http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885
Before we all right McHugh off as a religious hick there is still the issue of extremely high suicide rates for SRS patients that no one in the thread has yet to address. Those who had the sex-change surgery were almost 20 times more likely to take their own lives than the non-transgender population. They were also more likely to seek in-house treatment for psychiatric conditions.

The study was conducted in 2011, so you'd be pretty hard pressed to categorize the data as 'outdated'.

something i like to repost:

from here

3.3. Percentages of transsexuals with symptoms
of anxiety and depression according to the
hormonal treatment
Overall, 61% of the group of patients without treatment and
33% of the group with hormonal treatment experienced
possible symptoms (score 8—10) or symptoms (score >11)
of anxiety (Table 3). The same pattern was found for symptoms
of depression;the percentages were significantly higher
in the group of patients without treatment (31%) than in the
group on hormonal treatment (8%).

You might be confused by the fact that transsexuals remain at high risk for suicide after transitioning, but the question is whether or not they would have been at a high risk anyway if they hadn't transitioned, because the transgender tendency might relate to a mental health difference that non-transgender populations do not exhibit. See: http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885

"For the purpose of evaluating the safety of sex reassignment in terms of morbidity and mortality, however, it is reasonable to compare sex reassigned persons with matched population controls. The caveat with this design is that transsexual persons before sex reassignment might differ from healthy controls (although this bias can be statistically corrected for by adjusting for baseline differences). It is therefore important to note that the current study is only informative with respect to transsexuals persons health after sex reassignment; no inferences can be drawn as to the effectiveness of sex reassignment as a treatment for transsexualism. In other words, the results should not be interpreted such as sex reassignment per se increases morbidity and mortality. Things might have been even worse without sex reassignment. As an analogy, similar studies have found increased somatic morbidity, suicide rate, and overall mortality for patients treated for bipolar disorder and schizophrenia.[39], [40] This is important information, but it does not follow that mood stabilizing treatment or antipsychotic treatment is the culprit."

Quote from: Varg on February 21, 2016, 06:35:22 PM

You'd have to look elsewhere for a better way to try and slam transgender people.

This right here is a big part of the problem. There is this attitude that anyone even somewhat critical of transgenderism is being hateful. It stifles and limits conversation.

Everyone shitposts, but I, and I assume everyone else here who is questioning or unsure about the matter, am concerned about the mental and physical well-being of these people. What happens twenty years from now, if my kid comes out transgender? I want to be absolutely sure they are able to get what they need, be it medicine or counseling or what. I'm not throwing caution to the wind for the sake of a spook like tolerance, and accusing me of bigotry isn't going to make me change my mind.

I think a lot of us, myself included, are just baffled that people are against what has otherwise been a standard medical practice for so long now. It's not that it's bad to question the practice, it's just that those questioning it seem to put forth very little supporting evidence for the notion that the treatment might not be appropriate. I've seen plenty of statistics suggesting it's a decent attempt at treating gender dysphoria, but most arguments I see against it are qualitative, not quantitative. It's easier (though admittedly wrong) to blame bigotry especially when people repeatedly cite statistics that inappropriately compare the control population with treated/untreated gender dysphoric persons or refer to outspoken medical professionals who seem more influenced by their upbringing/beliefs than any research.

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Refers to homosexuality as "erroneous desire"

Well, biologically this is correct.

On another front, as the sexuality debate within mainline churches seems to have shifted so profoundly in favor of the left, how do you see the debates of the broader culture changing in the next five to ten years?

It really is amazing ... I mean, 50 years ago [homosexual behavior] was a crime, and now we're talking about [same-sex marriage]. Anyone who wants to stick with the tradition is accused of being a biblical literalist or a homophobic racist, because, in part, of the more fundamental change in our society towards permissiveness, that is, easy divorce, cohabitation and concubinage, abortion, pornography ... and euthanasia. The issue of the homosexual is not separate ... it's all part and parcel of the pandemonium that the permissive movement has brought. We have just licensed all kinds of behavior."

You have noted the critical influence of social behavior clusters on sexual development. You also mentioned that, early on in your medical training, you knew there were certain things that would disqualify you from becoming a doctor, including poor grades, a criminal record or a failed marriage.

Yes, that's right. Fundamentally, I expected that, if I did marry, I was supposed to make it a go.

Now, wouldn't some argue that those were societal expectations which were imposed upon you and your generation?

Yes, and they were good ones - and biblically based, and part and parcel of my commitment to really what amounts to loving relationships. You see, what has happened with the permissive movement is that it has picked up the Freudian confusion of desire and love, making them the same. And with the implication, for example, that I must desire my mother. I don't desire my mother. I love my mother. Now the fact is that in my marriage, of course, I desired this woman and I felt love for her. Now, 50 years into marriage with her, I still desire her, but now I love her. She's irreplaceable. There is this thing that has come and it's different. This person exists for me as irreplaceable. So, there is this confusion of desire and love. [Homosexuality] is erroneous desire.

Doesn't sound to me like he's making any appeal to biology.

The notion of it usually fills me with an anxious sort of rage. Perhaps thanks to SJW silliness I've come to associate rape with other forms of abuse in terms of the mental effects and idea of "domination" of a human being, which makes me reflect on the morbidity of the world and the way people interact with/treat each other.

Quote from: Tsirist on February 14, 2016, 03:05:46 AM

By unquestionable do you mean practically or absolutely?

I'll have to read the paper myself I suppose; I'm only familiar with proofs that make use of these axioms, not proofs on the axioms themselves, and your explanation doesn't clarify much to me. Is it to say that we can conclude that some part of the axiomatic system is true even if we can't prove it? That seems contradictory to me.

From my experience it's more correct to say that the axioms define truth for a system that obeys those axioms; I've recently been studying the hyperreal numbers system, a system where different scales of infinitely large and small numbers exist alongside real numbers; under the hyperreal axioms this is perfectly fine but under the real number axioms it's impossible.

You can't prove or disprove the hyperreal axioms as universally true or false, you either accept them and work with a system in which they exist, or reject them and work with a system in which they don't.

This was my understanding as well.

But that sentence literally implies that they are questionable. "The axioms cannot be proven within the system"

i feel bad for all the lifeforms that are stuck in systems in intergalactic space
or in systems that are, in the case of our galaxy, far above the plane of the disc
must feel lonely.

mfw interstellar travel is never feasible anyways

do you think they look at our galaxies and just kinda hope someone out there is thinking about them in their loneliness?

god damn it i actually expected to get something useful here

i did this a couple of times back in the day
it definitely had some benefits, but whether or not they're worth it is up to the individual

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Gandalf was the coolest. Chosen by the divine to replace another ROFL

I actually don't know the details of how that worked but

if a sun made of lava collided with a sun made of ice, what would happen?

I put together an F-22 model once. Was really cool. No idea where it is now.

i too believe league deserves a good fucking

Anyone ever try listening to music while smoking pot? Curious as to the effects on your perception of it, during the high and later when you're sober again.