Why does everyone on here hate Halo Reach?

Spartan147Eli · November 12, 2014, 09:43:37 AM

I loved Reach. It was probably my favorite halo game. I honestly don't understand why the vast majority of people on here hate it so much. Almost everyone I talk to who isn't on this site loved reach, but everyone on here puts it as the worst halo game ever. Why?

PSU · November 12, 2014, 09:44:20 AM

Reach sucked, Halo 4 sucked worse.

However, I believe that zero bloom, No Sprint Reach is better than halo 3.

Mordo · November 12, 2014, 09:47:30 AM

Any beta player will tell you that they completely downgraded the original ideas into the final product we have today. The beta was fun, whereas the actual game initially wasn't, at least for me. I guess that's where a lot of my distaste originated from back in 2010, so I did admittedly ignore the positive aspects because of that.

Looking back, it's not a bad game, just a bit disappointing. It's not the worst Bungie's ever done, but it's definitely not the pinnacle of their achievements.

Ásgeirr · November 12, 2014, 09:49:35 AM

I loved it.

Azumarill · November 12, 2014, 09:53:19 AM

Vanilla Reach was horrible. ZBNS was pretty good, but the DMR kind of messed everything up. With full bloom, it was too random- DMR battles weren't decided by skill, but RNG. 80% bloom was a decent fix, but bloom was still a fundamentally random mechanic. With zero bloom, the DMR was just too powerful- it outclassed every other weapon in the sandbox that wasn't a power weapon at all ranges. Created a very stale weapon metagame. Reach also had a pretty poor selection of maps (forge world notwithstanding.) Reach grenades had a really broken tracking mechanic and huge explosion radii. Introducing armor abilities (especially jet pack and armor lock) and a loadout system into what was still fundamental an arena shooter really messed with the previously balanced nature of Halo's multiplayer- everyone wasn't on equal footing anymore. The maps were poorly designed around mobility-based AA's. Campaign and forge were ok.

Overall, reach is very unbalanced compared to H1-3.

Jet Wave · November 12, 2014, 09:55:07 AM

Everyone hates everything and there is nothing we can do about it.

Tackel · November 12, 2014, 09:58:32 AM

>Assuming I hate Reach

1v1 me on Rust.

Ásgeirr · November 12, 2014, 09:58:50 AM

Quote from: Azumarill on November 12, 2014, 09:53:19 AM

but the DMR kind of messed everything up. With full bloom, it was too random- DMR battles weren't decided by skill,

I dont get it. Its random yeah, but you can still control it by not spamming.

gats · November 12, 2014, 10:04:21 AM

For the sake of hating it.

I thoroughly enjoyed it. Both story and MP

Azumarill · November 12, 2014, 10:07:48 AM

Quote from: Ossku on November 12, 2014, 09:58:50 AM

Quote from: Azumarill on November 12, 2014, 09:53:19 AM
but the DMR kind of messed everything up. With full bloom, it was too random- DMR battles weren't decided by skill,

I dont get it. Its random yeah, but you can still control it by not spamming.

That's really dumb in a few ways. 1) slows down gameplay 2) you're probably gonna lose the DMR battle to the kid who's spamming 3) that is not skillful in any way. The random nature of the DMR serves no purpose other than forgiving bad players and punishing good players, lowering the skill gap.

cxfhvxgkcf-56:7 · November 12, 2014, 10:12:17 AM

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Mordo · November 12, 2014, 10:58:01 AM

Quote from: SoporificSlash on November 12, 2014, 10:12:17 AM

Its one of my favorites. At least Noble Six was a better developed character than the Rookie and the multiplayer was fantastic

>characterization
>Noble Six

Pick one.

Casper · November 12, 2014, 11:08:18 AM

Reach wasn't bad. I liked it.
But the Beta was definitely much better in terms of multiplayer.

aMetroid · November 12, 2014, 11:46:43 AM

Reach Swat is really fun

Girl of Mystery · November 12, 2014, 11:50:38 AM

Quote from: SoporificSlash on November 12, 2014, 10:12:17 AM

Its one of my favorites. At least Noble Six was a better developed character than the Rookie and the multiplayer was fantastic

What Halo Reach did you play? Noble 6 was as much of a hollow brick as the Rookie was

Girl of Mystery · November 12, 2014, 11:52:11 AM

Terrible story.
Terrible characters.
Bloom.
AAs
Sword block.
Ruined Firefight.

Hahahaha very funny Zonda · November 12, 2014, 11:56:17 AM

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Azumarill · November 12, 2014, 12:36:56 PM

Quote from: BritishLemön on November 12, 2014, 11:52:11 AM

Terrible story.
Terrible characters.
Bloom.
AAs
Sword block.
Ruined Firefight.

i found out last night that you can parry swords in h2 as well. awkward mechanix op

Anonymous (User Deleted) · November 12, 2014, 12:37:44 PM

Bloom and Armor Abilities made it feel a bit off. Firefight could have used more DLC

Azumarill · November 12, 2014, 12:39:44 PM

Quote from: Kupo on November 12, 2014, 12:37:44 PM

Bloom and Armor Abilities made it feel a bit off. Firefight could have used more DLC

firefight could have used better netcode, too. it was almost as bad as ODST's firefight

Anonymous (User Deleted) · November 12, 2014, 12:42:54 PM

Quote from: Azumarill on November 12, 2014, 12:39:44 PM

Quote from: Kupo on November 12, 2014, 12:37:44 PM
Bloom and Armor Abilities made it feel a bit off. Firefight could have used more DLC
firefight could have used better netcode, too. it was almost as bad as ODST's firefight

Ughhh yeah, and I just felt like ODST had better Firefight maps. I especially missed Lost Platoon...

BaconShelf · November 12, 2014, 02:14:32 PM

Quote from: SoporificSlash on November 12, 2014, 10:12:17 AM

Its one of my favorites. At least Noble Six was a better developed character than the Rookie and the multiplayer was fantastic

You mean the Rookie that had an entire comic with him in it?

Jono · November 12, 2014, 02:21:05 PM

- Bloom
- Armor Lock
- Shit maps
- Boring and slow gameplay
- Health Packs in multiplayer
- Vehicles made of Paper
- Banshee is OP
- Only 2 maps for Invasion
- Only 1 Forge Map
- No ranking system
- No space battles for multiplayer
- DMR is too powerful against everything
- Boring campaign
- The Cage and Asylum exist
- Sword Block
- Only 1 person can watch films in theater
- Most of the weapons are useless

The things Reach did right was the Armor Customization, Forge mechanics, and the UI.

🂿 · November 12, 2014, 02:41:49 PM

Because it sucked massive cow cancer infested balls.

Juuzou · November 12, 2014, 02:44:24 PM

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Girl of Mystery · November 12, 2014, 03:41:36 PM

Quote from: Jono on November 12, 2014, 02:21:05 PM

- The Cage and Asylum exist

Don't forget about Sword Base.

MattyFez · November 12, 2014, 03:48:47 PM

Quote from: BritishLemön on November 12, 2014, 11:52:11 AM

Terrible story.
Terrible characters.
Bloom.
AAs
Sword block.
Ruined Firefight.

>sword block
>bad

I thoroughly enjoyed this feature

Girl of Mystery · November 12, 2014, 03:53:37 PM

Quote from: MattyFez on November 12, 2014, 03:48:47 PM

Quote from: BritishLemön on November 12, 2014, 11:52:11 AM
Terrible story.
Terrible characters.
Bloom.
AAs
Sword block.
Ruined Firefight.
>sword block
>bad

I thoroughly enjoyed this feature

>Sword block
>Good
Terrible feature that is bullshit

Jono · November 12, 2014, 03:57:03 PM

Quote from: BritishLemön on November 12, 2014, 03:53:37 PM

Quote from: MattyFez on November 12, 2014, 03:48:47 PM
Quote from: BritishLemön on November 12, 2014, 11:52:11 AM
Terrible story.
Terrible characters.
Bloom.
AAs
Sword block.
Ruined Firefight.
>sword block
>bad

I thoroughly enjoyed this feature
>Sword block
>Good
Terrible feature that is bullshit

Exactly.

There's no way anyone should be able to block the sheer force of the Energy Sword.

Girl of Mystery · November 12, 2014, 03:59:35 PM

Quote from: Jono on November 12, 2014, 03:57:03 PM

Quote from: BritishLemön on November 12, 2014, 03:53:37 PM
Quote from: MattyFez on November 12, 2014, 03:48:47 PM
Quote from: BritishLemön on November 12, 2014, 11:52:11 AM
Terrible story.
Terrible characters.
Bloom.
AAs
Sword block.
Ruined Firefight.
>sword block
>bad

I thoroughly enjoyed this feature
>Sword block
>Good
Terrible feature that is bullshit
Exactly.

There's no way anyone should be able to block the sheer force of the Energy Sword.

It was a free get out of jail card too.
"You were dumb enough to go head to head against a sword user? Well just melee it and you'll be fine".

Sword clash wasn't as bad.