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« on: October 24, 2015, 11:30:58 AM »
muh state machines
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« on: October 24, 2015, 11:30:00 AM »
But people can want to have children for the sake of being able to raise someone with a higher quality of life than they had. In fact that is such a common reason that I'd say most people who thoughtfully have kids do it in part with that in mind. They find happiness in life, and they believe they have the tools to give their children even happier lives than they had. Which would be noble if having kids was mandatory, which it isn't. Like, if we had no other choice but to have kids, that would be a good mindset.
I don't follow. From your anti-egoism standpoint it seems to me that not having children is the egotistical thing to do, as it removes the people being born into the planet, inflating the value of those who remain, as well as eliminating a great deal of potential happiness. When you have children, it isn't just for your own entertainment, even if you want it to be; almost all people find happiness in life as well, so regardless of your intentions, I don't think it really pans out as a purely self-serving action. An individual's intent may be selfish, but again, aren't everyone's intentions always just that?
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« on: October 24, 2015, 11:18:44 AM »
Determinism is some stupid shit tbh
 You literally can't avoid it. Free will cannot exist either, as far as we know.
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« on: October 24, 2015, 11:14:31 AM »
Wanting genetic survival is as egotistical as you can get.
Not really, unless your reasoning behind it is egotistical. But wanting children is not egotistical at it's base.
99% of people's reasoning is pretty egotistical, though. I can't think of a non-egotistical reason to have children.
"muh bloodline"
"muh genes"
"muh fatherhood"
"muh legacy"
I think such a line of reasoning makes it pretty clear that anything and everything you do is inherently egotistical, as long as you had a choice in the matter. But people can want to have children for the sake of being able to raise someone with a higher quality of life than they had. In fact that is such a common reason that I'd say most people who thoughtfully have kids do it in part with that in mind. They find happiness in life, and they believe they have the tools to give their children even happier lives than they had.
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« on: October 24, 2015, 12:22:10 AM »
Well, that's exactly my point -- free will doesn't come into play. These people cannot choose to not think this way, so how much of it is really their fault?
That answer isn't really up to me, I think. You can choose for yourself how to handle that knowledge. Personally I like to treat everything I myself do as though it were done with my own free will, for the purposes of holding myself accountable. But at the end of the day, I try to use this very understanding that you've brought up to encourage myself to try and understand that others exist the way they do because of the course the world set them on to begin with. Is it their fault? Yes, and no. I like to lean towards no because empathy I guess. But in the context of their system . . . they do as they are designed to, and in that sense it is entirely their fault.
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« on: October 24, 2015, 12:16:19 AM »
It may not be "their fault" in the sense of a free agent making a bad decision, but a human as a system is capable of rationality and judgement without having free will. Law is based on that fact and has no need for free will as a concept. Law is natural just as human behavior is.
Sure, a human is capable of rationality, but not the same rationality that everyone else possesses.
For example, a man with a starving family could rationally decide that the end justifies the means for stealing a loaf of bread.
Or, in a more extreme sense, that someone deserves to die.
Clearly these people don't operate on the same level of rationality that we do, but again, that isn't their fault. They may have mental deficiencies or genetic predispositions.
I don't disagree with that assessment at all, though I might word it more carefully so as not to make thieves sound inhuman.  Nevertheless, where does any sort of free will come into play there?
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« on: October 24, 2015, 12:15:08 AM »
Our minds are stochastic -- effectively random -- and so our will, while entirely deterministic, is effectively free and undetermined.
Something either stochastic or determined--or both--is not anything which can be called a "will".
I'm talking about our minds, though. We're deterministically chaotic; call it free will or not, we are what we are.
Is that to say that your actions are determined by anything other than nature though? Just because there is randomness involved in the process does not mean that that randomness derives from free will, unless you think rocks, which are not solids for timeframes in which quantum effects allow them to rearrange themselves randomly, have some sort of will for this reason.
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« on: October 24, 2015, 12:11:45 AM »
...how does one reconcile our law and the punishment of criminals with that belief? If no one is truly in control of their actions, it's not their fault they're breaking the law.
It may not be "their fault" in the sense of a free agent making a bad decision, but a human as a system is capable of rationality and judgement without having free will. Law is based on that fact and has no need for free will as a concept. Law is natural just as human behavior is. obligatory STATE MACHINES cross-meme that nobody not from bungle will get
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« on: October 23, 2015, 11:58:51 PM »
I still don't understand why you even posted. The OP made an observation that there were more people shot today. Sure, that happens every day. Are we supposed to not talk about it?
There's nothing to talk about. Some people had a disagreement and shot each other.
I think if that were the case then this thread would have had zero replies.
Except for the clickbait title.
Takes two to tango, and you weren't even the first to engage OP. 
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« on: October 23, 2015, 09:51:13 PM »
I still don't understand why you even posted. The OP made an observation that there were more people shot today. Sure, that happens every day. Are we supposed to not talk about it?
There's nothing to talk about. Some people had a disagreement and shot each other.
I think if that were the case then this thread would have had zero replies.
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« on: October 23, 2015, 05:54:23 PM »
Fun fact: I began with a different word for cure: panacea. Then I thought, no, I do not have such a thing for gun violence, not absolutely. But what helps to a lesser degree when dealing with some sort of ail? My mind naturally jumped to DotA because I'm a fucking nerd and gave me "salve" because that's a thing there, but that reminded me of Wheel of Time where they seem to go back and forth between salves and poultices, and when I thought of that, I figured, "panacea and poultice start with the same letter!" which obviously made them the ideal words. No thesaurus used. [edit:] Also gotten run, I'll be back in a couple of hours.
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« on: October 23, 2015, 05:51:10 PM »
I still don't understand why you even posted. The OP made an observation that there were more people shot today. Sure, that happens every day. Are we supposed to not talk about it?
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« on: October 23, 2015, 05:47:45 PM »
A panacea? No, but a poultice, perhaps. Nice thesaurus.
But I'm not here to argue that topic. Seens like you are. All I did was correct the OP and you come in acting like I'm indifferent to gun violence and these mass shootings.
I just wanted to point out that his was not a valid argument against those who have something to say about this. When somebody says, "we really need to stop this from happening all the time", to observe that "wow, this happens all the time" is merely to agree with their observation of the situation and not to make some sort of point.
It wasn't an argument. I was correcting the OP.
And I'd really like to see your solutions for gun violence. Because I can assure you, there's no easy way to solve this issue.
Panacea and poultice are not hard words to know lol. Panacea comes from school, poultice from any reading of any fantasy book ever And forgive me for inferring your position from what I already know about you. You even went into it above after someone else brought it up, and from the title and article it was pretty clear what the issue was. No, it's not a mass shooting, but the fact that it was another shooting is accurate. Regardless, your attempt to downplay an event that should clearly be avoided is still not defensible under such a rationale as "this happens all the time". I never made it about guns. And again, I'm not here to argue against guns. I just like to cut people down when they say shit like "lol no surprise here happens all the time"
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« on: October 23, 2015, 02:55:05 PM »
It's just some guys that had a disagreement. Nobody shot up the school.
This shit happens all the time. The only reason you're hearing about it is because it happened near/at a school.
"Whatever, happens all the time" is quite the defense.
Do you have a cure to propose for the intersection of stupidity and conflict?
A panacea? No, but a poultice, perhaps. But I'm not here to argue that topic. I just wanted to point out that his was not a valid argument against those who have something to say about this. When somebody says, "we really need to stop this from happening all the time", to observe that "wow, this happens all the time" is merely to agree with their observation of the situation and not to make some sort of point.
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« on: October 23, 2015, 02:42:58 PM »
It's just some guys that had a disagreement. Nobody shot up the school.
This shit happens all the time. The only reason you're hearing about it is because it happened near/at a school.
"Whatever, happens all the time" is quite the defense.
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« on: October 21, 2015, 10:17:56 AM »
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« on: October 20, 2015, 11:06:38 PM »
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« on: October 20, 2015, 12:24:15 AM »
Personally I think the most realistic scenario is one in which we develop AI and "humanity" lives on as artificial intelligence, at which point it is significantly easier for human intelligence to spread through space because of reduced energy requirements, etc.
lets not develop AI pls
tbh i don't care how it pans out i just want to see us develop an artificial machine talk about the beauty of creation of life that mankind as a whole should produce a child like that
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« on: October 20, 2015, 12:05:57 AM »
Personally I think the most realistic scenario is one in which we develop AI and "humanity" lives on as artificial intelligence, at which point it is significantly easier for human intelligence to spread through space because of reduced energy requirements, etc.
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« on: October 19, 2015, 12:07:10 PM »
All the military assets that don't require soldiers...
And how will small arms help against those? I understand how anti-government military personnel could help against those but I don't see how the arms that civilians can own will help.
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« on: October 19, 2015, 12:02:54 PM »
meh, 3d printers
besides, what the fuck are you gonna do against armored targets and flying death machines with your little ar-15? some fucking defense i bet you can put up against the government
turn in the guns already
The vast majority of U.S. military personnel are from southern states and hold strong conservative political beliefs. They aren't mindless drones, and you can be damn sure they wouldn't turn on U.S. citizens.
idk, seems to me half of conservatives wouldn't oppose mob justice. i'd feel bad for the effect it could have on a couple of communities beyond that, if citizens will get assistance from the military, what do we have to worry about again, then?
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« on: October 18, 2015, 08:36:28 PM »
meh, 3d printers
besides, what the fuck are you gonna do against armored targets and flying death machines with your little ar-15? some fucking defense i bet you can put up against the government
turn in the guns already
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« on: October 18, 2015, 01:44:38 PM »
It's the principle.
I honestly feel uncomfortable referring to you as a female, but I do it anyways to be polite.
tbh this just comes across as having a stick up your ass. it has no beneficial application or meaning and doesn't help you in any way, but the fact that your mindset/principle has the effect of demeaning/hurting others is detrimental to society. how is that justifiable?
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« on: October 18, 2015, 11:15:54 AM »
Murder. The instant after replication the body experiences different stimuli that mind in the incubator has not, therefor the two are measurably different in memory and thought.
Even if you isolated the two minds in identical environments, the randomness of things on a quantum level would make them demonstrably different and with enough time would leave them completely distinct.
To add to egg's point, it's worth noting that, as I understand it, it is impossible to copy the information held in a quantum superposition. So there will always be some very minute difference between the original and the copy.
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« on: October 18, 2015, 12:59:49 AM »
so did muh patriotic freedom man step up and deliver swift justice upon this urban thug with a righteous demonstration of the right to bear glocks?
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« on: October 17, 2015, 10:06:40 PM »
 forgive the copied wallpaper, i don't usually have the second monitor on
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« on: October 17, 2015, 09:18:21 PM »
>cosmic brownies awful tier
gtfo faggot
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« on: October 17, 2015, 01:34:41 PM »
doom 3
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« on: October 17, 2015, 11:53:58 AM »
Texas has more than three times the population.
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« on: October 16, 2015, 09:59:44 PM »
void fuckOff(void) {
printf("fuck you, %s", "The Lord Ruler");
}
Can't wake up
void wakeSystem(void) { printf("waking it the fuck up. fuck you, %s", "The Lord Ruler"); __asm__("int 0x80\n"); }
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