And I'd love to hear your explanation for the existence of console exclusives
Quote from: Luciana on October 08, 2015, 05:43:55 PMAs I said, your personal preference shouldn't influence the factual things we're talking about.I'm not attacking what you like. You can like PS1 looking polygons with Lara Croft pointy tits, but that won't change the fact that modern games on higher performing systems will look better.Do you understand what I'm asking you? Why is higher poly objectively "better"? Why does "more" automatically mean "better"?
As I said, your personal preference shouldn't influence the factual things we're talking about.I'm not attacking what you like. You can like PS1 looking polygons with Lara Croft pointy tits, but that won't change the fact that modern games on higher performing systems will look better.
Quote from: Fuddy-duddy on October 08, 2015, 05:48:15 PMQuote from: Cindo on October 08, 2015, 05:42:36 PMYou seem like the type of guy to argue that the systematic oppression of women in islamic cultures is fine because it's "muh culture"That's not meant in a literal sense, by the way, because I know you don't. I'm just saying that going "WELL MAYBE I THINK THAT A GAME IS BETTER IF IT LOOKS LIKE SHIT" is a stupid argumentCultural relativism isn't a great comparison, but whatever.If you're filming a movie that's designed to authenticate the experience of living in the '70s, the director has the opportunity to make an artistic decision: Film in 30fps, because they couldn't film any better than that in the '70s. Artistically, that's the better decision. 30fps is BETTER than 60fps in that context. Has that ever been done before? I don't know, but there's another example.Have you seen Raging Bull? Great movie. Martin Scorsese made it in 1980. However, he chose to film it in black and white.Why? I'm not sure. But it was his artistic decision, and some might argue that the movie would be worse if it was in color. Yes--Black and white is better than color, in that context.That's the point I'm making.Most cinema runs in 25fps
Quote from: Cindo on October 08, 2015, 05:42:36 PMYou seem like the type of guy to argue that the systematic oppression of women in islamic cultures is fine because it's "muh culture"That's not meant in a literal sense, by the way, because I know you don't. I'm just saying that going "WELL MAYBE I THINK THAT A GAME IS BETTER IF IT LOOKS LIKE SHIT" is a stupid argumentCultural relativism isn't a great comparison, but whatever.If you're filming a movie that's designed to authenticate the experience of living in the '70s, the director has the opportunity to make an artistic decision: Film in 30fps, because they couldn't film any better than that in the '70s. Artistically, that's the better decision. 30fps is BETTER than 60fps in that context. Has that ever been done before? I don't know, but there's another example.Have you seen Raging Bull? Great movie. Martin Scorsese made it in 1980. However, he chose to film it in black and white.Why? I'm not sure. But it was his artistic decision, and some might argue that the movie would be worse if it was in color. Yes--Black and white is better than color, in that context.That's the point I'm making.
You seem like the type of guy to argue that the systematic oppression of women in islamic cultures is fine because it's "muh culture"That's not meant in a literal sense, by the way, because I know you don't. I'm just saying that going "WELL MAYBE I THINK THAT A GAME IS BETTER IF IT LOOKS LIKE SHIT" is a stupid argument
Quote from: Cindo on October 08, 2015, 05:43:59 PMAnd I'd love to hear your explanation for the existence of console exclusivesConsole exclusives shouldn't exist. I hate the fact that there are multiple consoles on the market--I think there should just be one gaming console, period, and then none of us would be having this debate.
mommy and daddy never forked out for an 800 gaming rig for me. I want to play games so never could commit for saving up money for it myself. I could commit 380 euros to get consoles so yeah...
We're not talking about movies (even though they run at 24 fps for the majority of them)
Quote from: Luciana on October 08, 2015, 05:50:07 PMWe're not talking about movies (even though they run at 24 fps for the majority of them)If film directors can make artistic decisions like that, game developers can, too.
Because it's easier on the eyes, it just feels physically better to experience.
I mad a movie once
Quote from: Fuddy-duddy on October 08, 2015, 05:51:47 PMQuote from: Cindo on October 08, 2015, 05:43:59 PMAnd I'd love to hear your explanation for the existence of console exclusivesConsole exclusives shouldn't exist. I hate the fact that there are multiple consoles on the market--I think there should just be one gaming console, period, and then none of us would be having this debate.You're right.The PC would be better without all the consoles inflating the market :^)
Quote from: T6 on October 08, 2015, 05:56:58 PMI mad a movie onceno one cares about gay porn
Quote from: Incan on October 08, 2015, 05:52:45 PMBecause it's easier on the eyes, it just feels physically better to experience.That's not objective.
Quote from: Thunder on October 08, 2015, 05:57:18 PMQuote from: T6 on October 08, 2015, 05:56:58 PMI mad a movie onceno one cares about gay pornYou're one rude kid, kid
But in the end, why not both?
Quote from: T6 on October 08, 2015, 05:58:02 PMQuote from: Thunder on October 08, 2015, 05:57:18 PMQuote from: T6 on October 08, 2015, 05:56:58 PMI mad a movie onceno one cares about gay pornYou're one rude kid, kidjust call meR U D E B O YUDEBOY
Quote from: Fuddy-duddy on October 08, 2015, 05:54:24 PMQuote from: Luciana on October 08, 2015, 05:50:07 PMWe're not talking about movies (even though they run at 24 fps for the majority of them)If film directors can make artistic decisions like that, game developers can, too.I don't care about 30 vs 60 fps honestly. My only gripe is that if you're gonna commit to one, it better be consistent, because dips in it are some of the most annoying things ever that suck you out of a game.
Quote from: Cindo on October 08, 2015, 05:53:34 PMQuote from: Fuddy-duddy on October 08, 2015, 05:51:47 PMQuote from: Cindo on October 08, 2015, 05:43:59 PMAnd I'd love to hear your explanation for the existence of console exclusivesConsole exclusives shouldn't exist. I hate the fact that there are multiple consoles on the market--I think there should just be one gaming console, period, and then none of us would be having this debate.You're right.The PC would be better without all the consoles inflating the market :^)Wouldn't even be a PC, ideally. Would be its own game console.
Quote from: Fuddy-duddy on October 08, 2015, 05:54:24 PMQuote from: Luciana on October 08, 2015, 05:50:07 PMWe're not talking about movies (even though they run at 24 fps for the majority of them)If film directors can make artistic decisions like that, game developers can, too.It doesn't work like that.Two completely different forms of media.Just because it's fine and works for movies doesn't mean it's fine and works for games.
Quote from: Fuddy-duddy on October 08, 2015, 05:56:01 PMQuote from: Incan on October 08, 2015, 05:52:45 PMBecause it's easier on the eyes, it just feels physically better to experience.That's not objective.It really isWould you say that a game playing in 30fps is easier on the eyes than one running in 15?Of course you would, because ~24fps is the threshold for what humans perceive as consistent motion
Quote from: Citrus Snake on October 08, 2015, 05:56:28 PMQuote from: Fuddy-duddy on October 08, 2015, 05:54:24 PMQuote from: Luciana on October 08, 2015, 05:50:07 PMWe're not talking about movies (even though they run at 24 fps for the majority of them)If film directors can make artistic decisions like that, game developers can, too.It doesn't work like that.Two completely different forms of media.Just because it's fine and works for movies doesn't mean it's fine and works for games.I disagree. Strongly.
I only argue when people try to justify consoles at being better at something that a PC obviously outdoes them at
Quote from: Luciana on October 08, 2015, 05:55:07 PMQuote from: Fuddy-duddy on October 08, 2015, 05:54:24 PMQuote from: Luciana on October 08, 2015, 05:50:07 PMWe're not talking about movies (even though they run at 24 fps for the majority of them)If film directors can make artistic decisions like that, game developers can, too.I don't care about 30 vs 60 fps honestly. My only gripe is that if you're gonna commit to one, it better be consistent, because dips in it are some of the most annoying things ever that suck you out of a game.I agree completely. The point that I'm making is that 60fps can't be objectively better than 30fps--I've painted a number of scenarios where 30fps would be preferable. You call it "pseudo-philosophy"--I call it making my point. If I'm not allowed to make my point, I don't know what else to do.
Why do most of you guys game on consoles as opposed to PC?
