That'll go up once Hillary's indicted.
She won't be, but considering how unlikable she is, and how she's had her best few weeks and he's had his worst, yet he's still close? Yeah, it shouldn't be this close.

It really isn't, if you actually go state by state. Both Clinton and Trump have their usual bastions of support (Northeast and West Coast for Clinton, Montana to Alabama for Trump) - problem is that Trump is underperforming in states that he, as a Republican, should be leading. Places like Georgia and Arizona are within a couple points of a Clinton lead due to minority support, giving her an even greater advantage.

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Serious / Re: Unofficial Brexit Thread
« on: June 29, 2016, 08:41:18 PM »
WE WANT OUR THREADS BACK

TAKE BACK CONTROL FROM THE MODS IN BRUSSELS

VOTE NO TO GLOBALIST MEGA THREADS

The referendum to unmerge the threads has failed

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Serious / Nate Silver: Trump Has "20% Chance of Becoming President"
« on: June 29, 2016, 08:38:23 PM »
Election Forecast, State by State

Write Up

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How do you predict a general election with Donald Trump?

We can think of a few basic approaches. One of them is to assert that precedent doesn’t apply to this election and that Trump’s case is sui generis. It’s not clear where that leads you, however.

If Trump is “unpredictable,” a phrase we heard used to describe him so often during the primaries, does that mean his chances of defeating Hillary Clinton are 50/50? If that’s what you think, you have the opportunity to make a highly profitable wager. Betting markets put Trump’s chances at only 20 percent to 25 percent instead.

In fact, despite (or perhaps because of) the unusual nature of his candidacy, the conventional wisdom holds that Trump is a fairly substantial underdog. In contrast to 2012, when there were frequent arguments over how solid President Obama’s lead in the polls was, there hasn’t been much of a conflict between “data journalists” and “traditional journalists” on this question of Trump’s chances. Nor has there been one between professionals who cover the campaign and the public; most experts expect Trump to lose, but so do most voters.

But should this seeming consensus give us more confidence — or make us nervous that we’re underestimating Trump again?

Giving Trump a 20 percent or 25 percent chance of becoming president means that Clinton has a 75 percent to 80 percent chance. That might seem generous given that, under ordinary circumstances, the background conditions of this election (no incumbent running and a mediocre economy) would seem to suggest a tossup. Are Clinton’s high odds justified on the basis of the polls? Or do they require making heroic assumptions about Trump, the same ones that got everyone, emphatically including yours truly, in trouble during the primaries?

The short answer is that 20 percent or 25 percent is a pretty reasonable estimate of Trump’s chances based on the polls and other empirical evidence. In fact, that’s quite close to where FiveThirtyEight’s statistical models, which are launching today, have the race. Our polls-only model has Trump with a 19 percent chance of beating Clinton as of early Wednesday afternoon. (The forecasts will continually update as new polls are added.) Our polls-plus model, which considers economic conditions along with the polls, is more optimistic about Trump, giving him a 26 percent chance.

Still, Trump faces longer odds and a bigger polling deficit than John McCain and Mitt Romney did at the same point in their respective races. He needs to look back to 1988 for comfort, when George H.W. Bush overcame a similar deficit against Michael Dukakis to win. Our models are built from data since 1972, so the probabilities we list account for elections such as 1980, 1988 and 1992, when the polls swung fairly wildly, along with others, such as 2004 and 2012, where the polls were quite stable.

If the middling economy is one silver lining for Trump, another is his swing state polls, which don’t seem to be as bad for him as his national polls. They aren’t good by any means, either, but whereas Trump trails Clinton by 6.7 percentage points in our average of national polls, according to our polls-only model, he’s down 4.8 points in our adjusted polling average of Ohio, 5.7 points in Florida, 3.9 points in Iowa, and 2.0 points in Colorado, for instance.

Again, we don’t mean to suggest that these are great numbers for Trump; the Florida result, for example, would represent the worst loss by a Republican there since 1948. Nonetheless, and somewhat in contrast to the conventional wisdom, our model suggests that Trump is more likely to win the Electoral College while losing the popular vote than the other way around. (Though the chances of either scenario are small.)

Some of this may be because we just haven’t had all that much swing state polling; it’s possible we’ll see leads for Clinton in the mid- to high single digits as these states are polled more often. Just this morning, for example, the firm Evolving Strategies published a set of polls in swing states showing Clinton leading Trump by 10 percentage points, on average. If there are more numbers like those, the model will adjust accordingly.

But there’s another potential explanation, which is that Trump is badly underperforming in red states, presumably as a result of having failed to consolidate the Republican base. That may put some traditionally red states into play for Clinton. For instance, Arizona, Missouri, North Carolina and the 2nd Congressional District of Nebraska4 are all tossups, according to the polls-only model. (Polls-plus has Trump narrowly favored in these places.)

Some of these states could be useful to Clinton. Arizona, in particular, could help Clinton put together some winning maps based on Western or heavily Hispanic states, even if she loses much of the industrial Midwest. Others, such as Missouri, are probably more superfluous. They could potentially add to Clinton’s Electoral College margin, but they aren’t likely to be tipping-point states that make the difference between her winning and losing.

That goes doubly for states such as Texas, Utah, Kansas and Alaska, where polls have often shown a single-digit margin for Trump and have occasionally even had Clinton winning. Republicans are used to racking up huge numbers of votes in these states, bolstering their standing in the national popular vote. If Trump wins Texas by only 6 percentage points instead of 16, that will hurt his popular-vote margin without affecting his Electoral College odds much.

Is the reverse also true? Is Trump overperforming in blue states, relative to how a Republican usually does? It depends on where you look. The Northeast was Trump’s strongest region in the primaries, and he’s gotten relatively good numbers — although he still trails Clinton — in polls of New Jersey, Connecticut and Maine. (He also leads Clinton in one poll of Maine’s 2nd Congressional District, which would be worth one electoral vote.5) However, he’s losing by typical margins in New York and California, where he has vowed to compete.

Overall, the polls so far suggest a slightly less polarized electorate and a somewhat wider playing field than we’ve gotten used to in recent years. That’s a potentially refreshing change, although it may prove to be ephemeral as both Clinton and Trump have room to grow with their party bases and could gain ground in traditionally blue and red states as a result.

More background on Silver's polling data and such at the write up.

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