Quote from: Citrus Snake on October 08, 2015, 06:41:27 PM

The hoops you jump through to try and not be wrong are ridiculous sometimes. This is one of those times.

How is that a hoop? Explain to me why I'm not allowed to like things you dislike.

You're making sense in the logic you're presenting with your own view on it, but not in the way everything actually works.

Okay, good.

Well, then, how does it actually work, then?

I mean, I'm speaking from a metaphysical perspective, and I didn't think there was anything more "actual" than metaphysics.

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Okay, smart of you to add "in the industry". That changes a lot.

I'm not concerned about the reality of the industry, personally. The fact that a lot of people seem to think that PC gaming is objectively better because "muh bigger numbers" doesn't actually make it so.

Because sometimes I'd rather chat with friends, play couch co-op games, or just simply play vidya in a comfortable position. The last point is why I use my PSP for emulation instead of my laptop; it's just more conformable and convenient.

Not to say that the PC version of a game isn't usually the best version, that's true. PC gaming just lacks the convenience of console/handheld gaming, and I think that in most cases it's worth the trade-off.

In terms of PC being better, framerate is something I see more as a bonus than an actual fact on a game being better. I personally think it's better for better game prices (Steam, G2A, Humble bundle), backwards compatability to the most basic of games, mods (don't hate me), updates coming to PC quicker than consoles in some cases, updates being FREE on PC in some cases(such as Left 4 Dead DLC, skins for minecraft actually being priced on consoles, etc), better lighting/graphics in general (I know it's not a huge deal for you, but in terms of games that strive to be pretty like Battlefield, lighting and particles matter to me), and a bunch of other things I'm not thinking of.

Okay, I'm just gonna address these one by one, then. I don't expect you to respond to everything at this point, because I think we finally see where we're coming from, but yeah.

Game prices is a good point--but only if you actually think Steam has games, which I don't.
I'm not sure what you mean by backwards compatibility.
I do consider mods to be a negative thing.
Updates coming faster is a decent point, I guess.
Updates being free is definitely better, yeah, but paid updates are very rare.
Better graphics is subjective. More vivid graphics? Sure, but that's not always what people look for.

There we go. So yeah, none of this is quite enough to convince me that PC gaming is better. You listed some mildly good things, but none of them outweigh the number of positives that console gaming has for me.

Ultimately, what PC gaming needs is games. That's the #1 thing that I care about, and PC doesn't have that.

We all enjoy gaming anyway, and unless things like Microsoft pulling the stupid as fuck DRM attempt they tried a few years back, I don't see why people should hate what the other prefers. In the end we all love games anyway.

Amen to that.

Quote from: Prime Uta on October 08, 2015, 07:08:32 PM

Not to say that the PC version of a game isn't usually the best version, that's true.

It's not, though.

Speaking in terms of visual fidelity and innate customization*

And I'm also talking about multiplatform games that were also released for PC, not emulation. There are many cases of poorly ported PC games as well, like MGS2, but the vast majority released since the early 2000s function at a level equal to or superior to the console counterpoint.

Quote from: Prime Uta on October 08, 2015, 07:18:22 PM

But most PC games aren't DS4 compatible by default, they require work-arounds.

Sadly, but I got an easy system I just run and it works.

Steam's getting better about it, what with Steampad support becoming morw available (and it being programmable for the games thag don't), but work-around vs innate support is a dictionary example of inconvenience.

Quote from: Prime Uta on October 08, 2015, 07:19:14 PM

Speaking in terms of visual fidelity and innate customization*

And I'm also talking about multiplatform games that were also released for PC, not emulation. There are many cases of poorly ported PC games as well, like MGS2, but the vast majority released since the early 2000s function at a level equal to or superior to the console counterpoint.

I know what you meant--I still don't agree, for the reasons I gave throughout this thread. If it's "better" because "60" is a higher number than "30", then that's just a preference. It's not actually superior.

First definition of superior in the OED, EAT MY ASS cUNT.

me

I would primarily play on PC if I had a way better computer than what I have now.

But I've always been a fan of consoles and PC.

Quote from: Prime Uta on October 08, 2015, 07:44:02 PM

First definition of superior in the OED, EAT MY ASS cUNT.

"Higher in rank, status, or quality"?...

I mean, you used the word "fidelity" earlier. That worked better, I think. PC games tend to be of a higher fidelity than console games--but that does not make them superior.

i don't mean to be pedantic, but

If you want to go by critical acclaim, the PC version usually shapes out the best. And performing better in every way is very much relating to quality.

I do think it's a bit pedantic, especially since it's pretty obvious we both understand what I meant by that.

If you want to go by critical acclaim, the PC version usually shapes out the best. And performing better in every way is very much relating to quality.

"It's better because it performs better" is circular logic, Aria, you know that.

Critical acclaim is honestly the only thing you have to go buy. The general consensus is that PC gaming is better, but that doesn't make it so. That's an appeal to majority.

Quote from: Prime Uta on October 08, 2015, 07:19:14 PM

Speaking in terms of visual fidelity and innate customization*

And I'm also talking about multiplatform games that were also released for PC, not emulation. There are many cases of poorly ported PC games as well, like MGS2, but the vast majority released since the early 2000s function at a level equal to or superior to the console counterpoint.

I know what you meant--I still don't agree, for the reasons I gave throughout this thread. If it's "better" because "60" is a higher number than "30", then that's just a preference. That's your opinion. It's not actually superior.

I don't think that's the point being conveyed here.

here, take a look at this:


15fps is what I would consider "barely playable" (though many would not share my view, having always running games on a console or capable PC). The game could be great in every other aspect, but the constant stuttering bothers me, particularly in games that are emulating reality (which is practically all of them. Life isn't stuttery through my eyes, and probably not anyone elses either).

There's nothing wrong with 30fps, it's going to be relatively smooth with no indication to me (or anyone else, if persistence of vision is believed to be around 24fps) that it's just a rapidly moving slideshow of what's going on. Where 60fps excels at, and is shown very well on this gif, is showing movement. Fast movements at 30fps in games can be seen as stuttering, thus failing the illusion that whatever is going on is fluid and lifelike, whereas 60fps does this better, and 120fps does it better still with even faster movements (though at this stage, there aren't many things moving so fast in a game that it needs it to keep the game playable, so it isn't used as standard in the industry)

It isn't that a higher number is better because the number is higher, it's that it shows movement better, which does make a higher fps superior (although as mentioned, anything at 120 and above is negligible other than boasting to other PC nerds how great your PC is...still pointless).

Sure, Tetris could run just fine with 15fps no problem. But most games today have moved on from that point, and require a bare minimum of 30, with vast improvements at 60 which is now being made the new standard for gaming (just see PS4/X1 compared to their predecessors).