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9721
« on: July 05, 2015, 03:53:00 PM »
All of the value in a person's life resides in the impact they have on others
lolno
Okay, what other value does a person have and why does it matter if whatever you esteem to be value has been lost?
Self-value is all that matters. There is no numeric scale, there's a switch. If a person wants to live, his life has value. If he doesn't, his life doesn't have value. Simple as that. Other people's opinion on the person has literally no relevance at all.
Hypothetical situation here :
If a mentally disabled man has a chronic illness that causes him to be in immense pain for the entirety of his conscious life, but due to the nature of his psyche, insists that he wants to live instead, is it better to let him remain in torment or to end his life against his will?
Definitely, definitely, definitely let him live. Choice and consent is all.
Why does what someone wants matter if literally nobody else wants that?
It doesn't fucking matter whatsoever what other people want. Your life is yours alone.
The only thing that matters is impact. Are you saying killing Osama was wrong because he wanted to live?
9722
« on: July 05, 2015, 03:50:18 PM »
All of the value in a person's life resides in the impact they have on others
lolno
Okay, what other value does a person have and why does it matter if whatever you esteem to be value has been lost?
Self-value is all that matters. There is no numeric scale, there's a switch. If a person wants to live, his life has value. If he doesn't, his life doesn't have value. Simple as that. Other people's opinion on the person has literally no relevance at all.
Hypothetical situation here :
If a mentally disabled man has a chronic illness that causes him to be in immense pain for the entirety of his conscious life, but due to the nature of his psyche, insists that he wants to live instead, is it better to let him remain in torment or to end his life against his will?
Definitely, definitely, definitely let him live. Choice and consent is all.
Why does what someone wants matter if literally nobody else wants that?
9723
« on: July 05, 2015, 03:44:07 PM »
All of the value in a person's life resides in the impact they have on others
lolno
Okay, what other value does a person have and why does it matter if whatever you esteem to be value has been lost?
9724
« on: July 05, 2015, 03:32:27 PM »
Okay great.
Now anybody who has said that they wouldn't is a hypocrite unless they're a vegan.
They're literally the same thing.
Kill an animal nobody will miss your kid is fed.
Kill a person nobody will miss your kid is fed.
All of the value in a person's life resides in the impact they have on others.
If a person has no impact on others, they're the same as a cow.
Glad to say I'm not a hypocrite.
Humans are a lot more complex than cows and have a much greater potential in life and range of emotions.
I agree, but, All of the value in a person's life resides in the impact they have on others.
9725
« on: July 05, 2015, 03:24:52 PM »
Okay great.
Now anybody who has said that they wouldn't is a hypocrite unless they're a vegan.
They're literally the same thing.
Kill an animal nobody will miss your kid is fed.
Kill a person nobody will miss your kid is fed.
All of the value in a person's life resides in the impact they have on others.
If a person has no impact on others, they're the same as a cow.
Glad to say I'm not a hypocrite.
9726
« on: July 05, 2015, 03:14:17 PM »
Okay now that everyone has voiced their opinions, what if I told you it was your kid who would go hungry if this man whose life had no value was not ended?
I don't have a kid.
And the kid couldn't exactly go hungry If I was there to look after it.
Checkmate
It was implicit that you did, and I said they would go hungry unless you did this. There's nothing else you can do about it.
9727
« on: July 05, 2015, 03:10:42 PM »
I'm down.
9728
« on: July 05, 2015, 03:10:22 PM »
Supposed to come out this year, but I can't find any recent info on it.
9729
« on: July 05, 2015, 03:08:54 PM »
Okay now that everyone has voiced their opinions, what if I told you it was your kid who would go hungry if this man whose life had no value was not ended?
9730
« on: July 05, 2015, 03:01:56 PM »
And nobody was going to miss him
Why does this even matter? Is the value of your life determined by how many people will miss you when you're dead? That's retarded.
This is what Solonoid actually believes, yes.
And judging by some of the replies ITT I'm not alone.
9731
« on: July 05, 2015, 02:53:26 PM »
Who cares? Your life is yours, and nonexistence is worse than anyone feeling bad for you. The idea that we have to depend on others for meaning is so annoying.
Mad because you're the guy OP is talking about.
9732
« on: July 05, 2015, 02:10:08 PM »
And nobody was going to miss him, you weren't going to get in trouble, would you kill a person?
Remember, this person has nobody that cares about them.
Let's go a step further and say that if you kill this person, then a hungry child will be fed for the next week.
No, he will not be eating the guy you killed, someone will just give food to the kid's family.
9733
« on: July 05, 2015, 02:04:14 PM »
And cut my hair?
Fuck that.
Don't worry, they don't let trans people in.
Oh really?
Yaawwwwwsssssssssssssssss
Really. Won't let outed ones stay in... nine times out of ten, anyway.
Pretty sure the UCMJ has an article that prohibits soldiers from even just cross-dressing on their own time... but then again, the UCMJ says that you can't have anal sex with anybody either. We all know how well that's obeyed.
Well I have some girls clothes.
But what's wrong with anal? It's just a hole to be filled.
And it's the most important hole you can fill.
9734
« on: July 05, 2015, 01:58:21 PM »
Verbatim what would you do if you were ever stuck in a survival situation (Like trapped in mountains or in woods)?
Would you hunt or what?
Probably.
Which may seem hypocritical, but I never said I was a paragon of virtue or anything. There was a time when I wasn't a vegan.
Or, hell, maybe I wouldn't care, and I would starve and die.
I thought you said you would rather die tomorrow than stop being vegan?
9735
« on: July 05, 2015, 01:46:13 PM »
Verbatim what would you do if you were ever stuck in a survival situation (Like trapped in mountains or in woods)?
Would you hunt or what?
I very seriously doubt he has any useful survival skills, even if he was willing to eat meat.
9736
« on: July 05, 2015, 01:42:38 PM »
Obviously it's niggers.
And when I say niggers, I mean people who contribute nothing to society, commit crimes, and lack education. Regardless of race.
then why not just say that, then
idiot
Cause if I didn't explain it plebs like you would think I'm referring to all black people.
Dumbass
When I see the word nigger I think blacks. Not your made up definition.
But I guess you're right. Anyone who doesn't get your personal references before you've even explained them is obviously an idiot.
That's not what I think of.
The word is undergoing rebranding and if you haven't heard of the new definition then you've been living under a rock since the 90s.
Listen to more Chris Rock.
I love how it's only the right wing racists on this site who seem to be "rebranding" the word.
Hmm
Oh yeah bro Chris Rock is a right wing racist.
No, he's a comedian. And his skit on if white people can say the N word he says "not really".
But sure, try and use Chris Rock to back up your racism and confederate flag shilling.
I was talking about his stand up bit where he talks about the difference between niggers and black people. A lot of stand up is 100% serious, and people laugh at it because "It's funny because it's true."
9737
« on: July 05, 2015, 01:37:43 PM »
I haven't been to one since they took down pant.su
9738
« on: July 05, 2015, 01:31:32 PM »
And cut my hair?
Fuck that.
Don't worry, they don't let trans people in.
9739
« on: July 05, 2015, 01:17:08 PM »
Chris Rock is an idiot.
Smarter than niggers though.
9740
« on: July 05, 2015, 12:57:09 PM »
Obviously it's niggers.
And when I say niggers, I mean people who contribute nothing to society, commit crimes, and lack education. Regardless of race.
then why not just say that, then
idiot
Cause if I didn't explain it plebs like you would think I'm referring to all black people.
Dumbass
When I see the word nigger I think blacks. Not your made up definition.
But I guess you're right. Anyone who doesn't get your personal references before you've even explained them is obviously an idiot.
That's not what I think of.
The word is undergoing rebranding and if you haven't heard of the new definition then you've been living under a rock since the 90s.
Listen to more Chris Rock.
I love how it's only the right wing racists on this site who seem to be "rebranding" the word.
Hmm
Oh yeah bro Chris Rock is a right wing racist.
9741
« on: July 05, 2015, 12:56:20 PM »
the pain you would feel if you were shot feeling is majorly emotional You are just so unbelievably wrong. If something cuts a nerve, it hurts like hell. Maybe you've never been physically hurt in your life, so you don't understand what it's like. But trust me, it's physically painful, and it has almost nothing to do with emotions. Nothing.
Like I said, you don't understand what I'm talking about. There is absolutely an emotional side to that pain, that you do not understand. That is the part of the pain you can share, that makes other people feel bad for you. A LOT of people don't understand this, so I wouldn't expect you to. That's the part that keeps you looking back on it years later and thinking about how much it hurt. If somebody looks at your wound and feels bad for you without you telling them it hurts, then they're projecting too, it's a thing people do to other people because they understand that you obviously must feel something that they can identify with. You make the mistake of thinking a dog feels the same thing you would (a lot of people make that mistake, but most don't capitalise on it, because subconsciously they don't identify with the dog). Like I said, it's a complex philosophical construct you have to actually try to understand, but you feel like trying would be some sort of thoughtcrime. I don't expect you to agree with me, I just expect you to understand the philosophical school that creates ethics before you go around talking about them. So you can watch the dog reel in pain, but you'll never understand that the dog will never care that it was in that pain beyond point that it can feel it, assuming it even lives, which if it doesn't, none of its doggy friends will mourn for it, so there's nobody to feel bad for.
9742
« on: July 05, 2015, 12:42:25 PM »
Absolutely.
To kill those who would kill your loved ones is the highest calling.
9743
« on: July 05, 2015, 12:39:03 PM »
I suffered through football practices in order to get better.
I suffered through school in order to get and education.
I suffer through work in order to provide for my family. NONE of this is suffering. None of it.
Losing your limbs is suffering.
Crippling illnesses are suffering.
Depression is suffering.
Physical pain, physical anguish is suffering.
Torture is suffering.
And gOD bless the brave men who go through it to keep america safe.
9744
« on: July 05, 2015, 12:37:01 PM »
Yes, I was using a DIFFERENT example of pain than the one you used.
Is that hard to comprehend? and it was a stupid one, especially considering that you never really addressed the dog getting SHOT, and moved on to medical shots, making it look like you misinterpreted my post
smart move
I needed to use an example that there was a pro to in order to illustrate my point. LOL
so you're conceding that there are examples for which there are NO "pros"
Here though lets use the example you used.
If (hypothetically) being shot gave you super powers, would getting shot be that bad?
Not if you lived. they don't, though
so what's the point of the hypothetical
you're just wasting my time now
The point of the hypothetical was to address your example to make you feel better, and also illustrate the completely unrelated point I was making about the emotion of pain vs the actual feeling of it Once again, I was trying to show you that the pain you would feel if you were shot feeling is majorly emotional and the pain the dog was in is just a physical reaction. So I did address your post, I just didn't tell you that you were right like you expect for some reason. There don't need to be pros to pain if having a pro wouldn't make it better, and therefore only having cons doesn't make it worse. Because it's purely physical pain and doesn't mean nearly the same thing. I don't think you're capable of wrapping your head around what I'm saying right now, and it seems to me like I've lost you altogether. I really can't explain it to you any better, because you're not interested in learning anything about the difference between physical pain and the emotions caused by that pain, where one starts and the other stops. The difference between that objective feeling and the subjective feeling that goes along with it is a tough philosophical concept, that you earlier said you don't believe in, but it is established, and it is a thing.
9745
« on: July 05, 2015, 12:24:10 PM »
SO your ethics are an emotional construct that you apply to the unshareable physical wellbeing of another? I made no mention of emotions whatsoever.
You don't feel bad for someone when they get shots do you? Yes, I do. Shots kinda hurt a little bit. I wouldn't want even that tiny little discomfort imposed on anybody.
Anyhow, you can only share emotions with someone, and if something can't be shared with you, it shouldn't matter to you. Of course you can experience pain for an animal if you PROJECT. So the dog wasn't suffering, then.
Yep, you're insane. I reiterate:
If you don't think physical pain matters, then I hope you get raped by ten people at once. While on fire.
because it doesn't matter, right
it's nothing
You're purposefully choosing to ignore or misrepresent my argument. Being raped by ten people at once would leave me with serious emotional scars. If I didn't have emotions it would be fine as soon as they were done and I would never care again. And I know you didn't bring up emotions, you were only talking about the physical side, which is something that can't be shared with you, but someone's emotions can. If it can't be shared with you it's not that you shouldn't care, it's that you literally can't, unless you project, which is narcissistic. I wouldn't want even that tiny little discomfort imposed on anybody. That's literally you saying you're fine with them getting awful diseases because you'd rather not put them in pain now. I think we've run into two snags here. 1. You can't stop projecting, and therefore can't stop feeling pain that can't be shared with you. 2. You're not an "ends justify the means" type of person, which I am. These are things we aren't going to resolve in debate.
9746
« on: July 05, 2015, 12:17:31 PM »
Why are you talking about medical shots anyway? Did you watch the video?...
The dog was SHOT. By a cop, with a gun. Two or three times. It was writhing on the ground in agony.
Because it was shot.
christ
Yes, I was using a DIFFERENT example of pain than the one you used. Is that hard to comprehend? I needed to use an example that there was a pro to in order to illustrate my point. Here though lets use the example you used. If (hypothetically) being shot gave you super powers, would getting shot be that bad? Not if you lived.
9747
« on: July 05, 2015, 12:14:14 PM »
mustard beef keeps giving them back their bomb
9748
« on: July 05, 2015, 11:59:31 AM »
Why does it matter if it was experiencing physical pain Because it's a negative sensation in the universe.
Negative sensations are negative.
Anything that's negative shouldn't happen.
Again, I don't know how to explain something THIS obvious to you.
Physical pain doesn't matter It's everything.
SO your ethics are an emotional construct that you apply to the unshareable physical wellbeing of another? Getting a shot is a negative sensation that turns out well in the long run, therefore alleviating the emotional side of the pain. You don't feel bad for someone when they get shots do you? Anyhow, you can only share emotions with someone, and if something can't be shared with you, it shouldn't matter to you. Of course you can experience pain for an animal if you PROJECT.
9749
« on: July 05, 2015, 11:51:27 AM »
Like I said, literally cannot stop projecting.
Yeah, the dog totally wasn't writhing in SHEER AGONY at the end, there. Aftering being shot.
That's just me projecting!
You are insane.
In. Sane.
Why does it matter if it was experiencing physical pain, it's not like as its life was closing it realised it had never been to niagra falls or always wanted to go skydiving. The dog literally did not care that it was dying, it only felt the physical pain of being shot. You're just thinking about how you would feel if you were in that much pain. Physical pain doesn't matter, only the way it makes you feel emotionally.
9750
« on: July 05, 2015, 11:34:29 AM »
Dying is a natural part of life and there's no point of putting it off.\ This doesn't have anything to do with anything.
Some animals suffer excruciatingly when they die.
...They ought not to.
...Duh.
Like I said, you're just biased because you can't wrap your head around a mental state with no emotions because you're projecting, which is massively narcissistic.
I'm not thinking emotionally. I'm thinking logically.
Suffering is bad. Animals suffering is bad.
It's not that complicated.
Like I said, literally cannot stop projecting. I think they named a flower after you.
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