Quote from: Fishcakes on March 28, 2017, 08:20:48 PM

Quote from: Töqi on March 28, 2017, 07:18:16 PM

Quote from: Fishcakes on March 28, 2017, 06:22:07 PM

Quote from: Töqi on March 27, 2017, 08:58:20 AM

It was done very poorly in Rogue One and was a lazy attempt to use an already established villain as a crutch.

I disagree, the plot of Rogue One was very closely entangled with Tarkin's grab for power and plot to replace the senate through direct fear.

If he hadn't been in the film, his shadow would've been looming over it so heavily we would only feel like something was missing.

The film itself was, unironically, a mistake. His relevance to the plot changes nothing; we learned nothing in Rogue One that we didn't already know about him from ANH, and the film fails to decide who the villain is. Vader is already established and does almost nothing but give fan service at the end; Tarkin is also established, and has almost no bearing on the plot except to fill that hole that you describe; Krennic neatly fits into the role of Generic Ambitious Bad Guy rendered impotent by the two most significant villains in the series.

Really, it's kind of disappointing how well-received Rogue One was. It had a neat space battle, but it was so full of bad writing, flat characters, and told an utterly pointless story. Jyn could have been an incredibly compelling character, but they literally cut out her entire arc.

I hated Rogue One for many reasons:
•It ruined Rogue Squadron
•It ruined Dark Forces
•It was an obvious cash grab
•It ruined TFU
•It failed to take into account the very canon fact the Death Star plans were complete before the clone wars
•It oversimplified a complicated problem
And others.

It did the things it did well though, even if they did pack too much into too little time.
It was clear to me that the villain was Director Krennic, and while he was under the thumbs of Vader and Tarkin, he was motivated to antagonise our heroes by himself. The fact that there were greater powers than he bearing down on him was simply a plot device to generate sympathy for the villain, and try to fix the fact the this complicated problem had been so oversimplified. In the moment it worked, only in review the flaw comes to light.

Ultimately it's a fun flick, as long as you don't take it too seriously.

The Geonosians had only designed the superstructure, the weapon was only a mere concept.
Basically the Geonosians' contribution was "what if there was a big spherical space station that had some sort of powerful weapon? Let's make a detailed concept schematic."

Then when the republic takes Geonosis, Poggle The Lesser gets the Geonosians to build some of the superstructure (Geonosians will kill each other if they have no tasks to complete), in exchange for some autonomy.
Later the Empire sprays pesticide on Geonosis and kills all the bugs.

Also TFU's story is basically a bad fanfic and I don't understand why people like it.

They didn't explain that in the film, the idea was that the plans were complete.

If there was more exposition on it in a book, then that isn't canon.

Quote from: Fishcakes on March 28, 2017, 06:22:07 PM

Quote from: Töqi on March 27, 2017, 08:58:20 AM

It was done very poorly in Rogue One and was a lazy attempt to use an already established villain as a crutch.

I disagree, the plot of Rogue One was very closely entangled with Tarkin's grab for power and plot to replace the senate through direct fear.

If he hadn't been in the film, his shadow would've been looming over it so heavily we would only feel like something was missing.

The film itself was, unironically, a mistake. His relevance to the plot changes nothing; we learned nothing in Rogue One that we didn't already know about him from ANH, and the film fails to decide who the villain is. Vader is already established and does almost nothing but give fan service at the end; Tarkin is also established, and has almost no bearing on the plot except to fill that hole that you describe; Krennic neatly fits into the role of Generic Ambitious Bad Guy rendered impotent by the two most significant villains in the series.

Really, it's kind of disappointing how well-received Rogue One was. It had a neat space battle, but it was so full of bad writing, flat characters, and told an utterly pointless story. Jyn could have been an incredibly compelling character, but they literally cut out her entire arc.

I hated Rogue One for many reasons:
•It ruined Rogue Squadron
•It ruined Dark Forces
•It was an obvious cash grab
•It ruined TFU
•It failed to take into account the very canon fact the Death Star plans were complete before the clone wars
•It oversimplified a complicated problem
And others.

It did the things it did well though, even if they did pack too much into too little time.
It was clear to me that the villain was Director Krennic, and while he was under the thumbs of Vader and Tarkin, he was motivated to antagonise our heroes by himself. The fact that there were greater powers than he bearing down on him was simply a plot device to generate sympathy for the villain, and try to fix the fact the this complicated problem had been so oversimplified. In the moment it worked, only in review the flaw comes to light.

Ultimately it's a fun flick, as long as you don't take it too seriously.

It was done very poorly in Rogue One and was a lazy attempt to use an already established villain as a crutch.

I disagree, the plot of Rogue One was very closely entangled with Tarkin's grab for power and plot to replace the senate through direct fear.

If he hadn't been in the film, his shadow would've been looming over it so heavily we would only feel like something was missing.

Drake slayed it on back to back.

That's a fucking diss track.

niqqa wut

how can dat track be dis track

Al Baghdadi is a psych nurse. You want me to share your problem with her and get advice? This forum isn't the best when it comes to actual serious stuff.

My advice is to start with your doctor and see if it's something simple like a med adjustment.

I think my diagnosis is probably pretty sage, but I really don't want to go see a doctor for a med adjustment.
If they decide to commit me again it could be weeks before I can get out, and that is really not an option I can deal with right now.

Quote from: Fishcakes on March 27, 2017, 08:03:57 PM

Quote from: prehistoric on March 27, 2017, 07:47:03 PM

what do you suffer from?

borderline disorder and paranoid schizophrenia, according to the litany of dcotors who have seen me about it

shit i'm sorry to hear that. what's been causing this resurgence? and can you replicate the conditions that helped you suppress these issues before?

ah it's gotta be stress, I need to relax

hard to do with the paranoid bit though
I'm trying to cut out the source of the stress but it's a lot of change, and I may be walking into an even bigger shitstorm if I do.

nah then it wouldn't be a treat

Why should I have sympathy for a disgusting Flumpf voter such as yourself?

Nice try I voted for Gary.

*clique

Hey class how does it feel to get fucked by an Iranian in a language you speak natively.

I was 13 when I joined.

That was sometime ago...

Freindly reminder the winner gets to fuck Luciana.

I will send every person who quits $1000.

I haven't read any Cyborg comics, but could he always fly like Iron Man?

Almost always.

Wedges are cool though.

How is this a prank?

He pranks his viewers into thinking there's content.