>Argonian hating Neo-Nazis
>"Morally superior"
LOLWat

What if I am with the Thalmor? All my characters were neither with the Empire nor The Stormcloak rebels.

What if I am with the Thalmor? All my characters were neither with the Empire nor The Stormcloak rebels.

Then I probably killed you at some point. I killed every Thalmor I met. And every elf in general. And anything that I didn't like. And basically everyone.

>Argonian hating Neo-Nazis
>"Morally superior"
LOLWat

>wanting disease ridden shitskin thieves in your city

Can't really blame them tbh.

Quote from: Kupo on February 06, 2015, 12:47:36 AM

Quote from: TrussingDoor on February 05, 2015, 03:34:34 PM

Quote from: Kupo on February 05, 2015, 03:21:38 PM

Quote from: TrussingDoor on February 05, 2015, 03:11:08 PM

Quote from: Kupo on February 05, 2015, 07:36:42 AM

He'll give everyone religious freedom, so long as they're not Argonian or Dunmer. Equality for everyone! Just some people are more equal than others.

okay first the Argonians aren't even religious, 2nd there is no implication at all that Ulfric intends to stop the Dunmer from worshipping their gods.

Then why are Argonians pretty much not allowed into Windhelm? And the Dunmer pushed into the 'Grey Quarter' (previously the Snow Corner but changed because racism)?

This literally has nothing to do with religious freedom.

Which is also not morally the same as in real life, because again we're talking about inherently different peoples, meaning inherently different behavior and natural rights, where magic and religion are actually real.

He's also not entirely unjustified in distrusting the Dunmer, seeing as this is in the back of their cornerclub.

Spoiler

So what if it's not religious discrimination >.> it's still something. And the Dunmer feel neglected while the Argonians actually are neglected.

Quote from: Kupo on February 06, 2015, 12:47:36 AM

Quote from: TrussingDoor on February 05, 2015, 03:34:34 PM

Quote from: Kupo on February 05, 2015, 03:21:38 PM

Quote from: TrussingDoor on February 05, 2015, 03:11:08 PM

Quote from: Kupo on February 05, 2015, 07:36:42 AM

He'll give everyone religious freedom, so long as they're not Argonian or Dunmer. Equality for everyone! Just some people are more equal than others.

okay first the Argonians aren't even religious, 2nd there is no implication at all that Ulfric intends to stop the Dunmer from worshipping their gods.

Then why are Argonians pretty much not allowed into Windhelm? And the Dunmer pushed into the 'Grey Quarter' (previously the Snow Corner but changed because racism)?

This literally has nothing to do with religious freedom.

Which is also not morally the same as in real life, because again we're talking about inherently different peoples, meaning inherently different behavior and natural rights, where magic and religion are actually real.

He's also not entirely unjustified in distrusting the Dunmer, seeing as this is in the back of their cornerclub.

Spoiler

So what if it's not religious discrimination >.> it's still something. And the Dunmer feel neglected while the Argonians actually are neglected.

Which doesn't REALLY matter, because Ulfric is just doing what's best for his cause right now. The fact that there is support for the Empire among the community leaders of the Dunmer doesn't exactly look good. And like I said, the Argonians have to be kept out because mixing the largest Argonian population in Skyrim with the largest Dunmer population in Skyrim is a really really bad idea.

Of course, again, "muh racism" is completely irrelevant, because Dunmee and Argonians aren't human, and are inherently different from humans biologically and psychologically.

Dunmer are daedra worshippers, which would be scary to ANY Nord, and Argonians are completely unpredictable, because the Hist can take over at any time.

Yeah, discrimination brought about by wartime paranoia. Sounds a lot like real life. The Empire has 'race-mixing' and they're fine, cowardly Emperor notwithstanding.
 

Quote from: Atticus on February 06, 2015, 11:41:34 AM

this doesnt even make sense.

<.<

Quote from: TrussingDoor on February 06, 2015, 09:46:35 AM

Quote from: Kupo on February 06, 2015, 12:47:36 AM

Quote from: TrussingDoor on February 05, 2015, 03:34:34 PM

Quote from: Kupo on February 05, 2015, 03:21:38 PM

Quote from: TrussingDoor on February 05, 2015, 03:11:08 PM

Quote from: Kupo on February 05, 2015, 07:36:42 AM

He'll give everyone religious freedom, so long as they're not Argonian or Dunmer. Equality for everyone! Just some people are more equal than others.

okay first the Argonians aren't even religious, 2nd there is no implication at all that Ulfric intends to stop the Dunmer from worshipping their gods.

Then why are Argonians pretty much not allowed into Windhelm? And the Dunmer pushed into the 'Grey Quarter' (previously the Snow Corner but changed because racism)?

This literally has nothing to do with religious freedom.

Which is also not morally the same as in real life, because again we're talking about inherently different peoples, meaning inherently different behavior and natural rights, where magic and religion are actually real.

He's also not entirely unjustified in distrusting the Dunmer, seeing as this is in the back of their cornerclub.

Spoiler

So what if it's not religious discrimination >.> it's still something. And the Dunmer feel neglected while the Argonians actually are neglected.

Quote from: Kupo on February 06, 2015, 12:47:36 AM

Quote from: TrussingDoor on February 05, 2015, 03:34:34 PM

Quote from: Kupo on February 05, 2015, 03:21:38 PM

Quote from: TrussingDoor on February 05, 2015, 03:11:08 PM

Quote from: Kupo on February 05, 2015, 07:36:42 AM

He'll give everyone religious freedom, so long as they're not Argonian or Dunmer. Equality for everyone! Just some people are more equal than others.

okay first the Argonians aren't even religious, 2nd there is no implication at all that Ulfric intends to stop the Dunmer from worshipping their gods.

Then why are Argonians pretty much not allowed into Windhelm? And the Dunmer pushed into the 'Grey Quarter' (previously the Snow Corner but changed because racism)?

This literally has nothing to do with religious freedom.

Which is also not morally the same as in real life, because again we're talking about inherently different peoples, meaning inherently different behavior and natural rights, where magic and religion are actually real.

He's also not entirely unjustified in distrusting the Dunmer, seeing as this is in the back of their cornerclub.

Spoiler

So what if it's not religious discrimination >.> it's still something. And the Dunmer feel neglected while the Argonians actually are neglected.

Which doesn't REALLY matter, because Ulfric is just doing what's best for his cause right now. The fact that there is support for the Empire among the community leaders of the Dunmer doesn't exactly look good. And like I said, the Argonians have to be kept out because mixing the largest Argonian population in Skyrim with the largest Dunmer population in Skyrim is a really really bad idea.

Of course, again, "muh racism" is completely irrelevant, because Dunmee and Argonians aren't human, and are inherently different from humans biologically and psychologically.

Dunmer are daedra worshippers, which would be scary to ANY Nord, and Argonians are completely unpredictable, because the Hist can take over at any time.

Yeah, discrimination brought about by wartime paranoia. Sounds a lot like real life. The Empire has 'race-mixing' and they're fine, cowardly Emperor notwithstanding.

How the fuck was the Emperor cowardly?  After the Dominion took over the Imperial City, he planned a sound strategy that took back the city and effectively ended the war.  He only had to sign the treaty due to the mass amount of casualties.  Even the Empires leading commanders like General Tulius hint the Empire is preparing to strike the Dominion, or at least are more prepared for defense than the last time.

Quote from: Voro 'Cinotai on February 06, 2015, 12:02:29 PM

How the fuck was the Emperor cowardly?  After the Dominion took over the Imperial City, he planned a sound strategy that took back the city and effectively ended the war.  He only had to sign the treaty due to the mass amount of casualties.  Even the Empires leading commanders like General Tulius hint the Empire is preparing to strike the Dominion, or at least are more prepared for defense than the last time.

He sold his soul to the Thalmor and consequently put the end of the world in motion. Would you not fight to the death to save the world?

<.<  Oh yes, a man concentrating on trying to keep the Empire alive and attempt to drive out the Dominion should have been more focused on a legend saying a dragon will re-appear thousands of years after they've been wiped out.

What is there to not understand? He was not right to discriminate against the Dunmer or Argonians! The 'reasons' you listed were paranoia at best, conjecture at worst. There is no basis for unjust discrimination, ever.

Ulfric's doing things under false pretenses. It's working though, because people are sheep.

The reason for seceding from Skyrim would be to protest the Thalmor and try to impede them, and it would completely fail at that. I'll repeat this: it would fail at its primary goal. There is no purpose to it and Ulfric knows it. Ulfric wants to be in charge and he'll say or do anything to achieve that. He already killed the High King for reasons that he pulled out of his ass. Claimed to use the Thu'um to 'tear Torygg apart' but really just stabbed the guy when he was down.

It's cool that you're saying things with nothing to back them up, but no matter what Ulfric's true motivation is, what he's doing is the right thing.

If he's not doing something for the reasons he says he's doing it, then he's really not doing the right thing. He's being dishonest, and you just admitted it.