I get around 45-50mb/s on Xbox and PC when it comes to downloading games and updates for those.

However when it comes to downloading things on my PS4, it takes WAY too long to download anything and my mb/s is around 5.

Why does PSN blow ass?

It's not that bad.

Shouldn't have to pay for it, though.

Not as bad as the god damn thermonuclear scramjet of a cooling fan on the thing.

I've had slow downloads on both. But on average, my X1 usually downloads faster. And Steam I never have a problem with.

I've hated PSN for years. I can't fathom how some people can unironically believe that PSN is somehow equal to or greater than XBL, because it's very clearly not.

Quote from: Kupo & the Two G-strings on December 13, 2016, 07:51:42 PM

I've hated PSN for years. I can't fathom how some people can unironically believe that PSN is somehow equal to or greater than XBL, because it's very clearly not.

PSN was free on PS3, making it better by default.

It was slow and the security sucked. PSN was always held together by duct tape.

I mean, I could buy a cheap car with tape for a window and two flat tires, but that doesn't make it a better deal.

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Quote from: Kupo & the Two G-strings on December 13, 2016, 07:51:42 PM

I've hated PSN for years. I can't fathom how some people can unironically believe that PSN is somehow equal to or greater than XBL, because it's very clearly not.

PSN was free on PS3, making it better by default.

It was slow and the security sucked. PSN was always held together by duct tape.

I mean, I could buy a cheap car with tape for a window and two flat tires, but that doesn't make it a better deal.

Security is a non-issue if you're smart and never have money in your account and always pay for purchases upfront.

It wasn't that slow, and even if it's super slow for you, it's still free.

There's still the issue of passwords being stolen by outside actors. But I always paid upfront so that was never an issue for me (it's one of the perks of free online services).

If the service is slow to the point of being unenjoyable (it mostly was in my experience, anyway), I'd rather just not play it. I've rarely had an issue with XBL in that regard--unless the game in question had a small matchmaking pool to begin with. I don't think PSN had group voice chat for years, either.

I'm not a total cheapskate. To me, XBL vs PSN was a case of getting what you pay for--in the latter's case, nothing. Maybe other people had better experiences than me.

Quote from: Kupo & the Two G-strings on December 13, 2016, 08:05:39 PM

Maybe other people had better experiences than me.

Well, I certainly did. I genuinely don't understand this "slow downloads" meme. Maybe I'm just more patient, and I can't tell when something is going slower than it should? Either way, it's a non-issue for me, like I said.

I don't think wanting free online services makes you a cheapskate--why should such a basic service be paid for at all? It's like water. And as far as I'm concerned, being free pretty much trumps any XBL advantage you could name.

For one thing, when XBL came around, online gaming wasn't really a basic service like it is today. PC games had them, but it was mostly unexplored territory for consoles. They offered benefits like downloadable DLC content that self-installs, voice chat with a headset included, and a friends list. 15 years ago, these were cutting-edge features. By comparison, PSN did the bare minimum required for each gen.

(FWIW, I'm probably partial to Xbox Live at least because I didn't get a PS console until much later.)

For one thing, when XBL came around, online gaming wasn't really a basic service like it is today. PC games had them, but it was mostly unexplored territory for consoles. They offered benefits like downloadable DLC content that self-installs, voice chat with a headset included, and a friends list. 15 years ago, these were cutting-edge features. By comparison, PSN did the bare minimum required for each gen.

(FWIW, I'm probably partial to Xbox Live at least because I didn't get a PS console until much later.)

Well, other than faster download speeds and free service, what more out of PSN would you want right now?

People don't buy physical copies what

I'm just on a different fucking planet I guess.

I'm just on a different fucking planet I guess.

I'm with you
I never had any problems with PSN minus the big crashes

People don't buy physical copies what

I only buy digital during the PSN flash sales.

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People don't buy physical copies what

i rarely buy physical copies on the PC or Boner because i have no need to due to their online marketplaces actually being pretty good

on the playstation physical copies are the only way to go because the online service is abysmal

I can't stand not having a game in my hands
It's like I don't even have it

It's a new thing for console users, but the PC platform has been (almost) digital only for so long now that I don't even think twice about not having a physical copy anymore. I actually prefer it to be digital now just because it's much more  convenient to not have vidya taking up room on the shelf and having to dig out the disk every time i want to play something different.

Even then, I just think of people saying this, and them probably not spending anything on music since it's a digital market now. Games are easily going to be like that within a decades time.

And yeah, not digging around is great, and I still feel like I own it. I never subscribed to the "I don't FEEL like I own it unless I hold it" feeling people seem to still hold. I only argue that point if it's a special edition, or a collectors thing or something with a cool case.

What're you going to do when you want to admire your gaming legacy

You going to dig out your harddrive and show off those sick digital receipts to your grandchildren or are you going to pull out that fat stack of cases you stood in line at midnight for