Quote from: Ossus on July 19, 2017, 05:57:51 PM

That doesn't really prove your original claim. Could you link a build at the same price with twice the performance?

The massive bottlenecking also seems overstated when looking at the reviews and benchmarks. "The Pentium offers around half the performance of a stock i7 7700K for 20 per cent of the cost". Yeah, it's expected to be bit of a bottleneck, but it's still enough to run Witcher 3 or Crysis 3 at 60+ fps on Ultra / Very High, Far Cry Primal and Assassin's Creed Unity at 80+ fps on Ultra, and the Division at over a 110+ fps on Ultra as well (all when paired with a Titan). It might be a bit of a bottleneck, but when it's capable of supporting a very CPU heavy game like Battlefield 1 at 70+ fps on Ultra, even when paired with just a 1060, you've got a solid CPU that won't hold you back much unless you go for really high performance. A "massive bottleneck" is a CPU that limits you to sub 60 fps even when paired with much better GPU's, not one that can achieve these results with recent games on ultra settings. And at such a low price, it's easily one of the best budget CPU's out there.

I agree that he could've saved some cash by going with AMD (as I suggested in one of my earlier posts), but I don't see anything wrong with this build. Hell, even the Rx 470 (which I believe is the closest equivalent to the 1050ti) appears to be even quite a bit more expensive in Canada. Some costs could've still been cut, but this looks like a pretty solid budget build to me. I'd be very surprised if you could put together one that's twice as powerful for the same price.

For $600, he got himself a PC that'll let him play all the games he wants, including some very recent ones at high settings with high framerates. It might not be the most min-maxed build possible, nor will it be great for really demanding tasks like 3D modeling, but it looks solid to me. One of the best low budget CPU's on the market, a good GPU, and components from prominent high quality brands like MSI and EVGA.

I'm not the biggest expert here, but I think it looks pretty good. I'll be happy to concede otherwise, but you're going to have to show some actual results and specific components to prove your point. You can't just say "you should've gone AMD", "you should've grabbed a quad or 8 core" or "you skimmed where you should've spent" without posting some specifics on how this could be improved.

I fully expect it to have half the performance of a CPU using the same architecture with twice the cores, and the AMD CPU I just recommended, at four times the cores, only offers double the power against the pentium as well, but also only double the price.

If he was building a more expensive machine, I might recommend he buy an i7, but that raises some issues as well.
I've been observing a lot of negative feedback about Kaby Lake architecture in general, and a lot of customers buying even the flagship 6700k have been disappointed. Frankly, buying anything before we see how Kaby Lake X does unsettles me.

So my ultimate recommendation came from the idea that playing on slightly older, but more proven hardware is a much safer, more economical, and ultimately more appropriate way for first time builders to get good performance on the machine they will probably remember forever.

Quote from: Ossus on July 19, 2017, 04:57:56 PM

Quote from: Prehistoric on July 19, 2017, 04:36:59 PM

well i bit the bullet and finally bought all the parts i'll need. probably putting it together in the next week or so.

i'm less than happy about the price but it's been a long time coming. at the very least, i'll be able to use this thread as evidence that console is ultimately better than PC, and the fact that i'll have a half decent PC will lend me some credibility and objectivity.

thanks to everyone involved

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/gWL2cc

Oh dude.

Why why you build that.
You just flushed $600 down the toilet.

You could have built something twice as powerful for the same price.

i think someone would have spoken up if that was the case

You built a dual core PC in this, the current year.

I have a PC with pretty much that same loadout, and it can't even run all the features on a two year old distribution of photoshop.

If you were budget shopping you should've bought AMD. Now you've got a PC with massive bottlenecking issues because nobody spoke up to say that you shouldn't buy that Pentium.

Your performance cap is around 4GB RAM and 2GB VRAM. After that it's just dick flexing room.
You skimped where you should have spent, and spent where you should have saved.
Reading through this thread, it looks like everybody recommended parts that they thought were good and affordable instead of parts that work well together.

I'm not trying to disparage you, and I'm not just AMD fanboi-ing either, just saying that you could seriously have gotten much more bang for your buck if you had bought a Quad or 8-core cpu from them. Higher performance in the lower price range is their niche.

Then there's you motherboard choice, which has limited you severely.
At your price point, you wouldn't have lost any performance going for DDR3, and could have gotten more memory and more PCIe slots if you had opted that way, in the same fiscal ballpark.

If you were looking to build at twice the price, a Core i5 would have been a great choice, but Intel processors are usually trash below $300, and using anything other than Core or Xeon is seldom a good idea.

well i bit the bullet and finally bought all the parts i'll need. probably putting it together in the next week or so.

i'm less than happy about the price but it's been a long time coming. at the very least, i'll be able to use this thread as evidence that console is ultimately better than PC, and the fact that i'll have a half decent PC will lend me some credibility and objectivity.

thanks to everyone involved

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/gWL2cc

Oh dude.

Why why you build that.
You just flushed $600 down the toilet.

You could have built something twice as powerful for the same price.

Still not as dangerous to the heteronormitive male as Tetraethyllead  and leaded aviation gasoline is. Pilots and avfuelers  see a disproportionate amount of m2f individuals as any other profession does.

it's the fucking teLeaded gasoline I fucking tell you. Why else is the t4m section of craigslist swamped with old ass disgusting men? It's a side effect of when leaded gasoline was the norm for automobiles.

brb pouring leaded gasoline on groups of children to create a new race of traps

Quote from: DAS B00T x2 on July 13, 2017, 08:36:00 AM

Gasoline is cheaper in Jersey than Pa and over there by law and attendant has to pump it for me.

Fucking explain the logic here please.

Because Pa is a fucking shithole, duh

Literally.

The whole state reeks of manure.

no

no more remakes

no more sequels

is nothing sacred to you

nope

Quote from: Alphy on July 01, 2017, 01:12:42 PM

avatar would be cool

more disney or pixar movies plz

We need an Avatar sequel with guns. That'd mix things up a little.

We need a direct sequel about Aang bringing a broken world together after he ends the Hundred Years War.

get rid of the arrows on the dropdown it's cheesy as hell

There is NONE, ABSOLUTELY NO CHANCE WHATSOEVER of this being good.

Especially considering how shit the anime was.

I always wondered why GRYFFINdor always had the logo of a lion instead of an actual Griffin.

Quote from: SecondClass on June 30, 2017, 09:29:58 PM

Gryffindor

because its a person's name

blue dinosaur group

well, at least this gives you more time to listen to better music

ummmm






kill yourself

He's logged in so that we know it was him when he hacks us and sells all our credit card info to some Jew after paid subscriptions start.

Jokes on him though, Cheat will already have our credit cards.

hopefully

you know if half of the things you said on here got out, you would become an unapproachable pariah, right?

tbh they're both shit, but empire is less shit than jedi