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8401
« on: October 28, 2014, 05:02:24 PM »
The thing that bothers me most about religion [Christianity in particular] is that no success is my own. All of the years of practice, training, and experience don't make me good at what I do; God does. It's not the coaches and teammates; it's God. It's not the teachers, tutors, and professors; it's God.
No, motherfucker. I worked hard for this shit. This is mine. You can't take it away from me.
I think you simply don't realize how it works.
>God creates everything
>People use what God created to do things for themselves and others
>People achieve things with what they created
>Thank God for allowing it all to be possible
Nobody is saying you didn't earn anything, nobody is saying that you or your teachers and friends and family didn't do anything to make whatever was achieved possible. All it is, is that God made it possible for it all to happen.
Sorry, but this argument always bugs me.
See, that's the problem. If God created everything, I am forever indebted to him for something he didn't have a hand in. It seems no different than the mob requiring business owners to pay "protection" fees. A portion of the business's earnings go to the mob even though the mob did nothing to earn it.
Except God isn't going to cripple you for not giving thanks to him. It's a courtesy, a humble acknowledgement, not a bill to pay.
So we're going to ignore the punishment of hell?
But Max, god lets you into heaven if you say you're sorry.
Unless you killed yourself over being in a bad situation that you had no help in.
Then fuck you.
Wut
If you kill someone and go to confession, say 3 hail marys and two our fathers and repent that way - If my understanding of catholic doctrine is correct you are forgiven those sins and can get into heaven if you have your last rites read.
If you commit suicide, you go to hell (Also according to catholic doctrine) as it's considered a mortal sin. This fails to take into account that it's not free will that leads people to choose suicide (In most cases) but is either a combination of an inescapable situation or mental illness.
So if the catholics are right, what kind of god punishes the weak and the ill but forgives the wicked?
There are many sects of Christianity that shouldn't even be called "Christianity".
There aren't even supposed to be denominations. That is cutting up "The Body of Christ". They all have their problems, some more than others.
Mhm, so what would the correct stance be then?
One is a penitent murderer and the other is a mentally ill person that commits suicide, who goes to heaven and who goes to hell?
8402
« on: October 28, 2014, 04:59:14 PM »
The thing that bothers me most about religion [Christianity in particular] is that no success is my own. All of the years of practice, training, and experience don't make me good at what I do; God does. It's not the coaches and teammates; it's God. It's not the teachers, tutors, and professors; it's God.
No, motherfucker. I worked hard for this shit. This is mine. You can't take it away from me.
I think you simply don't realize how it works.
>God creates everything
>People use what God created to do things for themselves and others
>People achieve things with what they created
>Thank God for allowing it all to be possible
Nobody is saying you didn't earn anything, nobody is saying that you or your teachers and friends and family didn't do anything to make whatever was achieved possible. All it is, is that God made it possible for it all to happen.
Sorry, but this argument always bugs me.
See, that's the problem. If God created everything, I am forever indebted to him for something he didn't have a hand in. It seems no different than the mob requiring business owners to pay "protection" fees. A portion of the business's earnings go to the mob even though the mob did nothing to earn it.
Except God isn't going to cripple you for not giving thanks to him. It's a courtesy, a humble acknowledgement, not a bill to pay.
So we're going to ignore the punishment of hell?
But Max, god lets you into heaven if you say you're sorry.
Unless you killed yourself over being in a bad situation that you had no help in.
Then fuck you.
Wut
If you kill someone and go to confession, say 3 hail marys and two our fathers and repent that way - If my understanding of catholic doctrine is correct you are forgiven those sins and can get into heaven if you have your last rites read.
If you commit suicide, you go to hell (Also according to catholic doctrine) as it's considered a mortal sin. This fails to take into account that it's not free will that leads people to choose suicide (In most cases) but is either a combination of an inescapable situation or mental illness.
So if the catholics are right, what kind of god punishes the weak and the ill but forgives the wicked?
What if the Mormons are the only ones that are right?
Dude, the Catholics have always been weird, don't blame us for them. Why anyone would expect a bunch of crazed Italians to get anything done right is beyond me.
Did I just hear that correctly? You called Catholics weird? Tsk tsk.
8403
« on: October 28, 2014, 04:56:55 PM »
I don't see why not.
8404
« on: October 28, 2014, 04:37:19 PM »
What if the Mormons are the only ones that are right?
Dude, the Catholics have always been weird, don't blame us for them. Why anyone would expect a bunch of crazed Italians to get anything done right is beyond me.
Considering the Roman Catholics are the oldest branch and most denominations split from them, plus the fact they are more accepting of evolution as a whole and a Catholic priest first came up with the the big bang theory, I'd really argue otherwise. This is excluding their affinity for kids by the way.
Those denominations split because they were tired of the Catholic church's shit. They did plenty of stuff that didn't make sense to the faith, and so people split off. They were the people that said paying money would allow the Priests to get rid of your sins, they also sent a bunch of children on a crusade thinking God would be with them because they were just children. Like srsly. I don't know how they're exactly more accepting of evolution than anyone else, but okay.
8405
« on: October 28, 2014, 04:30:29 PM »
The thing that bothers me most about religion [Christianity in particular] is that no success is my own. All of the years of practice, training, and experience don't make me good at what I do; God does. It's not the coaches and teammates; it's God. It's not the teachers, tutors, and professors; it's God.
No, motherfucker. I worked hard for this shit. This is mine. You can't take it away from me.
I think you simply don't realize how it works.
>God creates everything
>People use what God created to do things for themselves and others
>People achieve things with what they created
>Thank God for allowing it all to be possible
Nobody is saying you didn't earn anything, nobody is saying that you or your teachers and friends and family didn't do anything to make whatever was achieved possible. All it is, is that God made it possible for it all to happen.
Sorry, but this argument always bugs me.
See, that's the problem. If God created everything, I am forever indebted to him for something he didn't have a hand in. It seems no different than the mob requiring business owners to pay "protection" fees. A portion of the business's earnings go to the mob even though the mob did nothing to earn it.
Except God isn't going to cripple you for not giving thanks to him. It's a courtesy, a humble acknowledgement, not a bill to pay.
So we're going to ignore the punishment of hell?
But Max, god lets you into heaven if you say you're sorry.
Unless you killed yourself over being in a bad situation that you had no help in.
Then fuck you.
Wut
If you kill someone and go to confession, say 3 hail marys and two our fathers and repent that way - If my understanding of catholic doctrine is correct you are forgiven those sins and can get into heaven if you have your last rites read.
If you commit suicide, you go to hell (Also according to catholic doctrine) as it's considered a mortal sin. This fails to take into account that it's not free will that leads people to choose suicide (In most cases) but is either a combination of an inescapable situation or mental illness.
So if the catholics are right, what kind of god punishes the weak and the ill but forgives the wicked?
What if the Mormons are the only ones that are right?
Dude, the Catholics have always been weird, don't blame us for them. Why anyone would expect a bunch of crazed Italians to get anything done right is beyond me.
...but you're still all Christians.
Like that has ever stopped anyone from having different opinions? There are Christians that believe Jesus was white, 6' tall, that the world was created 10,000 years ago and that every word some guys hundreds of years ago decided was okay is the very word of God himself.
8406
« on: October 28, 2014, 04:27:17 PM »
The thing that bothers me most about religion [Christianity in particular] is that no success is my own. All of the years of practice, training, and experience don't make me good at what I do; God does. It's not the coaches and teammates; it's God. It's not the teachers, tutors, and professors; it's God.
No, motherfucker. I worked hard for this shit. This is mine. You can't take it away from me.
I think you simply don't realize how it works.
>God creates everything
>People use what God created to do things for themselves and others
>People achieve things with what they created
>Thank God for allowing it all to be possible
Nobody is saying you didn't earn anything, nobody is saying that you or your teachers and friends and family didn't do anything to make whatever was achieved possible. All it is, is that God made it possible for it all to happen.
Sorry, but this argument always bugs me.
See, that's the problem. If God created everything, I am forever indebted to him for something he didn't have a hand in. It seems no different than the mob requiring business owners to pay "protection" fees. A portion of the business's earnings go to the mob even though the mob did nothing to earn it.
Except God isn't going to cripple you for not giving thanks to him. It's a courtesy, a humble acknowledgement, not a bill to pay.
So we're going to ignore the punishment of hell?
But Max, god lets you into heaven if you say you're sorry.
Unless you killed yourself over being in a bad situation that you had no help in.
Then fuck you.
Wut
If you kill someone and go to confession, say 3 hail marys and two our fathers and repent that way - If my understanding of catholic doctrine is correct you are forgiven those sins and can get into heaven if you have your last rites read.
If you commit suicide, you go to hell (Also according to catholic doctrine) as it's considered a mortal sin. This fails to take into account that it's not free will that leads people to choose suicide (In most cases) but is either a combination of an inescapable situation or mental illness.
So if the catholics are right, what kind of god punishes the weak and the ill but forgives the wicked?
If God loves me then why did he make Ellen Page a Lesbian?
So you would learn to raise your standards.
8407
« on: October 28, 2014, 04:26:23 PM »
The thing that bothers me most about religion [Christianity in particular] is that no success is my own. All of the years of practice, training, and experience don't make me good at what I do; God does. It's not the coaches and teammates; it's God. It's not the teachers, tutors, and professors; it's God.
No, motherfucker. I worked hard for this shit. This is mine. You can't take it away from me.
I think you simply don't realize how it works.
>God creates everything
>People use what God created to do things for themselves and others
>People achieve things with what they created
>Thank God for allowing it all to be possible
Nobody is saying you didn't earn anything, nobody is saying that you or your teachers and friends and family didn't do anything to make whatever was achieved possible. All it is, is that God made it possible for it all to happen.
Sorry, but this argument always bugs me.
See, that's the problem. If God created everything, I am forever indebted to him for something he didn't have a hand in. It seems no different than the mob requiring business owners to pay "protection" fees. A portion of the business's earnings go to the mob even though the mob did nothing to earn it.
Except God isn't going to cripple you for not giving thanks to him. It's a courtesy, a humble acknowledgement, not a bill to pay.
So we're going to ignore the punishment of hell?
But Max, god lets you into heaven if you say you're sorry.
Unless you killed yourself over being in a bad situation that you had no help in.
Then fuck you.
Wut
If you kill someone and go to confession, say 3 hail marys and two our fathers and repent that way - If my understanding of catholic doctrine is correct you are forgiven those sins and can get into heaven if you have your last rites read.
If you commit suicide, you go to hell (Also according to catholic doctrine) as it's considered a mortal sin. This fails to take into account that it's not free will that leads people to choose suicide (In most cases) but is either a combination of an inescapable situation or mental illness.
So if the catholics are right, what kind of god punishes the weak and the ill but forgives the wicked?
What if the Mormons are the only ones that are right? Dude, the Catholics have always been weird, don't blame us for them. Why anyone would expect a bunch of crazed Italians to get anything done right is beyond me.
8408
« on: October 28, 2014, 04:18:02 PM »
your mother loves me very much
Nice to see you again, your!
8409
« on: October 28, 2014, 04:17:12 PM »
It's 5:16PM and I can see the sun for the first time today.
8410
« on: October 28, 2014, 04:14:58 PM »
So does this mean I can have more than 10 crates on a map without having to use mods? GG 343i on doing something right for once. Even if you're still using ugly Halo 4 models.
I hope crates are easy to jump on. I hated Reach where it was almost impossible to jump on crates. That defeated their whole purpose as a scenery piece with a purpose.
Also when Reach made it so crates weigh ~100 tons and cannot be moved by any force on Heaven or Earth. And when they got rid of all the cool scenery pieces from Halo 3.
8411
« on: October 28, 2014, 04:11:18 PM »
Just allow me to say this. God is like politics, if you bring it up there WILL be a debate "no if's and's or but's about it". Just something to think about when making a thread of this subject matter, no matter if you're religious or not.
Spoiler An aside point. There's about as much evidence of God's love as there is of his existence. Call me skeptical. >implying we didn't know this was going to be the Alamo from the start.
8412
« on: October 28, 2014, 04:07:01 PM »
So does this mean I can have more than 10 crates on a map without having to use mods? GG 343i on doing something right for once. Even if you're still using ugly Halo 4 models.
8413
« on: October 28, 2014, 03:31:03 PM »
Why wouldn't there be? God created all things, which means he created hell, too. Like I said, hell would be separation from God, from his creation. Eternal punishment for something God stated he forgave mankind for doesn't make sense. If you don't want God, you don't want anything he created for you to experience, then you end up not getting that. And what of the people God has killed? What about them? The universe is connected as a whole, no death is without purpose or meaning, and death in this world is just the beginning to the next. How do you arrive at this conclusion? I think the first part covers this.
8414
« on: October 28, 2014, 03:13:16 PM »
The thing that bothers me most about religion [Christianity in particular] is that no success is my own. All of the years of practice, training, and experience don't make me good at what I do; God does. It's not the coaches and teammates; it's God. It's not the teachers, tutors, and professors; it's God.
No, motherfucker. I worked hard for this shit. This is mine. You can't take it away from me.
I think you simply don't realize how it works.
>God creates everything
>People use what God created to do things for themselves and others
>People achieve things with what they created
>Thank God for allowing it all to be possible
Nobody is saying you didn't earn anything, nobody is saying that you or your teachers and friends and family didn't do anything to make whatever was achieved possible. All it is, is that God made it possible for it all to happen.
Sorry, but this argument always bugs me.
See, that's the problem. If God created everything, I am forever indebted to him for something he didn't have a hand in. It seems no different than the mob requiring business owners to pay "protection" fees. A portion of the business's earnings go to the mob even though the mob did nothing to earn it.
Except God isn't going to cripple you for not giving thanks to him. It's a courtesy, a humble acknowledgement, not a bill to pay.
So we're going to ignore the punishment of hell?
But Max, god lets you into heaven if you say you're sorry.
Unless you killed yourself over being in a bad situation that you had no help in.
Then fuck you.
Wut
8415
« on: October 28, 2014, 03:11:25 PM »
He didn't "have" to do anything. He made that 7th day a day of rest to set an example for us: the sabbath day.
Checkmate person im responding to.
Not what the bible says.
Spoiler Genesis 2:2
By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing, so on the seventh day he rested from all his work.
That did nothing for your argument. It didn't imply anything about God being tired or whatever. He simply chose to rest.
Your reading too much into it.
But if god is omnipotent, he doesn't need to rest.
To an omnipotent being, rest is a human concept that means nothing.
What kind of omnipotent being doesn't have the ability to rest for a day?
Where did I say he couldn't?
If you admit he could, then what was your point in the first place?
8416
« on: October 28, 2014, 03:07:10 PM »
The thing that bothers me most about religion [Christianity in particular] is that no success is my own. All of the years of practice, training, and experience don't make me good at what I do; God does. It's not the coaches and teammates; it's God. It's not the teachers, tutors, and professors; it's God.
No, motherfucker. I worked hard for this shit. This is mine. You can't take it away from me.
I think you simply don't realize how it works.
>God creates everything
>People use what God created to do things for themselves and others
>People achieve things with what they created
>Thank God for allowing it all to be possible
Nobody is saying you didn't earn anything, nobody is saying that you or your teachers and friends and family didn't do anything to make whatever was achieved possible. All it is, is that God made it possible for it all to happen.
Sorry, but this argument always bugs me.
See, that's the problem. If God created everything, I am forever indebted to him for something he didn't have a hand in. It seems no different than the mob requiring business owners to pay "protection" fees. A portion of the business's earnings go to the mob even though the mob did nothing to earn it.
Except God isn't going to cripple you for not giving thanks to him. It's a courtesy, a humble acknowledgement, not a bill to pay.
So we're going to ignore the punishment of hell?
"Punishment" Problem with the conception of "traditional hell" is that it makes no sense in any way you look at it, as it was pretty much taken from other mythologies.
Why would there be heat and fire in hell when those are God's creations? Wouldn't hell be separation from God? Why would he punish those he created and outright says, many times, that he loves them all, from the wicked to the good?
If a hell were to exist, then it would have to be completely void of God's creation, which means it would amount to being nothing. And thinking about it, you'd pretty much have to want to be there for that to happen.
Which leads into the "But they say you need to believe in Jesus Christ as the Lord and savior to gain entrance!". Yes, the Bible says that to enter the kingdom of heaven you must go through God to get there. Now, I don't know any Christian that doesn't think or say "God is all around us, in everything he made", so going by extension, believing in God's creation would equate to believing in God. Maybe people don't call God the same name, maybe to some it's "first cause" or "the Universe" or whatever.
8417
« on: October 28, 2014, 03:03:21 PM »
He didn't "have" to do anything. He made that 7th day a day of rest to set an example for us: the sabbath day.
Checkmate person im responding to.
Not what the bible says.
Spoiler Genesis 2:2
By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing, so on the seventh day he rested from all his work.
That did nothing for your argument. It didn't imply anything about God being tired or whatever. He simply chose to rest.
Your reading too much into it.
But if god is omnipotent, he doesn't need to rest.
To an omnipotent being, rest is a human concept that means nothing.
What kind of omnipotent being doesn't have the ability to rest for a day?
8418
« on: October 28, 2014, 03:02:34 PM »
The thing that bothers me most about religion [Christianity in particular] is that no success is my own. All of the years of practice, training, and experience don't make me good at what I do; God does. It's not the coaches and teammates; it's God. It's not the teachers, tutors, and professors; it's God.
No, motherfucker. I worked hard for this shit. This is mine. You can't take it away from me.
I think you simply don't realize how it works.
>God creates everything
>People use what God created to do things for themselves and others
>People achieve things with what they created
>Thank God for allowing it all to be possible
Nobody is saying you didn't earn anything, nobody is saying that you or your teachers and friends and family didn't do anything to make whatever was achieved possible. All it is, is that God made it possible for it all to happen.
Sorry, but this argument always bugs me.
See, that's the problem. If God created everything, I am forever indebted to him for something he didn't have a hand in. It seems no different than the mob requiring business owners to pay "protection" fees. A portion of the business's earnings go to the mob even though the mob did nothing to earn it.
Except God isn't going to cripple you for not giving thanks to him. It's a courtesy, a humble acknowledgement, not a bill to pay.
8419
« on: October 28, 2014, 02:40:11 PM »
The thing that bothers me most about religion [Christianity in particular] is that no success is my own. All of the years of practice, training, and experience don't make me good at what I do; God does. It's not the coaches and teammates; it's God. It's not the teachers, tutors, and professors; it's God.
No, motherfucker. I worked hard for this shit. This is mine. You can't take it away from me.
I think you simply don't realize how it works. >God creates everything >People use what God created to do things for themselves and others >People achieve things with what they created >Thank God for allowing it all to be possible Nobody is saying you didn't earn anything, nobody is saying that you or your teachers and friends and family didn't do anything to make whatever was achieved possible. All it is, is that God made it possible for it all to happen. Sorry, but this argument always bugs me.
8420
« on: October 28, 2014, 02:33:44 PM »
With the scale of the universe, any god whose primary concern is humanity is unlikely to be an important one.
I paraphrased that, but it gets it across.
Since God's power is infinite, this isn't a problem for him.
If his power is infinite then why did he have to rest on the 7th day?
Checkmate theists.
Fun fact: He wasn't resting, he was just creating being a couch potato.
8421
« on: October 28, 2014, 02:32:04 PM »
I'm pretty aware of how little god loves me.
You confuse struggles and challenges to overcome with God not loving you. You don't face those because of a lack of love, but because the presence of love. You will grow and become stronger, or you will inspire others to do so or live another way, everything is connected.
8422
« on: October 28, 2014, 02:29:29 PM »
And you know what? I can take that heat..
But you don't have to.
Why suffer when the avenue of escape is a free gift?
Because a real "god" wouldn't punish those who simply don't believe in him. He's got a pretty big inferiority complex. That would be like me taking offense from an ant on the ground walking across my shoe. The ant exists on a different level of perspective than me, and to it, he's not walking across a shoe belonging to something almost inconveivably massive compared to him. He's just walking, doing his business.
I wouldn't step on him for that. I wouldn't punish him for not realizing that he's walking on me. Which returns to my original point. God is a sack of old sacks.
Problem with the conception of "traditional hell" is that it makes no sense in any way you look at it, as it was pretty much taken from other mythologies. Why would there be heat and fire in hell when those are God's creations? Wouldn't hell be separation from God? Why would he punish those he created and outright says, many times, that he loves them all, from the wicked to the good? If a hell were to exist, then it would have to be completely void of God's creation, which means it would amount to being nothing. And thinking about it, you'd pretty much have to want to be there for that to happen. Which leads into the "But they say you need to believe in Jesus Christ as the Lord and savior to gain entrance!". Yes, the Bible says that to enter the kingdom of heaven you must go through God to get there. Now, I don't know any Christian that doesn't think or say "God is all around us, in everything he made", so going by extension, believing in God's creation would equate to believing in God. Maybe people don't call God the same name, maybe to some it's "first cause" or "the Universe" or whatever.
8423
« on: October 28, 2014, 02:19:28 PM »
With the scale of the universe, any god whose primary concern is humanity is unlikely to be an important one.
I paraphrased that, but it gets it across.
Since God's power is infinite, this isn't a problem for him.
8424
« on: October 28, 2014, 02:18:09 PM »
Some kid in High school got to pet a Kangaroo, play with one, and then got to eat one. Was good story.
8425
« on: October 28, 2014, 02:13:45 PM »
No, he doesn't. Not only is it rather obvious that he doesn't exist, but even if he did, I think it's hard to claim he loves all of us to the extent you're talking about. If your god would actually exist, he would be the single biggest asshole ever to have existed, solely responsible for the death, misery and suffering of billions of people and creatures. He is not worthy of any reverence, worship or even respect.
>Says God not existing is obvious >Can't prove it >In the Bible it's Mankind's fault for the world turning out how it is >Says that clearly it's God's fault for creating the world in the first place I'm currently depressed, hating my life, I've got a cup of Coke, some Pringles and Chips Ahoy. Let's do this, bitches.
8426
« on: October 28, 2014, 12:03:08 AM »
He loves me so much he got me a free neck beard razor and a bunch of good pick up lines.
That's the spirit.
8427
« on: October 27, 2014, 11:27:39 PM »
Busy talking to Ktan about LGBT, Noelle. You're welcome.
>talking to ktan
Yes, I talk to people. I see no reason not to.
8428
« on: October 27, 2014, 11:27:13 PM »
I don't know if I should call technically being born dead love.
I wouldn't call all the "nice" people I've met in my life an expression of love.
I certainly wouldn't call myself getting hit by a truck love.
I wouldn't call myself being graced with asbestos damaged lungs any sort of love.
Nor would I call a simple flu turning into an advanced respitory infection and dumping me into a coma a form of love.
However, if all of these things do count as "love," then I suppose my father punching my mother upside the head and breaking her jaw in front of me at three years old could be called love too.
Hmm, nope, not feeling the love tonight god. Definitely not feeling it. I guess god's just going to have to sleep on the couch tonight again since I don't want none of what he can give, if anything.
You do realize you pretty much ignored any good in your life and just said that because there's bad God sucks?
8429
« on: October 27, 2014, 11:19:59 PM »
Busy talking to Ktan about LGBT, Noelle. You're welcome.
8430
« on: October 27, 2014, 11:04:41 PM »
There is only one God.
>Spaghetti monster >God While it could be possible that God might wish to appear as such at some time, I don't see the relevance. Please try again.
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