Polling on Moderation Style for Sep7agon.Net

Alternative Facts · December 24, 2014, 03:57:22 PM

In light of the upcoming revamp to the look of the website under Isara, and due to concerns over problems in the way the site staff moderates the website - we have decided to take a look and update the current system as we go into the New Year, to make the site more appealing and open to all members.

In this poll, we are asking which type of moderation system you would prefer to see used for the website, out of three options - A strict system, a lax system, or a hybrid system. More information on the three systems are found directly below.

Strict System - Under this system of moderation, all rules will be enforced more heavily with a clear, concrete moderation process when it comes to warnings and bans (This process would be shared with the community once it is developed). While we will not become Waypoint and just ban without letting you know ahead of time that you are breaking the rules - there would be far less verbal warnings being given out before we actually take moderation action. Essentially: You know the rules, you follow the rules, or you lose privilege to post on the forums.
Lax System - Similar to what we have now, this system would take a more relaxed route to enforcing the rules, with moderation decisions less concrete. While there would be a suggestion moderation process, any punishments would ultimately come down to the Moderator that is online and handling the problem, along with the severity of the rule break, and whether or not there are alternatives to bans available
Hybrid System - This would use both the strict and lax systems, and apply them to different rules for the website. For example, Personal Attacks/Graphic Content/Harassment would fall under the Strict System - you know that it is not allowed, and the moderation process for handling them is concrete and clear. Issues like spam and shitposting, however, would fall under the Lax System - it comes down to the moderator's discretion as to how it is dealt with*

* The Hybrid System is up for consideration, but we also ask for your input on the idea - what rules should be strict, what should be lax, etc.

No matter what system is chosen, we will come up and inform the entire community of the new moderation guidelines and processes. We also ask for everyone to not only vote in this thread, but to voice your ideas and concerns in the comments below so that we may try and adapt this to suit the needs of the community.

This poll will run through the weekend, giving everyone ample time to vote and weigh in. Afterwards, the site staff will go over the results and begin work. If you have any questions, feel free to ask as well.

Thank you all, and have a great holiday!

~Sep7agon Site Staff

Mat Cauthon · December 24, 2014, 04:01:17 PM

The Hybrid looks like the best of both.
Yes, people have an issue with shitposting, but activity is activity, even if it's a badly worn out joke.

Nick McIntyre · December 24, 2014, 04:03:02 PM

Hybrid is literally the best of both worlds. And like Sento just said (you fucking ninja):

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Yes, people have an issue with shitposting, but activity is activity, even if it's a badly worn out joke.

I'm not the biggest fan of the shitposting/spam, but it does produce activity for the site and actually entertains people.

Keep the "You lose your Custom Plate if you done FUCKED IT UP" rule though. :3

Verbatim · December 24, 2014, 04:06:48 PM

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/middle-ground

Alternative Facts · December 24, 2014, 04:09:21 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on December 24, 2014, 04:06:48 PM

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/middle-ground

I'd hardly say this is applicable.

Anonymous (User Deleted) · December 24, 2014, 04:09:38 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on December 24, 2014, 04:06:48 PM

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/middle-ground

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/the-fallacy-fallacy

CIS · December 24, 2014, 04:10:39 PM

The best option is obviously the lax system as it would result in more staff sideshows that erupt due to conflicting opinions.

Verbatim · December 24, 2014, 04:11:45 PM

Quote from: Kupo on December 24, 2014, 04:09:38 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on December 24, 2014, 04:06:48 PM
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/middle-ground
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/the-fallacy-fallacy

Fallacy fallacy fallacy.

People seem to be under the impression that the middle ground is the best because it's the middle ground (instead of actually considering the extremes). I'd say that's the perfect application.

Doesn't matter though; if you voted, you voted...

R o c k e t · December 24, 2014, 04:12:24 PM

Hybrid, and I agree with heavy emphasis on the 2 rules listed below. Personal Attacks and Graphic Content. People shouldn't have to worry about their personal beliefs or lives being attacked. And they shouldn't have to deal with harassment either. As for NSFW, well we've got anarchy. And we have rules for some NSFW material that is allowed. People know the rules, and if you don't: learn them.

So on those matters people should know not to go there. The punishments for those should be in the more severe grouping of punishments. No warnings. Just give them a good kick so they'll learn we don't tolerate that behavior.

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Respect fellow members, or at least tolerate them publicly. Harassment and personal attacks are not tolerated in any manner on Sep7agon.net, and will be dealt with appropriately. This does not only include attacks regarding one's religious beliefs, ethnicity, sexual orientation, gender identity, mental capacity, but also extends to continued and unwanted bothersome behavior. The site staff will look at each case individually and determine the best course of action.

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Graphic content with discussion value must be posted only in the Serious board, while NSFW content that is not graphic may be placed in The Flood board. Both cases must be placed in spoiler tags and notably marked. This does not include pornographic images (including Hentai), videos and text which are only to be posted in the Anarchy forum.

Mr. Psychologist · December 24, 2014, 04:12:24 PM

Quote from: CIS Scum on December 24, 2014, 04:10:39 PM

The best option is obviously the lax system as it would result in more staff sideshows that erupt due to conflicting opinions.

Can you just not be a vulture to drama for once? Seriously.

CIS · December 24, 2014, 04:12:26 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on December 24, 2014, 04:11:45 PM

Quote from: Kupo on December 24, 2014, 04:09:38 PM
Quote from: Verbatim on December 24, 2014, 04:06:48 PM
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/middle-ground
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/the-fallacy-fallacy
Fallacy fallacy fallacy.

People seem to be under the impression that the middle ground is the best because it's the middle ground (instead of actually considering the extremes). I'd say that's the perfect application.

Doesn't matter though; if you voted, you voted...

Seriously, if you hate shitposting and messing around so much why do you even come to this place?

Verbatim · December 24, 2014, 04:13:01 PM

Quote from: CIS Scum on December 24, 2014, 04:12:26 PM

Seriously, if you hate shitposting and messing around so much why do you even come to this place?

Because I'd like to change it.

CIS · December 24, 2014, 04:14:42 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on December 24, 2014, 04:13:01 PM

Quote from: CIS Scum on December 24, 2014, 04:12:26 PM
Seriously, if you hate shitposting and messing around so much why do you even come to this place?
Because I'd like to change it.

So basically you want to only have what you like on here and nothing else?

TB · December 24, 2014, 04:14:53 PM

Hybrid sounds best to me.

Verbatim · December 24, 2014, 04:15:13 PM

Quote from: CIS Scum on December 24, 2014, 04:14:42 PM

So basically you want to only have what you like on here and nothing else?

Who doesn't?

Alternative Facts · December 24, 2014, 04:15:42 PM

I'd like to remind everyone, staff and non-staff, to avoid fighting or swaying votes in here. Just a precautionary warning.

I don't want to have to clean stuff out.

R o c k e t · December 24, 2014, 04:17:39 PM

Vote, propose ideas, then leave.
Let's not debate other people's ideas in here >_>

We're reading what you propose.

BaconShelf · December 24, 2014, 04:23:43 PM

Strict. I also want to add that mods need to act more professional. Not baiting or making shitposts.

CIS · December 24, 2014, 04:28:18 PM

Quote from: ßå¢øñŠħëłƒ on December 24, 2014, 04:23:43 PM

Strict. I also want to add that mods need to act more professional. Not baiting or making shitposts.

But that's some funny ass shit.

R o c k e t · December 24, 2014, 04:32:27 PM

Quote from: CIS Scum on December 24, 2014, 04:28:18 PM

Quote from: ßå¢øñŠħëłƒ on December 24, 2014, 04:23:43 PM
Strict. I also want to add that mods need to act more professional. Not baiting or making shitposts.

But that's some funny ass shit.

You've expressed your ideas, allow him to do the same.
No crap in this thread please.

BaconShelf · December 24, 2014, 04:36:41 PM

Quote from: CIS Scum on December 24, 2014, 04:28:18 PM

Quote from: ßå¢øñŠħëłƒ on December 24, 2014, 04:23:43 PM
Strict. I also want to add that mods need to act more professional. Not baiting or making shitposts.

But that's some funny ass shit.

I'm sorry that I want to have mods that spend more time doing their fucking job than acting like children.

BaconShelf · December 24, 2014, 04:39:59 PM

I also want to add that anarchy goes back to its first state- anything goes as long as its legal. However, users must accept a notification saying that any spillage into other boards will result in instant bans. No exceptions.

DAS B00T x2 · December 24, 2014, 05:08:06 PM

The Serious Forum should obviously be strict, independent of the rest of the site.
Just throw some warnings out for excessive shitspam and the flood would be fine as is.

Sandtrap · December 24, 2014, 05:12:52 PM

Gentlemen. If we go for a hybrid I point you to this idea here. Bit of a read. But consider it.

http://sep7agon.net/index.php?topic=18769.0

Remember. That idea, that system, isn't meant to overwrite our current setup. It's an extension really. An extension for the part of the mod work that needs to be fine tuned carefully between relaxed and not relaxed.

Naoto · December 24, 2014, 05:17:53 PM

Can't see the results for some reason. Voted for lax as that is the most enjoyable user experience for me personally. I've had very few issues with moderation so far and would like to keep it that way. Staff has been doing a good job of handling issues of personal attack and harassment when necessary while not being overbearing. Mods as posters have so far managed to straddle the line between professional and enjoyable quite well imo.

Hybrid I'm pretty meh on. I see potential issues with differing definitions of 'personal attack' etc. Frankly I don't think it'll please any of the users calling for a more rigid system since most of their complaints seem aimed at shitposting. Its more likely just to create more conflict imo, and result in a higher loss of users to bans. As Icy said in the last thread not precisely my cup of tea since I prefer the current set up, but I guess I'd be willing to try it out for a time before passing judgment. If I had to.

I'm certain Strict would kill this site within a week, and would definitely affect my desire to come here.

Worst time for this discussion as I'm juggling family stuff like I'm sure many of you are. Won't be able to read or discuss as much as I'd like for a couple days here.

Verbatim · December 24, 2014, 05:19:06 PM

You're not supposed to be able to see the results.

Naoto · December 24, 2014, 05:20:17 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on December 24, 2014, 05:19:06 PM

You're not supposed to be able to see the results.

I don't like that. I'd prefer to know what the majority view is.
I see no reason to keep our opinions secret when we're posting them below.

Plus it would tell me if the moderation is going against the majority view.

Verbatim · December 24, 2014, 05:21:11 PM

It would just discourage people from voting for less popular options when they see that there's a strong majority, which I'm sure there probably is. And it would cause people to whine.

Septy · December 24, 2014, 05:24:05 PM

Hybrid but get rid of the fucking spam.

Mr. Psychologist · December 24, 2014, 05:37:44 PM

Quote from: Keyu on December 24, 2014, 05:17:53 PM

Worst time for this discussion as I'm juggling family stuff like I'm sure many of you are. Won't be able to read or discuss as much as I'd like for a couple days here.

^Hit the nail on the fucking head.

It's fucking christmas, we shouldn't be fething around on the bloody forums trying to figure out some rule change bollocks.

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