Why does everybody lose their shit over KOTOR?

challengerX · December 28, 2015, 02:31:33 PM

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Verbatim · December 28, 2015, 02:33:51 PM

idk

what sucks is that i'm gonna end up playing it and it's gonna end up being stupid

Elai · December 28, 2015, 02:36:55 PM

I tried playing and it's boring as fuck.

Girl of Mystery · December 28, 2015, 03:08:37 PM

Because it's Star Wars.

big dog · December 28, 2015, 03:21:29 PM

The best games ever made.

challengerX · December 28, 2015, 03:30:28 PM

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big dog · December 28, 2015, 03:32:39 PM

Quote from: challengerX on December 28, 2015, 03:30:28 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on December 28, 2015, 02:33:51 PM
idk

what sucks is that i'm gonna end up playing it and it's gonna end up being stupid
Nah it's fun.

But like. It's not the best game ever like some people make it out to be.

I mean it's down to preference. Personally KOTOR is one of those games that I can play after this many years and still enjoy as much as any modern game. It's not everyone's cup of tea though.

big sponge · December 28, 2015, 03:52:57 PM

The original KOTOR was good for it's time, I don't know if I'd say it was the best thing ever though.

Big Boss · December 28, 2015, 04:00:03 PM

I played it for the first time last year, I didn't find it very fun...

I think I built my character really badly

Tackel · December 28, 2015, 04:04:24 PM

Pretty shit game tbh. Combat is clunky and dialogue options are terrible. Using the excuse "It came out in 2003!" is total bullshit because Jedi Knight II came out before that, which has good combat. Plus its endings are worse than Mass Effect 3.

Then you have KOTOR 2, but that launched unfinished and took years before you could install that restoration mod for a complete game. And it took until this year to have the mod officially supported by Disney and Lucasarts. Plus the combat was still clunky.

And last your have TOR, which that game speaks for itself in mediocrity.

challengerX · December 28, 2015, 04:13:52 PM

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big dog · December 28, 2015, 04:15:27 PM

Quote from: Tackel on December 28, 2015, 04:04:24 PM

Jedi Outcast II came out before that

Completely different types of game.

R o c k e t · December 28, 2015, 04:48:21 PM

The combat is what i dislike, I hate turn based combat. But clearly I got over it since I enjoy it and the sequel.

December 28, 2015, 05:16:18 PM

It's a good RPG, and an okay game. Combat is terrible, yeah, but the characters and writing are excellent.

Elai · December 28, 2015, 05:22:30 PM

Quote from: Lemnator on December 28, 2015, 03:08:37 PM

Because it's Star Wars.

There are shit Star Wars games.

Girl of Mystery · December 28, 2015, 05:44:08 PM

Quote from: Falco on December 28, 2015, 05:22:30 PM

Quote from: Lemnator on December 28, 2015, 03:08:37 PM
Because it's Star Wars.

There are shit Star Wars games.

Okay?

It's an okay game at best, but because it's Star Wars people hold it in higher esteem.

Tackel · December 28, 2015, 05:49:02 PM

Quote from: challengerX on December 28, 2015, 04:13:52 PM

Quote from: Tackel on December 28, 2015, 04:04:24 PM
Pretty shit game tbh. Combat is clunky and dialogue options are terrible. Using the excuse "It came out in 2003!" is total bullshit because Jedi Outcast II came out before that, which has good combat. Plus its endings are worse than Mass Effect 3.

Then you have KOTOR 2, but that launched unfinished and took years before you could install that restoration mod for a complete game. And it took until this year to have the mod officially supported by Disney and Lucasarts. Plus the combat was still clunky.

And last your have TOR, which that game speaks for itself in mediocrity.
Which is the best Jedi Outcast game in your opinion?

Depends on what you want from the game.

Star Wars Dark Forces was a DOOM clone.

Star Wars Jedi Knight: Dark Forces II was "meh". Still pretty much a DOOM clone, but trying out lightsaber combat.

Star Wars Jedi Knight II: Jedi Outcast was pretty decent. Great combat for it's time and and "meh" story. Good characters.

Star Wars Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy was a lot better. Improved on combat and had a little better story. Though, you had a "self insert" character and Rosh. Who the fuck likes Rosh?

Jedi Outcast for story, which isn't much, and Jedi Academy for combat.

big dog · December 28, 2015, 06:28:54 PM

Quote from: Lemnator on December 28, 2015, 05:44:08 PM

Quote from: Falco on December 28, 2015, 05:22:30 PM
Quote from: Lemnator on December 28, 2015, 03:08:37 PM
Because it's Star Wars.

There are shit Star Wars games.
Okay?

It's an okay game at best, but because it's Star Wars people hold it in higher esteem.

That's not why I like it at all LOL.

Girl of Mystery · December 28, 2015, 06:57:07 PM

Quote from: Traitorekd™ on December 28, 2015, 06:28:54 PM

Quote from: Lemnator on December 28, 2015, 05:44:08 PM
Quote from: Falco on December 28, 2015, 05:22:30 PM
Quote from: Lemnator on December 28, 2015, 03:08:37 PM
Because it's Star Wars.

There are shit Star Wars games.
Okay?

It's an okay game at best, but because it's Star Wars people hold it in higher esteem.
That's not why I like it at all LOL.

I never said that's why you like it

Elai · December 28, 2015, 07:17:18 PM

Quote from: Lemnator on December 28, 2015, 05:44:08 PM

It's an okay game at best, but because it's Star Wars people hold it in higher esteem.

I doubt it.

big dog · December 28, 2015, 07:35:09 PM

Quote from: Lemnator on December 28, 2015, 06:57:07 PM

Quote from: Traitorekd™ on December 28, 2015, 06:28:54 PM
Quote from: Lemnator on December 28, 2015, 05:44:08 PM
Quote from: Falco on December 28, 2015, 05:22:30 PM
Quote from: Lemnator on December 28, 2015, 03:08:37 PM
Because it's Star Wars.

There are shit Star Wars games.
Okay?

It's an okay game at best, but because it's Star Wars people hold it in higher esteem.
That's not why I like it at all LOL.
I never said that's why you like it

You are no son of mine.

Solonoid · December 28, 2015, 07:36:31 PM

Quote from: challengerX on December 28, 2015, 04:13:52 PM

Quote from: Tackel on December 28, 2015, 04:04:24 PM
Pretty shit game tbh. Combat is clunky and dialogue options are terrible. Using the excuse "It came out in 2003!" is total bullshit because Jedi Outcast II came out before that, which has good combat. Plus its endings are worse than Mass Effect 3.

Then you have KOTOR 2, but that launched unfinished and took years before you could install that restoration mod for a complete game. And it took until this year to have the mod officially supported by Disney and Lucasarts. Plus the combat was still clunky.

And last your have TOR, which that game speaks for itself in mediocrity.
Which is the best Jedi Outcast game in your opinion?

JK II: Jedi Outcast was objectively the best, but I'm partial to the original Dark Forces.

R o c k e t · December 28, 2015, 07:57:13 PM

Quote from: Tackel on December 28, 2015, 05:49:02 PM

Quote from: challengerX on December 28, 2015, 04:13:52 PM
Quote from: Tackel on December 28, 2015, 04:04:24 PM
Pretty shit game tbh. Combat is clunky and dialogue options are terrible. Using the excuse "It came out in 2003!" is total bullshit because Jedi Outcast II came out before that, which has good combat. Plus its endings are worse than Mass Effect 3.

Then you have KOTOR 2, but that launched unfinished and took years before you could install that restoration mod for a complete game. And it took until this year to have the mod officially supported by Disney and Lucasarts. Plus the combat was still clunky.

And last your have TOR, which that game speaks for itself in mediocrity.
Which is the best Jedi Outcast game in your opinion?

Depends on what you want from the game.

Star Wars Dark Forces was a DOOM clone.

Star Wars Jedi Knight: Dark Forces II was "meh". Still pretty much a DOOM clone, but trying out lightsaber combat.

Star Wars Jedi Knight II: Jedi Outcast was pretty decent. Great combat for it's time and and "meh" story. Good characters.

Star Wars Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy was a lot better. Improved on combat and had a little better story. Though, you had a "self insert" character and Rosh. Who the fuck likes Rosh?

Jedi Outcast for story, which isn't much, and Jedi Academy for combat.

Love Outcast and Academy.

Jono · December 28, 2015, 10:10:42 PM

KOTOR was a game I never got a chance to play. I would have loved that game back in the day if I had it.

Tackel · December 28, 2015, 10:52:23 PM

Quote from: Jono on December 28, 2015, 10:10:42 PM

KOTOR was a game I never got a chance to play. I would have loved that game back in the day if I had it.

It's on steam and any modern computer can easily run it. It's even a game for iPad

Frost · December 29, 2015, 11:43:12 AM

Quote from: Tackel on December 28, 2015, 10:52:23 PM

Quote from: Jono on December 28, 2015, 10:10:42 PM
KOTOR was a game I never got a chance to play. I would have loved that game back in the day if I had it.

It's on steam and any modern computer can easily run it. It's even a game for iPad

Shit's broken as fuck for me.

kotor I can play for about five minutes before the game decides to not let me move in any way other than clicking on an object.

kotor 2 actually works pretty well now though, my only problem with it before was that the resolution options made it unplayable.

big dog · December 29, 2015, 12:04:44 PM

Quote from: Frost on December 29, 2015, 11:43:12 AM

Quote from: Tackel on December 28, 2015, 10:52:23 PM
Quote from: Jono on December 28, 2015, 10:10:42 PM
KOTOR was a game I never got a chance to play. I would have loved that game back in the day if I had it.

It's on steam and any modern computer can easily run it. It's even a game for iPad
Shit's broken as fuck for me.

kotor I can play for about five minutes before the game decides to not let me move in any way other than clicking on an object.

kotor 2 actually works pretty well now though, my only problem with it before was that the resolution options made it unplayable.

KOTOR on PC is awfully buggy, especially on Dantooine where the sky turns inside out.

I'm surprised how well KOTOR 2 runs on PC though. I could never finish it when I first got it on Xbox back in 2007 because the game would freeze up on Onderon. Bought the PC version with the RCM a couple years back and it runs pretty well, and has pretty much become my favourite game.

Tackel · December 29, 2015, 12:51:09 PM

Bioware's games that have turned based combat seem to be pretty shit, at least in my opinion. KoToR, TOR, Dragon Age.

Hopefully this new Star Wars game Bioware is cooking up for EA has dialogue and decision influence like Mass Effect, Lightsaber and force like combat like Jedi Academy/Force Unleashed (mainly force grip from Force Unleashed), and blaster play like Mass Effect or that unreleased 1313 game. You got yourself a pretty good game there then.

The Lord Ruler · December 29, 2015, 01:05:02 PM

combat isn't the best in kotor. in kotor 2 it's a lot more fun

the writing and characters in both are pretty amazing.

big dog · December 29, 2015, 01:32:32 PM

KOTOR 2's combat is much better, especially when you get to the higher levels and just tear through the Sith Lords on Malachor V.