Would you consider Smart AI to be alive?

Girl of Mystery · April 07, 2015, 01:28:21 PM

Would you consider AI like Serina, Cortana and Roland to be alive?
Obviously not in the sense of they eat and drink and stuff.

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Isara · April 07, 2015, 01:37:08 PM

What does it mean to be alive? That's the actual question behind this one, and it has been an ongoing debate in the field of philosophy with artificial intelligence for a long time. Descartes has some interesting views on the subject, and Gilbert Ryle's description of the mind-body dualism makes it even more interesting.

tl;dr (or IQ below potato): there's no finite answer, it's up in the air and it's a philosophical question.

Verbatim · April 07, 2015, 01:49:45 PM

Nope.

Super Irish · April 07, 2015, 02:10:53 PM

No. We've tried making them appear human, and we have used a lot of machines and AI to replace or even do better than a human can at a certain task, but they aren't alive. Think of that recent study into (worms?), where all the nerves were researched and programmed into a worm-resembling machine body. It replicated the worm very well, but that's because we programmed it to copy an actual living creature.

EDIT: Found the worm thing

Until we advance technology and AI's begin totally independent thought, behavior, to the point that they can evolve themselves and "survive" independently, than I doubt I will consider them alive. With that said, I don't dismiss AI; I find what they can do currently amazing as it is.

Turkey · April 07, 2015, 02:14:03 PM

AI in Halo? No. A sufficiently complex AI could be considered a person, though.

Girl of Mystery · April 07, 2015, 02:34:51 PM

Quote from: SuperIrish on April 07, 2015, 02:10:53 PM

No. We've tried making them appear human, and we have used a lot of machines and AI to replace or even do better than a human can at a certain task, but they aren't alive. Think of that recent study into (worms?), where all the nerves were researched and programmed into a worm-resembling machine body. It replicated the worm very well, but that's because we programmed it to copy an actual living creature.

EDIT: Found the worm thing

Until we advance technology and AI's begin totally independent thought, behavior, to the point that they can evolve themselves and "survive" independently, than I doubt I will consider them alive. With that said, I don't dismiss AI; I find what they can do currently amazing as it is.

I'm not talking about what we currently have

Sigma617 · April 07, 2015, 03:18:17 PM

Chappie is a person.

Mat Cauthon · April 07, 2015, 05:24:12 PM

Johnny Five is alive.

Turkey · April 07, 2015, 05:50:36 PM

Kind of off-topic, but if you're interested in reading about ethics in artificial intelligence, check out Douglas Hofstadter's "I Am a Strange Loop".

Sprungli · April 07, 2015, 08:09:39 PM

By alive do you mean truly sentient or just generally capable of not being dead?

Tackel · April 07, 2015, 09:22:45 PM

Are Roland and Serina a Smart A.I.? They seem a bit dimwitted to be one.

However for a Cortana Smart model, probably. It thinks like a human, it's self aware and has "free will", unlike normal A.I.'s. Though, that's just if they were an everyday thing. If it's a military tool, they would be treated like such. Which then brings to the question, if Smart A.I.'s are not considered "people" due to them being military hardware, then why are Spartans (Spartan II's especially) considered "human"?

Then again, I guess they aren't (according to Halsey at least), so I dunno. If I had a Smart A.I. though I would treat it like a person.

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Assassin 11D7 · April 07, 2015, 09:44:25 PM

Can't remember exactly what the qualifiers were, but yeah they would seem to count. Count as people, though, that requires them to be more sophisticated, Cortana would qualify for sure, but I have doubts as to Serena or Roland if they would fully, although at the very least they would be expert imitators.

Sandtrap · April 07, 2015, 10:50:24 PM

Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on April 07, 2015, 09:44:25 PM

Can't remember exactly what the qualifiers were, but yeah they would seem to count. Count as people, though, that requires them to be more sophisticated, Cortana would qualify for sure, but I have doubts as to Serena or Roland if they would fully, although at the very least they would be expert imitators.

How about Mac/Loki and Sif?

Korra · April 07, 2015, 11:04:02 PM

Yes. They can think, feel and whatnot, they are in some way a form of life.

Batch · April 07, 2015, 11:27:50 PM

Well, BB could feel emotion, when connected to Spartan Naomis armour he could describe tastes, smells. ..hell being an AI trusted by ONIs leader and being his creator (in a sense) he still broke rules for what he saw as good.

As well as being able to describe pain when split from his copies. Id say they are very much alive.

*sips tea*

Deleted · April 08, 2015, 01:04:22 AM

0/10 no sexy parts

Enjoy your nonexistant life as a compas bitch

Jono · April 08, 2015, 01:24:55 AM

Depends on the type of AI

Girl of Mystery · April 08, 2015, 03:02:22 AM

Quote from: Tackelberry on April 07, 2015, 09:22:45 PM

Are Roland and Serina a Smart A.I.? They seem a bit dimwitted to be one.

They're both Smart AI.

BaconShelf · April 08, 2015, 07:56:23 AM

Quote from: Tackelberry on April 07, 2015, 09:22:45 PM

Are Roland and Serina a Smart A.I.? They seem a bit dimwitted to be one.

However for a Cortana Smart model, probably. It thinks like a human, it's self aware and has "free will", unlike normal A.I.'s. Though, that's just if they were an everyday thing. If it's a military tool, they would be treated like such. Which then brings to the question, if Smart A.I.'s are not considered "people" due to them being military hardware, then why are Spartans (Spartan II's especially) considered "human"?

Then again, I guess they aren't (according to Halsey at least), so I dunno. If I had a Smart A.I. though I would treat it like a person.

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They don't use Dumb AI on ships- a dumb AI is something like the Superintendant which does one job and one job alone and doesn't really have a personality.

Even Deja counted as a dumb AI.

BaconShelf · April 08, 2015, 07:57:06 AM

do you consider an operating system to be alive? No, an AI is just a fancy computer program really.

Korra · April 08, 2015, 07:58:33 AM

I think Capt. Picard can answer this question.

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Girl of Mystery · April 08, 2015, 08:02:19 AM

Quote from: BaconShelf on April 08, 2015, 07:57:06 AM

do you consider an operating system to be alive? No, an AI is just a fancy computer program really.

An OS and a self aware AI capable of human things such as emotion and feelings are pretty different.

BaconShelf · April 08, 2015, 08:04:01 AM

Quote from: Lemön | fat and insecure on April 08, 2015, 08:02:19 AM

Quote from: BaconShelf on April 08, 2015, 07:57:06 AM
do you consider an operating system to be alive? No, an AI is just a fancy computer program really.
An OS and a self aware AI capable of human things such as emotion and feelings are pretty different.

I know I'm massively oversimplifying it, but thats just how I view AI; equipment to be used.

Girl of Mystery · April 08, 2015, 08:06:16 AM

Quote from: BaconShelf on April 08, 2015, 08:04:01 AM

Quote from: Lemön | fat and insecure on April 08, 2015, 08:02:19 AM
Quote from: BaconShelf on April 08, 2015, 07:57:06 AM
do you consider an operating system to be alive? No, an AI is just a fancy computer program really.
An OS and a self aware AI capable of human things such as emotion and feelings are pretty different.

I know I'm massively oversimplifying it, but thats just how I view AI; equipment to be used.

So would you argue that that's what Spartans are? ( more specifically S-IIs & S-IIIS)

BaconShelf · April 08, 2015, 08:10:21 AM

Quote from: Lemön | fat and insecure on April 08, 2015, 08:06:16 AM

Quote from: BaconShelf on April 08, 2015, 08:04:01 AM
Quote from: Lemön | fat and insecure on April 08, 2015, 08:02:19 AM
Quote from: BaconShelf on April 08, 2015, 07:57:06 AM
do you consider an operating system to be alive? No, an AI is just a fancy computer program really.
An OS and a self aware AI capable of human things such as emotion and feelings are pretty different.

I know I'm massively oversimplifying it, but thats just how I view AI; equipment to be used.
So would you argue that that's what Spartans are? ( more specifically S-IIs & S-IIIS)

In what the UNSC/ ONI makes them for, yes. Basically emotionless meat robots that kill stuff.

With what John is starting to do in H5G, no.

Girl of Mystery · April 08, 2015, 08:11:33 AM

Quote from: BaconShelf on April 08, 2015, 08:10:21 AM

Quote from: Lemön | fat and insecure on April 08, 2015, 08:06:16 AM
Quote from: BaconShelf on April 08, 2015, 08:04:01 AM
Quote from: Lemön | fat and insecure on April 08, 2015, 08:02:19 AM
Quote from: BaconShelf on April 08, 2015, 07:57:06 AM
do you consider an operating system to be alive? No, an AI is just a fancy computer program really.
An OS and a self aware AI capable of human things such as emotion and feelings are pretty different.

I know I'm massively oversimplifying it, but thats just how I view AI; equipment to be used.
So would you argue that that's what Spartans are? ( more specifically S-IIs & S-IIIS)

In what the UNSC/ ONI makes them for, yes. Basically emotionless meat robots that kill stuff.

With what John is starting to do in H5G, no.

A'ight. Fair enough.

Mr Speedrun · April 08, 2015, 09:02:56 AM

Quote from: Isara on April 07, 2015, 01:37:08 PM

What does it mean to be alive? That's the actual question behind this one, and it has been an ongoing debate in the field of philosophy with artificial intelligence for a long time. Descartes has some interesting views on the subject, and Gilbert Ryle's description of the mind-body dualism makes it even more interesting.

tl;dr (or IQ below potato): there's no finite answer, it's up in the air and it's a philosophical question.

I think it revolves around emotions. If something can feel an emotion, it is alive. So I guess they would be, even maybe some "Dumb AI's" because of wessley in The Flood.