I always wanted a tank. Like, you could get me a tank and put a snowplow blade on it and I'd have fun shoveling all the snow.

Quote from: KinderEssen on November 24, 2015, 09:59:10 PM

I don't know. Things are looking grim at current time but life is a rollercoaster.

I expect to be dead by 2030.

Quote from: Thunder on November 24, 2015, 09:58:17 PM

At this point, I'm just waiting to die.

Quote from: Sandtrap on November 24, 2015, 09:23:48 PM

I don't know. And I don't really care. Preferably, it'd be fine if I just dropped on the spot and died. But, since I'm too stubborn to off myself, I have to face up to what's in front of me.

The only thing I've got in the near future, which I was lucky enough to secure, is some land. I could build a home on it. I don't really want to. But that's the logical next step.

I'll need a stable source of income. Time to learn trades. Handyman jack of all trades. Take small jobs, make under the table money.

After that I don't know. I'll see when it comes knocking, if it ever does.

Wow, you guys are depressing af

I believe the more appropriate term would be depressed as fuck.

Happy folks are keen to move on with their lives rather than sit around in the wake of a depressed person. Unless of course, you're depressed as well.

Wonder if he'll show up here again.

Just send the damn telescope to the moon. Better conditions to watch shit over there.

This sounds like an old article.

Like, two or three years old.

Unless the lawsuit's been going on for that long and finally came to a closure.

Hey, I don't suppose you'd mind if I turned this thread into a culinary one, right?

I mean, you might not want me to, but I guess because you can't give true consent, secretly, you say no.

"No, I don't want to say no to Cheftrap egging this fucking thread up."

Oh but hey, I guess you can't give true consent there either.

So, no, you don't want me to post culinary art in this thread, but at the same time, yes you do because you always secretly say no, but actually, no you don't want to say yes.

I guess I'll just egg this thread up because it was my grand predetermined destiny to do so in the grand scheme of "No I don't."

I was literally built and engineered to post omelettes.

Even though I don't want to. I don't even want to even don't want.

Quote from: Snowtrap on December 02, 2015, 06:43:38 PM

If I were to make a chart monitoring how low my mood drops as Christmas approaches it'd look a lot like a climber falling off mount Everest.

But hey, at least I can drown myself in a bathtub of eggnog.

Why baby? Not on Santa's nice list?

Family drama has a habit of starting up before, or at christmas time. Like clockwork. That's usually when I feel the most on my own.

Being Canadian.

As a fellow canadian the only thing I know for sure about you, and what I notice first, isn't that you're canadian.

It's the hockey.

Quote from: Snowtrap on December 02, 2015, 01:12:31 PM

Sure matches up pretty well when applied to women too, doesn't it.

I've stated twice already that I don't believe men OR women are oppressed, and that it's an inappropriate word to use to describe a 1st world country in the 21st century.

What I believe is that women are exploited. No one is being oppressed.

Slaves were oppressed. Children in Africa are oppressed.

I just think it's an extremely hyperbolic word to use, so I won't use it.
Go ahead and use it if you want, but I refuse.

Hokay. There we are. Now we're on the same page here.

Quote from: Christmas dinner = Murder on December 02, 2015, 12:56:53 PM

Try what? You argued that the word 'oppression' isn't accurate, so I just replaced it with a phrase that's more precise but less dramatic.

Here's a more accurate rephrasing:

"Men aren't oppressed or exploited; here's a list of ways in which men are [taught to behave in a manner than conforms to some cultural expectation, often resulting in harm or distress and a general negative effect on society] and exploited."

Take that sentence, remove any instance of the word men and replace it with women. Here, wanna see?

"Women aren't oppressed or exploited; here's a list of ways in which women are [taught to behave in a manner than conforms to some cultural expectation, often resulting in harm or distress and a general negative effect on society] and exploited."

Sure matches up pretty well when applied to women too, doesn't it.

Stop dancing around on technicalities and say it like it fucking is. Guys are oppressed too. Maybe not in the manner that women are.

But that doesn't negate it. And it shouldn't be used as a paltry fucking excuse for you to casually shunt it aside and brush it off. Or for the guy who wrote the article. Stop taking the issue and thinking of it as black and white.

Instead, take a look at the whole fucking picture.

Both sides have some retarded societal baggage dropped and enforced on them. Feminism supposedly stands for equality for all right? And you wouldn't argue that.

So why dismiss that the possibility doesn't even exist that guys aren't oppressed or exploited when they clearly are, and have been? Why shunt one side into a category that's not oppression so therefore basically safe to discard?

Quote from: Snowtrap on December 02, 2015, 12:10:38 PM

There's some magic number that means it can be constituted as oppression?

Well... yeah. Considering we're talking about systemic oppression of an entire gender. I thought that's what we were talking about, anyway.

Apparently men are beaten if they cry, or something.

I haven't heard of this ever happening, so I'd just like to see the numbers to see if they're more than just isolated incidents committed by crazy anomalies.

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Male child soldiers in third world countries.

We're not talking about third world countries. Well, I'm not.

It's a whole different ball park in third world countries.

Oh, handy how you didn't mention some more specifics beforehand. But, okay. So we're ballparking in first world then.

Hokay.

Let's talk about macho man culture and how it basically infests and advertises from all corners in society. It's taken and shoveled out to guys and enforced as the way to do things. Companies obviously make a killing on that mindset because of all the shit they sell.

Macho man big trucks. Sports shit. Hunting. All that stuff.

And you wouldn't call that a form of oppression or exploitation?

Oho but wait, let me stop a minute here because what kind of oppression are we talking here?

Soft oppression(which doesn't really count because its soft and all guys experience this form which therefore magically invalidates it wink wink nudge nudge) Or hard oppression which is what all ladies automatically experience by default?

I mean, come on here Verb. I know you're a fan of feminism and I know you've got that wonderful hate boner for guys in general.

But gimme a break. Let's drop this categorization bullshit. This is why I don't like organizations of any kind. Too keen on shunting everything into a "them and us" black and white mindset.

You know things aren't so simple. For either side, male or female.

Quote from: Snowtrap on December 02, 2015, 12:05:00 PM

How about the dads who beat their kids because of it? Or other kids? They beat you up because you cry.

I'd have to see the numbers.

Well that's even fucking worse.

There's some magic number that means it can be constituted as oppression?

So you'd tell me childhood doesn't count as oppression because of a number margin. Or the the stuff I've seen in other people's lives too.

Oh ya, let's talk about exploitation too.

Male child soldiers in third world countries. They're picked to be soldiers because they're guys.

For a guy who takes a lot of emphasis on 100% in things, shunting the bad shit that happens to guys as "not oppression" because it happens in a lower or different frequency, is, to put it politely, dun goofing of you.

Quote from: Christmas dinner = Murder on December 02, 2015, 11:57:48 AM

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“Men are NOT exploited or oppressed by sexism, but there are ways in which WE suffer as a result of it.”

We are taught early on that “boys don’t cry,” that to show sensitivity or emotional vulnerability is a sign of weakness. Men are discouraged from practicing nurturing, caregiving, compassion and compromise for the same reason. So there is an enormous amount of pressure placed on men to “prove our manhood” by acting tough, projecting strength and repressing our emotions so as to appear in control at all times. This is compounded by the fact that men are often more admired for being aggressive, dominant and violent than for being cooperative, vulnerable or empathetic. Not only is all of this damaging behavior encouraged in individual men, but those same values are also reflected in our larger political and military institutions, often to disastrous effect.

"Men aren't oppressed or exploited; here's a list of ways in which men are oppressed and exploited."

Isn't it fun when people insult your intelligence?

He never listed ways in which men are oppressed or exploited. Just ways in which we "suffer". They're different.

How is being told that "boys don't cry" oppressive or exploitative.

It's an inane standard to hold males to, but it's still neither of those things.

It's oppressive when everybody tells you. And that's exactly what people do.

I'll give you an example. I'm a writer. If I told any people in my area, that I like writing stories, I would immidiately get waved off, told that I can't accomplish anything with that, and that I should just go out and get a job on an oil rig or something.

That's both guys, and women.

That's an imposed lifestyle, and writing is not one seen as befitting for a guy to do.

And you're telling me that's not oppression?

Quote from: Verbatim on December 02, 2015, 11:33:04 AM

contrary to common misconceptions, feminism is not about “man hating” or “female supremacy.”

it should be

Well that's dumb. Come on Class. Ya'll know better than that.

"Men are not exploited or oppressed"

At which point the article goes on to explain how societal norms damage guys or limit in them in their capacity. Just a little bit of a contradiction there.

But, speaking of feminism, me and my sister had an interesting discussion a little while back Verb. We were both talking about how the stay at home mom deal is kind of villainized now, by the forgive my generalization "I don't need no man" kind of mindset that's more predominant in women these days.

It seems like they're brushing off the traditional old values and roles and demonizing them, while forgetting that at the same time, people can choose to live in that style or role if they want to.