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3271
« on: October 12, 2015, 02:04:04 AM »
Time for me to guzzle down drugs.
3272
« on: October 12, 2015, 02:02:15 AM »
Shepard
3273
« on: October 12, 2015, 01:59:58 AM »
Whorasarus Wrex
3274
« on: October 12, 2015, 01:58:21 AM »
Actually you have to suck 6,666 dicks.
3275
« on: October 12, 2015, 01:29:20 AM »
anyways happy birthday you dino slut
I'm not a dinosaur, nor a whore.
Dinowhore
3276
« on: October 12, 2015, 01:19:59 AM »
I hear turning crosses upside down and drinking the blood of the devout is a good start.
3277
« on: October 12, 2015, 01:17:49 AM »
Only in bethesda games. I can't tell if an endgame boss is going to come up obviously. But sometimes, I'll get to a quest that just screams "this is the final descent into the game" and I just stop dead for some reason.
3278
« on: October 12, 2015, 12:57:50 AM »
Self harm doesn't have a root, singular cause. Like depression, it comes for different reasons. For some people, it's a psychological self hate that manifests itself. Usually, when somebody has an abusive parent, especially a father, a child will grow up to hate their father.
But, in their sub-conscious, because of the parental bond that every single child has with their parents, they hate themselves, for hating their parent, because it's practically programmed into them not to feel that way against their guardians.
Another aspect, of course, appears in trans-genderism. Feeling like you exist in the wrong kind of body will do that to you over time.
Another one is rape victims. Some of them loathe themselves, because rape is all about power. Particularily in men, who have testosterone and that natural sort of domineering nature. They loathe themselves and feel guilty about being put into such a position beyond their power to stop.
So, with such a broad area as to why it can occur, it makes the root of self harm incredibly difficult to pin down in individual people. And I'd have no doubt that theraputic self harm won't come round for a long time. Mainly because there are so many different shades to psychology.
3279
« on: October 12, 2015, 12:42:33 AM »
In your opinion then, what's the difference between your life and another life?
Because I'm a sapient human being and a cat is not. I value my life, or another person's life, significantly more than any other animal's.
Even if you know that most likely once a life is gone it won't ever exist again, therefore making whatever time any living thing has extremely valuable? Even if you had the capacity to save something with decent chances, even if it was costly?
This is a scenario where you literally have the ability to make every end meet, and you still wouldn't take it? That's the part I'm not sold on. Why place such a difference on a life? This isn't "Pick either to save your family or the pet from the house fire."
Can you explain to me the sense in that? And let's not go the monetary road, because you'd end up spending more money to save yourself in the same situation than a pet. So the pet being costly, no longer counts.
Look, I'm not even sure what you're asking at this point. Humans have more value than other animals, period. If someone gave me $5000 I probably would go with the surgery for my pet. If I needed life-saving surgery in my mid-forties and it would put me in significant financial distress I'd do it.
Primarily, and previously, I was asking why life, especially that of something "less" than a human's, can be so easily waved off for the sake of money. The way you talk about it, unless you were handed that 5000 on a silver platter, nothing more or less, you'd only go for medical treatment. Which is why I changed the subject to you instead, because if you were in such a position, you'd more than likely try to save yourself no matter what. I understand that yes, people and what they can do is more intrinsically valuable than what an animal can do. But you're still not higher, or lower than an animal on the scales of life and death. You both live, and you're both going to die. You're equals in that regard. I'm curious about people's stances because lately I've been recieving flak from people on my end based on a decision I made for somebody a while back. It's got me thinking about the way people value life.
3280
« on: October 12, 2015, 12:31:09 AM »
'appy birthday Mr. Vien.
3281
« on: October 11, 2015, 08:40:31 PM »
Compared to me you'd look like a model or something.
Does that help?
Your beard could be a model.
That's a good idea actually. It looks like shit all spread out. Maybe I could start tying knots or something.
3282
« on: October 11, 2015, 08:37:34 PM »
For starters that's a fucking terrible name for a drink.
Only suitable if the drink tastes like shit then I guess.
3283
« on: October 11, 2015, 08:33:02 PM »
Look on the bright side. Ain't nobody here who can look as shit as I do.
You've adapted to your natural habitat.
I've adapted to shit. Hokay.
3284
« on: October 11, 2015, 08:31:40 PM »
Compared to me you'd look like a model or something.
Does that help?
3285
« on: October 11, 2015, 08:29:55 PM »
In your opinion then, what's the difference between your life and another life?
Because I'm a sapient human being and a cat is not. I value my life, or another person's life, significantly more than any other animal's.
Even if you know that most likely once a life is gone it won't ever exist again, therefore making whatever time any living thing has extremely valuable? Even if you had the capacity to save something with decent chances, even if it was costly? This is a scenario where you literally have the ability to make every end meet, and you still wouldn't take it? That's the part I'm not sold on. Why place such a difference on a life? This isn't "Pick either to save your family or the pet from the house fire." Can you explain to me the sense in that? And let's not go the monetary road, because you'd end up spending more money to save yourself in the same situation than a pet. So the pet being costly, no longer counts.
3286
« on: October 11, 2015, 06:09:24 PM »
I wouldn't spend $5,000 on my cat.
Why not exactly? Can you give me some specifics?
$5000 is more than my current emergency fund. I know in the hypothetical scenario I have the money, but unless it's a situation where someone just handed me $5k I still have to approach it from the perspective of my financial situation. If the medical procedures were covered by my pet insurance, I'd probably do it, but if it's an old cat that's in a lot of pain, I think the best option is to just put him down.
I changed it up a bit. The medical route has no pain because the pet is medicated. Do you change your stance?
No, it's not an issue of their pain, it's an issue of me not ever wanting to spend $5,000 on an elderly pet.
Okay. That's fair. What if we changed the scenario?
You, personally, are now in a serious medical condition. You're going to die if you don't recieve medical treatment. Your significant other will have to pay a large fee for the medical aid involved. And the condition you have will come back in give or take, a decade or two. And you're late middle aged.
What would you personally choose happen to you?
And what would you prefer that your significant other do?
Well of course I'd want her to pay it.
Right then. In these scenarios, the two of you are in the same boat. You're both in your declining life stages. You both have a chance of dying later on anyway. And the cost to save both of you will be large. It costs a lot more to operate on a person than it does to something small like a cat or dog. And you say you'd take your financial issues into consideration. When, in all likelyhood, if your significant other had any amount of money to save you in the way, they would pay it. In your opinion then, what's the difference between your life and another life? When both stand the chance of never existing again, but could be saved, equally, why does yours take more presidence?
3287
« on: October 11, 2015, 04:09:00 PM »
I look like absolute shit right now but alright whatever
Look on the bright side. Ain't nobody here who can look as shit as I do.
3288
« on: October 11, 2015, 04:04:31 PM »
Glad I'm not one of them. 
 You could pass for zachary quinto.
3289
« on: October 11, 2015, 03:58:50 PM »
Came in for a bit to work on something else. You just dragged me back out there. Haven't checked in a mirror in a long while. Think I could use a trim.
Thanks for the heads up on that, Class.
looking very Dude Lebowski with those glasses
I'd get rid of them if I had a choice in the matter. I hate wearing shit.
3290
« on: October 11, 2015, 03:57:27 PM »
.38 special only costs a few cents. Plus I'd rather my pet's death be a personal matter between me and them, not some foreign and sterile operating room.
So, the pet has a chance to live. And you have the 5000 to make it happen. But you don't pick it. Why not?
Because the road to recovery won't be enjoyable for them, will have marginal benefits, and won't be enjoyable for me either.
Remember. The animal is in no pain on the medical route. They're medicated. It's just a matter of time for them to recover. Do you change your stance on the matter?
Not really. Death isn't bad.
I never implied that it was.
3291
« on: October 11, 2015, 03:56:41 PM »
Interesting. And what exactly drives you to think that cats don't live out very fullfilling lives by their standards?
Factoring into things, that you, as a cartaker, have all the options to make a cat live in pretty much the best of conditions? I think living for the sake of living is pointless. If you're not accomplishing anything, you're just another mouth to feed. Pets are loving companions--they keep us company, they make us laugh, they keep us warm. And we do the same for them. But this cat has basically lived out his whole life. What great purpose would there be in extending his life further, especially when I have a greater potential of helping a great deal of others with that money?
Keep in mind here too, that spending 5000 isn't the only option. It's just the best option availible. Would you compromise and spend some of it to try and help the pet? Or is this a complete black and white deal, on or off kind of deal? I mean, it's black and white for me, I guess. Maybe other people might think different, but personally, I think it would be a lost cause if I spent any less.
Someone else may have different thoughts than mine, and that's all right--that's just my take. I don't think I could justify it.
Different viewpoints then. The way I look at it, no matter what you do, what you choose, in the grand scheme of things, you amount to nothing. Truly, we do, if we're talking about the relative size of our universe and its lifetime. And of course, assuming that we only ever get one shot at life, then it makes our time here, and what we choose to do with it, valuable. If that cat was going to live a few more years in happiness and then pass away, I'd be all for it. Because, I think, living for the sake of living is all we do anyway. We do everything in our lives because of what it means for us. Extending that for just a bit more time to spend in enjoyment before you're gone forever doesn't seem too bad to me. And, naturally, to me, money is money. It means nothing. It can be earned, and spent. But its sole purpose is to be spent at one time or another. Whether it's spent now, or later, doesn't matter.
3292
« on: October 11, 2015, 03:45:35 PM »
Came in for a bit to work on something else. You just dragged me back out there. Haven't checked in a mirror in a long while. Think I could use a trim. Thanks for the heads up on that, Class.
3293
« on: October 11, 2015, 03:25:48 PM »
Take him out, Old Yeller style.
Why, in particular?
3294
« on: October 11, 2015, 03:25:02 PM »
Interesting. I admit I wasn't expecting that one from you.
So you're saying that you personally would take that 5000 you had, and spread it around to other people? Random strangers? Or just one person? Or would you just keep it in your bank? Keep in mind, the potential for several years of life is up on the table. I don't think the potential is good enough. If I could guarantee that cat a life of immortal sublimity, then it would be an easy choice to make, but as it stands, cats don't really live out very fulfilling lives as it is, to be... completely honest.
As for what I'd do with the money, I'd save it. I certainly wouldn't just hand it out to random people. I don't trust people enough to be overly charitable. I'm very frugal as it is, almost to a fault, but in that sense, I like to think that I'm pretty smart when it comes to spending money. I'd make sure I wouldn't spend it on anything too extravagant or frivolous, out of respect for my cat's memory.
It wouldn't be happy choice either way.
Interesting. And what exactly drives you to think that cats don't live out very fullfilling lives by their standards? Factoring into things, that you, as a cartaker, have all the options to make a cat live in pretty much the best of conditions? Keep in mind here too, that spending 5000 isn't the only option. It's just the best option availible. Would you compromise and spend some of it to try and help the pet? Or is this a complete black and white deal, on or off kind of deal?
3295
« on: October 11, 2015, 03:12:06 PM »
I'd put him to sleep. $5000 is a lot of money to be sinking just to keep an animal alive for a few more months.
To put it into perspective, the amount of needy people you could help with that money instead is substantial.
Interesting. I admit I wasn't expecting that one from you. So you're saying that you personally would take that 5000 you had, and spread it around to other people? Random strangers? Or just one person? Or would you just keep it in your bank? Keep in mind, the potential for several years of life is up on the table. Not just months. High chance of it being years.
3296
« on: October 11, 2015, 03:08:28 PM »
I wouldn't spend $5,000 on my cat.
Why not exactly? Can you give me some specifics?
$5000 is more than my current emergency fund. I know in the hypothetical scenario I have the money, but unless it's a situation where someone just handed me $5k I still have to approach it from the perspective of my financial situation. If the medical procedures were covered by my pet insurance, I'd probably do it, but if it's an old cat that's in a lot of pain, I think the best option is to just put him down.
I changed it up a bit. The medical route has no pain because the pet is medicated. Do you change your stance?
No, it's not an issue of their pain, it's an issue of me not ever wanting to spend $5,000 on an elderly pet.
Okay. That's fair. What if we changed the scenario? You, personally, are now in a serious medical condition. You're going to die if you don't recieve medical treatment. Your significant other will have to pay a large fee for the medical aid involved. And the condition you have will come back in give or take, a decade or two. And you're late middle aged. What would you personally choose happen to you? And what would you prefer that your significant other do?
3297
« on: October 11, 2015, 02:57:13 PM »
My mother spent $500 in an ER visit for her dog after he got hit by a truck. She ended up spending more afterwards in follow-ups. He was never the same afterwards; if he didn't see you walk up to him or heard loud noises, he would bite you. He would randomly walk up to people and growl at them.
If it was my choice, he would have been put down after he got hit. Animals are never the same after those experiences; they just suffer the rest of their life and you end up thousands of dollars poorer for it.
That's fair. But in this hypothetical scenario, what would you pick. I understand that things vary. But for this particular scenario that I listed, what you pick? I did change something because I forgot about it. The pet isn't in any pain if you take the medical recovery route.
3298
« on: October 11, 2015, 02:55:10 PM »
I wouldn't spend $5,000 on my cat.
Why not exactly? Can you give me some specifics?
$5000 is more than my current emergency fund. I know in the hypothetical scenario I have the money, but unless it's a situation where someone just handed me $5k I still have to approach it from the perspective of my financial situation. If the medical procedures were covered by my pet insurance, I'd probably do it, but if it's an old cat that's in a lot of pain, I think the best option is to just put him down.
I changed it up a bit. The medical route has no pain because the pet is medicated. Do you change your stance?
3299
« on: October 11, 2015, 02:53:29 PM »
.38 special only costs a few cents. Plus I'd rather my pet's death be a personal matter between me and them, not some foreign and sterile operating room.
So, the pet has a chance to live. And you have the 5000 to make it happen. But you don't pick it. Why not?
Because the road to recovery won't be enjoyable for them, will have marginal benefits, and won't be enjoyable for me either.
Remember. The animal is in no pain on the medical route. They're medicated. It's just a matter of time for them to recover. Do you change your stance on the matter?
3300
« on: October 11, 2015, 02:42:28 PM »
I wouldn't spend $5,000 on my cat.
Why not exactly? Can you give me some specifics?
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