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« on: October 13, 2015, 12:27:01 AM »
yfw you find out you will die "in the definition of suffering for you, specifically"
So I'm going to die by living? :^)
Maybe even worse than that! 
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« on: October 13, 2015, 12:26:00 AM »
Actually I sometimes wonder if it's possible to "exist" as a rock.
Rocks don't have brains, or anything comparable to brains; they are just pieces of compacted sediment. You can't exist as a rock, no.
Rocks are made of the same things humans are, friend. So long as I cannot identify what "part" of me enables me to be here and experience this, I will conclude that such an interface may be more adaptable than that.
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« on: October 13, 2015, 12:21:04 AM »
Actually I sometimes wonder if it's possible to "exist" as a rock. Could you have that metaphysical/whatever-explanation interface into such an object such that you could "perceive" its being? Obviously as humans we are, in some ways, just rocks, and our interface is somehow aware of the changes in state within the brain, which themselves can be indicative of changes in state of the body as a whole. So asking what it's like to be fertilizer isn't too far outside my personal scope, but it's not exactly the easiest thing to conceive of/relate to considering. 
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« on: October 13, 2015, 12:13:00 AM »
yfw you find out you will die "in the definition of suffering for you, specifically"
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« on: October 12, 2015, 11:15:39 PM »
Oh eggsalad for sure!
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« on: October 12, 2015, 11:10:39 PM »
I agree! The question of experience under the influence of impaired memory with otherwise normal faculties is quite different from the question of experience of death. All I meant was to demonstrate that your comments about bodily death had no bearing on the question of experience/life thereafter.
[edit:] Also wow I didn't expect the poll to end up evening out after that start.
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« on: October 12, 2015, 10:57:17 PM »
How is it saddening?
Everything that makes me alive stops when I die. My brain shuts off, my heart stops, and my blood stops flowing. To me, there's no logical conclusion that can be made from this other than your sensations stop in all ways. I didn't feel anything before I was born, there's no compelling evidence suggesting I'll feel after, and a lot of sound reasoning suggesting it's the end. I can understand people who want to use faith as a means to justify this belief, but I don't understand how someone can try to reason it.
I suppose it's not inherently saddening, but it gets in the way of trying to share my excitement to see what death holds. It's just being hyped up for something nobody else is, that's all. I'm not sure what sound reason you are referring to. I know there have been times in my life when I have been fully functional as a human that may not have even happened as far as I'm concerned because of the anesthetic drugs I was made to use. Like, knowing that I was conscious, speaking, and performing normally, but not being able to remember it . . . that is what I liken the possibility of death between life to. The notion of life returning is one I attach to simply for the fact that I am, for some reason, here now.
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« on: October 12, 2015, 10:39:43 PM »
I want an actual answer here.
What is the value of a conversation where all positions and assertions are fundamentally equal?
A discussion where Einsteinian gravity is of equal merit as me smashing my keyboard devalues the idea of communication.
For me the value lies in seeing why people are committed to their beliefs about one form of afterlife, or the lack of any continued perceived existence whatsoever. I honestly do not hold the view that death is the end, and that's part of why I'm excited for it. Knowing that others do not feel the same way is somewhat saddening, in some ways, and conversation is a way to become closer over the matter.
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« on: October 12, 2015, 10:34:26 PM »
Discussion without empiricism is redundant and pointless.
A metaphysical discussion is one that transcends the authority of logic itself.
This may be true, but as we've discussed many times, the phenomenon of existence goes beyond empirical matters, no?
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« on: October 12, 2015, 10:30:06 PM »
Dan my man. I don't know who you are but I'm feelin' you right now.
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« on: October 12, 2015, 10:14:35 PM »
No.
We're not our bodies, we are souls temporarily inhabiting a body. The soul is eternal.
What makes you think this is true? Genuinely curious.
Can you designate the key part of you that "causes" you to experience things at all? Humans are just machines, the curious part is that we somehow inhabit and see out of one of these machines (or at least, I do, as far as I know). There's some sort of interface between that thing, that experience of being, and this human body "of mine". This body could live and even speak these things without me experiencing it, surely, so what am I and why am I here?
I don't think this is true. I don't think a "Soul" is needed for a mechanical system like my body and brain to have a conscious outlook on my surroundings. I really do view it as just a problem of complexity; and I don't see any compelling reasons to think otherwise.
Nor do I! However, given a system in which I can evidently manifest like this, I see no reason the conditions (complex or simple as they may be) might not arise again.
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« on: October 12, 2015, 10:07:32 PM »
No.
We're not our bodies, we are souls temporarily inhabiting a body. The soul is eternal.
What makes you think this is true? Genuinely curious.
Can you designate the key part of you that "causes" you to experience things at all? Humans are just machines, the curious part is that we somehow inhabit and see out of one of these machines (or at least, I do, as far as I know). There's some sort of interface between that thing, that experience of being, and this human body "of mine". This body could live and even speak these things without me experiencing it, surely, so what am I and why am I here?
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« on: October 12, 2015, 08:20:57 PM »
Personally I always felt that since I'm here now and not having a sensory experience of any kind would literally be unnoticeable, then whatever led to me being here now could very well happen again given an infinite expanse of possibilities metaphysically.
That which explains everything explains nothing.
Basing beliefs on vagueness like that is dogmatic, at best.
I wouldn't say it explains everything, exactly. Rather, it would explain the one thing that matters. The puzzling fact that I'm here at all is what I try to derive that conclusion from.
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« on: October 12, 2015, 07:18:58 PM »
Verb, please keep in mind that according to Newtonian physics, it takes 1.123*10^18 J to accelerate a 100kg object to half the speed of light (the actual energy is higher because of relativity).
The total energy consumption of humanity right now is estimated to be 5.598*10^20 J according to Wikipedia.
Explain to me how you would go about travelling to look for alien life (since you assume they would if they existed) yourself.
To be fair humanities power output 200 years ago was probably below 10^4
Egg you eat more than that in a day fucking lol
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« on: October 12, 2015, 07:17:26 PM »
Explain to me how you would go about travelling to look for alien life (since you assume they would if they existed) yourself.
I wouldn't. What a complete waste of time and resources that would be.
wtf then why do you expect to have heard from aliens if you wouldn't even look for them as an alien yourself?
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« on: October 12, 2015, 07:15:16 PM »
Verb, please keep in mind that according to Newtonian physics, it takes 1.123*10^18 J to accelerate a 100kg object to half the speed of light (the actual energy is higher because of relativity).
The total energy consumption of humanity right now is estimated to be 5.598*10^20 J according to Wikipedia.
Explain to me how you would go about travelling to look for alien life (since you assume they would if they existed) yourself.
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« on: October 12, 2015, 07:03:20 PM »
Simple question. Do you expect death to be the complete end of your perceptual experiences? If you don't think it is, feel free to elaborate as to why! Reincarnation, after-life, all is fair game!
Note that I do not mean the end of who you are now. Clearly, you, in the sense of the human brain/body you experience, will be dead. But will you end up experiencing something else or will there be the classic "nothingness, forever, infinitely"?
Personally I always felt that since I'm here now and not having a sensory experience of any kind would literally be unnoticeable, then whatever led to me being here now could very well happen again given an infinite expanse of possibilities metaphysically. I figure that, given a world as arbitrarily ordered as this one is . . . I cannot think of a reason to assume it's one of many possibilities. I kinda assume that when I die my perceptual experience will reignite in some other condition.
But I'll admit that trying to apply human rationality to such a thing might be foolish. Nevertheless, my answer would be no.
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« on: October 12, 2015, 06:49:14 PM »
How rare is it? Kind of an odd question, not really sure how to answer it. Like the fraction of planetary bodies that harbor intelligent life? Hell if I know.
Does it probably exist beyond Earth? I'd feel pretty confident wagering that it does.
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« on: October 11, 2015, 11:04:48 PM »
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« on: October 10, 2015, 09:05:21 PM »
father lives away from mother. first time i shaved was at mother's. i was kind of puzzled at the lack of instruction i was given (basically, "don't run it sideways or it will cut you") but it proved simple enough
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« on: October 10, 2015, 08:41:12 PM »
i don't get this meme
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« on: October 10, 2015, 07:55:37 PM »
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« on: October 10, 2015, 07:54:03 PM »
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« on: October 10, 2015, 03:06:53 PM »
@camus speaking of books you read in school
i have fond memories of kokoro for some reason.
i have distinct memories of perfume for COMPLETELY different reasons lol. what a fucking novel
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« on: October 10, 2015, 02:25:53 PM »
The Dragon Never Sleeps
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« on: October 10, 2015, 02:09:41 PM »
we should break up because i'm not good enough for you :^)
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« on: October 10, 2015, 12:23:04 PM »
As interesting as NASA's work tends to be, does anyone else question the amount of good it does for us compared to the value we might find in investing in things like bioengineering research? Of course, this might not have been the case in the past, but I wonder if we've extracted most of the direct technological progress from space travel that we can. There are problems that remain to be solved, of course, but I wonder if there aren't more lucrative opportunities we could address now.
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« on: October 10, 2015, 11:57:07 AM »
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