oh and the claim that men have no gender based political interests is a joke

Men have been used, historically, in many ways by women. Different than the ways they use women, but equally troubling. Court's prejudices against men have begun to dwindle, just as women's rights have improved in recent years. However, just as women are still often marginalized, objectified, and taken advantage of, society still often demands that men be stoic caretakers and personal piggy banks for women, and see not only backlash from their peers, but often backlash from the legal system for not playing this role.

Equality means equality. If we want to elevate women to the place they deserve to be in society, we must also remove the gender biased constraints we have placed on men. Otherwise, all we've achieved is switching which gender has too much power.

The writer bases this presumption on the idea that it's easy for a woman to understand what being a man is like but impossible for a man to understand what being a woman is like.

I would say that if the latter is true, the former must be false, and vice-versa. The terf who wrote this article seems to believe that a male mindset and role in society is very simple, forward, and easy to understand from an outsider's perspective, while a female mindset and role is nebulous and impossible to comprehend if you haven't lived it.

I'd counter that both are equally nebulous, and often misunderstood by closed minded people, but that trans women, and trans men, both have experience as the gender they identify with. To say a trans woman can't understand womanhood is obscene. The assertion basically says that society will continue treating trans women as men, and they retain the privileges of male life after transitioning. This simply isn't true.

Most of society, unfortunately, does not see trans women as women, but they also don't see them as men. They see them as less; not equal. On top of not being seen as a man, they're also subject to prejudice commonly levied against all trans people.

The article also asserts that television and media provide a perfectly clear insight on what being a man is like, what's going on inside the male brain, and what a man's place is in society, while saying that the same is not true of women. Unfortunately, neither is true.

Drama is not real life, and you cannot simply understand what being a man is by watching movies and tv. Indeed, that is merely introspection based on drama that you have watched or read unfold. It's not that you get a clear idea of what being the other gender is like from consuming media written by and about that gender. It's that you come up with your own ideas, using their expression as a sort of mental prompt for your imaginary exploration.

The only way to understand what being a man or being a woman is like is to live as one, and both trans men and trans women have accomplished that.

The ideas of terfs have no place in serious discussions about gender or the reshaping of society, and though they should be free to voice their opinions, it would be pragmatic and wise to ignore them altogether, especially from a policymaker's perspective.

Quote from: Solonoid on May 14, 2020, 03:32:10 PM

tbh I'm not really sure what the question is

how would you cope with being an unwilling sex slave if your life depended on it

thanks for clarifying

just move forward?

I was in this exact situation like two years ago. I saved like a grand, packed my shit, and left while nobody was watching.

I try not to think about it, and I don't think it really gives me any trouble.

Then again, that's not the worst thing that has ever happened to me by far, so I'm not sure how the average person would cope.

Cheat isn't a pegboy

She went to jail previously?

Quote from: Solonoid on May 10, 2020, 01:25:33 PM

and she might be going back to jail soon anyway

yeah, last month most recently

how the fuck did this become about racism the boy just wanna say the n word

fuck you Fred

Quote from: Solonoid on May 02, 2020, 02:08:49 PM

have a magical day

I'll unironically say "Howdy" and "Ya'll come back now, ya hear" but I'll never say this.

Quote from: Ingy on May 02, 2020, 02:42:54 PM

You guys get grape soda?

If only, it's just the name of something we use to put recognition on somebody's record.

iirc it's required when you end a phone call with a customer

Quote from: Solonoid on May 01, 2020, 09:56:36 PM

so your excuse for the bigotry and deprecation of having sex with a trap and then telling them "that wasn't gay because I don't see you as a man and refuse to recognize the fact that you identify as one" is that all sex is bigoted so why not double down?

like, i probably wouldn't have sex with a girl that i consider ugly, too, for basically the same reasons

is that super shitty? fuck yes it is, and i'm not proud of it, but i'm willing to bet that you wouldn't have sex with somebody that you consider ugly, either

so what exactly is the real difference between you and me on this topic again?

I'm not vain about my sexual partners. I'd say that I find fit men in their late 20s to be the most attractive, but lately I've been sleeping with a 41yo guy with a beer belly. Because I like him for who he is. Even though I don't find him sexy, I enjoy spending time with him and having sex with him.

in spite of that, I'm not chastising you for being picky, I'm trying to get you to see that if you decide to sleep with a trap you're having sex with a man, which is gay, and that doesn't make you gay, it just makes what you did gay, regardless of the realities of the situation (any masculine features) you choose to ignore, and there's no reason that your sexuality or sexual identity should be threatened just because you've done something gay, so there's no point in denying it

tbh this whole argument revolves around the idea that it's okay to be afraid of admitting to being gay or that something you've done is gay

we should just throw the stigma out and be okay with saying that we've done something gay, and that we don't need to base homosexuality on some factors like recognized masculinity or femininity that will allow us to deny someone's identity just to keep our own egos in tact, especially since there's no reason a person's ego should be threatened by being or having done something gay

Quote from: Solonoid on May 01, 2020, 09:40:50 PM

oh, and obviously, if you disregard someone's identity to impose your own version of what that identity should be on them, you're a bigot

i never denied this—as much as i'd like to destroy it, bigotry is one of those inescapable parts of being human

if i could shut my sexuality off entirely and just live as an ace instead, i would—because i recognize that having a sexuality in the first place kind of makes me a giant piece of shit, because having a sexuality is intrinsically shallow and bigoted and discriminatory—but there's nothing i can do, barring what i already advocate for (anti-natalism)

it's like you're starting to get it now, or something

so your excuse for the bigotry and deprecation of having sex with a trap and then telling them "that wasn't gay because I don't see you as a man and refuse to recognize the fact that you identify as one" is that all sex is bigoted so why not double down?

having known many traps who are hurt by people telling them stuff like "no homo" (not literally that phrase) after sex, and many trans women who are hurt by gay men calling them gay, I can assure you that it's a destructive attitude

If a statue of a woman makes you sexually aroused, are you a statue-sexual? What is it that the person finds sexually attractive?

inanimate objects or drawings arousing you aren't gay or straight, they're mental masturbation

and to Verbatim, you neither make nor grasp the rules

recognition of identity is the only factor in determining if a certain relationship, even a one-sided version of you jacking it to someone on a screen is gay or not

it's not gay to watch tranny porn, it is gay to watch trap porn, and if it's hentai then it's not either, you're just masturbating to a cartoon

Quote from: Solonoid on May 01, 2020, 08:26:57 PM

Quote from: DAS B00T x2 on May 01, 2020, 08:16:00 PM

Quote from: Ingy on May 01, 2020, 07:40:18 PM

Quote from: DAS B00T x2 on May 01, 2020, 07:10:39 PM

found the faggot

it's OP

If you’re calling me a faggot just because I like traps then you’re 1OO% right

But liking traps is straight you fucking idiot

liking girls with dicks isn't gay

but traps aren't girls

irrelevant

elaborate

the fuck, I have to take four tabs and a couple shots to get a little whacked out and this dude fuckin panic attacks on half of a half of a fuckin pill

when I used it I would take like, twelve or so

what chinese drug is this

dude it's just benadryl