Why didn't people like Arkham Knight?

Girl of Mystery · December 12, 2015, 09:08:02 PM

Just finished it. Thought it was pretty good.
I saw people complain about the Batmobile being "used too much", but it didn't seem that way at all.

The Joker singing was easily the best part though.

Pippen · December 12, 2015, 09:12:09 PM

Uuuh no, the batmotank was used WAY too much.

"You have to fight the drones mo-!" NO! FUCK YOU!

And the game sometimes tries to paranoid you into driving instead, with the damn jumpscares. I liked the idea of the batmobile, and it is a good car. However god damn what happened to actually gliding around like the batman?

The Lord Ruler · December 12, 2015, 09:13:06 PM

I loved it.

But an actual fight with deathstroke and arkham knight would've been better.

Elai · December 12, 2015, 09:17:48 PM

Fanfiction-tier story. Red Hood was so expected that no one expected it. Additionally, Rocksteady lied and said that Joker was dead and that Arkham Knight was an original character. But of course, you can't have anything Batman without shoving some "I'M JOKER, WE'RE THE SAME YOU AND I, BATMAN. TOGETHER WE CAN RULE THIS CITY, SPIDER-MAN!" bullshit.

The voice acting was shoddy ("I am vengeance, I am the night. I am BATMAN!" was terrible), and so was the dialogue.

The game hardly innovates on Arkham City. No where near the level of City from Asylum.

Batmobile takes up 40% of the gameplay (not just main story), boss fights are recycled 3 times. Boss fights in general are nowhere to be seen.

The plot is so ridiculously contrived that it makes me want to throw up. Arkham Knight, Jason Todd, THE PREVIOUS ROBIN, claims to know Batman so well that he can tell what he's going to do before he does it. Yet, he spends -- literally - billions of dollars on UNMANNED drones, just so that Batman can utilise his fully-lethal Batmobile (don't even get me started on how ridiculous that is -- Batman has a phobia of guns, so I find it a little hard to believe he's willing to use 50mm Vulcan cannons). It makes no fucking sense. And maybe, y'know, I could forgive it, if the actual Batmobile gameplay was anything decent. But it isn't. It's bullshit that requires very little skills, especially with the upgrades later on. It's overused, generic, contrived bullshit.

Girl of Mystery · December 12, 2015, 09:19:45 PM

Quote from: Merry Pipmas on December 12, 2015, 09:12:09 PM

Uuuh no, the batmotank was used WAY too much.

I must've played a different game then, because it didn't feel that way at all.

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"You have to fight the drones mo-!" NO! FUCK YOU!

Most of which is optional.

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And the game sometimes tries to paranoid you into driving instead

Literally what?

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god damn what happened to actually gliding around like the batman?

Nothing happened to it? You can still do it.
90% of travelling I did was by grappling and gliding. It's just as fast, if not faster than the Batmobile.

TB · December 12, 2015, 09:21:03 PM

Joker singing was awesome.
"I drove you 'round the bend and I'm laughing,
Ha!
I killed all your friends and I'm still laughing,
Ha!
Your parents are dead and I can't stop laughing,
What else can I do?
Now that I'm part of you!"

Girl of Mystery · December 12, 2015, 09:21:52 PM

Quote from: The Lord Claus on December 12, 2015, 09:13:06 PM

I loved it.

But an actual fight with deathstroke and arkham knight would've been better.

That was one thing I didn't like. All we got were tank fights instead.

Doctor Doom · December 12, 2015, 09:33:39 PM

Y'know what would've been awesome? If all the main villains of the story teamed up against Batman like the trailers said they would. Too bad games never live up to their ads these days, eh?

Big Boss · December 12, 2015, 09:40:10 PM

The Deathstroke fight had a cool buildup then turned out to be another tank fight.

Wooo.

Pippen · December 12, 2015, 09:40:35 PM

Quote from: Leymon's term on December 12, 2015, 09:19:45 PM

Quote from: Merry Pipmas on December 12, 2015, 09:12:09 PM
Uuuh no, the batmotank was used WAY too much.
I must've played a different game then, because it didn't feel that way at all.
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"You have to fight the drones mo-!" NO! FUCK YOU!
Most of which is optional.

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And the game sometimes tries to paranoid you into driving instead
Literally what?
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god damn what happened to actually gliding around like the batman?
Nothing happened to it? You can still do it.
90% of travelling I did was by grappling and gliding. It's just as fast, if not faster than the Batmobile.

At a random moment while gliding and climbing through the city, you can get jumpscared by Joker or the Gargoyle.
After those two I never want to touch a fucking ledge again.

And are you serious? Most of that is optional? I can count 5+ times I had to fight my way with the batmotank with no other choice. And that was only in the main story.

Doctor Doom · December 12, 2015, 09:42:52 PM

Quote from: Merry Pipmas on December 12, 2015, 09:40:35 PM

the Gargoyle.

Man-Bat? Or are you thinking of something else?

A Cheese Potato · December 12, 2015, 09:43:59 PM

if I wanted to play world of tanks I'd play world of tanks

Pippen · December 12, 2015, 09:48:37 PM

Quote from: Caped Baldy on December 12, 2015, 09:42:52 PM

Quote from: Merry Pipmas on December 12, 2015, 09:40:35 PM
the Gargoyle.

Man-Bat? Or are you thinking of something else?

Yeah, that motherfucker

Girl of Mystery · December 12, 2015, 09:50:44 PM

Quote from: Merry Pipmas on December 12, 2015, 09:40:35 PM

At a random moment while gliding and climbing through the city, you can get jumpscared by Joker or the Gargoyle.
After those two I never want to touch a fucking ledge again.

What gargoyle?
And I'd hardly call them jumpscares.

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And are you serious? Most of that is optional? I can count 5+ times I had to fight my way with the batmotank with no other choice. And that was only in the main story.

Besides the main story instances, you can go without ever touching the Batmobile.

BaconShelf · December 13, 2015, 03:56:19 AM

My favourite part was when it got removed from steam and never got put back on

R o c k e t · December 13, 2015, 04:00:04 AM

I just watched the cutscenes near the end and liked it

Girl of Mystery · December 13, 2015, 11:18:06 AM

The Joker stuff at the end was pretty good imo

Girl of Mystery · December 13, 2015, 11:18:57 AM

Quote from: space boy on December 13, 2015, 03:56:19 AM

My favourite part was when it got removed from steam and never got put back on

http://store.steampowered.com/app/208650/

Gatortag · December 13, 2015, 05:08:24 PM

I liked it. I think it's the best Batman game ever made. Easily surpasses Asylum and City. Except for story. But other than that, it's the best of the 3.

T6 · December 13, 2015, 05:12:48 PM

the fights, mainly

Ushan · December 13, 2015, 08:19:03 PM

I disliked being forced to use the batmobile, it was just too much.

Oh, and I didn't like that most of the villains were consigned to repetive and short side quests.

maverick · December 13, 2015, 09:05:31 PM

The story was shit, the side missions were stupid, the Batmobile was forced on us, the tank battles were tedious, and the puzzles were pointless filler. Seriously. Batman has a disease that is turning him into the Joker, and has already turned 4 other people into the Joker (even though they were going to be dead in 24 hours when we first learned about it in Arkham City, and thousands had been infected according to Barbara Gordon back then). And there was no cure. Because Mr Freeze couldn't make any more. But let's forget all that. The entire game is Batman being the world's greatest detective and tracking down hostages and rescuing them. Fun times had by all. But then when we get to the climax of the story, after he learns that Jason Todd was tortured in Arkham Asylum by the Joker and joined forces with Scarecrow, who was thought to be killed in Arkham Asylum, Batman obviously goes and rescues Robin and Gordon at Arkham Asylum, right? No. He surrenders and allows himself to be captured and unmasked in front of a live broadcast. But then again, he's going to die of the Joker disease anyway, because he just found out there was no cure. Except it turns out the cure the entire time was getting shot up with Scarecrow's toxin and hallucinating himself punching the Joker in the face a bunch of times. But then, he's still captured, and the Scarecrow will undoubtedly kill him now anyway, right? No, because the main villain of the story, who had been itching to kill Batman for not rescuing him after a year of getting tortured by Joker, forgives him after he apologized during the stupidest boss fight ever. And then Jim Gordon knocks out Scarecrow in one punch and Batman kills himself. That's some top flight story-telling there, Rocksteady.

🂿 · December 13, 2015, 09:18:22 PM

Quote from: Maverick on December 13, 2015, 09:05:31 PM

The story was shit, the side missions were stupid, the Batmobile was forced on us, the tank battles were tedious, and the puzzles were pointless filler. Seriously. Batman has a disease that is turning him into the Joker, and has already turned 4 other people into the Joker (even though they were going to be dead in 24 hours when we first learned about it in Arkham City, and thousands had been infected according to Barbara Gordon back then). And there was no cure. Because Mr Freeze couldn't make any more. But let's forget all that. The entire game is Batman being the world's greatest detective and tracking down hostages and rescuing them. Fun times had by all. But then when we get to the climax of the story, after he learns that Jason Todd was tortured in Arkham Asylum by the Joker and joined forces with Scarecrow, who was thought to be killed in Arkham Asylum, Batman obviously goes and rescues Robin and Gordon at Arkham Asylum, right? No. He surrenders and allows himself to be captured and unmasked in front of a live broadcast. But then again, he's going to die of the Joker disease anyway, because he just found out there was no cure. Except it turns out the cure the entire time was getting shot up with Scarecrow's toxin and hallucinating himself punching the Joker in the face a bunch of times. But then, he's still captured, and the Scarecrow will undoubtedly kill him now anyway, right? No, because the main villain of the story, who had been itching to kill Batman for not rescuing him after a year of getting tortured by Joker, forgives him after he apologized during the stupidest boss fight ever. And then Jim Gordon knocks out Scarecrow in one punch and Batman kills himself. That's some top flight story-telling there, Rocksteady.

This and the PC port was fucked.

The Lord Ruler · December 13, 2015, 11:24:03 PM

this "they forced the batmobile onto us" meme is bad

maverick · December 13, 2015, 11:28:55 PM

this "calling everything I disagree with a meme" meme is bad

The Lord Ruler · December 13, 2015, 11:39:08 PM

OMG THEY ADDED A FEATURE INTO A GAME AND YOU HAD TO USE IT A COUPLE TIMES HOLY SHIT

who would've fucking guessed

TB · December 13, 2015, 11:46:59 PM

Quote from: The Lord Claus on December 13, 2015, 11:39:08 PM

OMG THEY ADDED A FEATURE INTO A GAME AND YOU HAD TO USE IT A COUPLE TIMES HOLY SHIT

who would've fucking guessed

The thing is that they used it too much and it broke up the gameplay in an unneeded and choppy way.
Plus it wasn't even that fun.

Doctor Doom · December 14, 2015, 12:58:43 AM

Quote from: The Lord Claus on December 13, 2015, 11:39:08 PM

OMG THEY ADDED A FEATURE INTO A GAME AND YOU HAD TO USE IT A COUPLE TIMES HOLY SHIT

who would've fucking guessed

Sure, fans wanted to drive the Batmobile since Asylum, but nobody wanted an entire game revolving around it.

Elai · December 14, 2015, 02:40:32 AM

I never had any reason to want the Batmobile. I knew it was going to be stupid from day one.

Elai · December 14, 2015, 02:44:07 AM

Quote from: Maverick on December 13, 2015, 09:05:31 PM

The story was shit, the side missions were stupid, the Batmobile was forced on us, the tank battles were tedious, and the puzzles were pointless filler. Seriously. Batman has a disease that is turning him into the Joker, and has already turned 4 other people into the Joker (even though they were going to be dead in 24 hours when we first learned about it in Arkham City, and thousands had been infected according to Barbara Gordon back then). And there was no cure. Because Mr Freeze couldn't make any more. But let's forget all that. The entire game is Batman being the world's greatest detective and tracking down hostages and rescuing them. Fun times had by all. But then when we get to the climax of the story, after he learns that Jason Todd was tortured in Arkham Asylum by the Joker and joined forces with Scarecrow, who was thought to be killed in Arkham Asylum, Batman obviously goes and rescues Robin and Gordon at Arkham Asylum, right? No. He surrenders and allows himself to be captured and unmasked in front of a live broadcast. But then again, he's going to die of the Joker disease anyway, because he just found out there was no cure. Except it turns out the cure the entire time was getting shot up with Scarecrow's toxin and hallucinating himself punching the Joker in the face a bunch of times. But then, he's still captured, and the Scarecrow will undoubtedly kill him now anyway, right? No, because the main villain of the story, who had been itching to kill Batman for not rescuing him after a year of getting tortured by Joker, forgives him after he apologized during the stupidest boss fight ever. And then Jim Gordon knocks out Scarecrow in one punch and Batman kills himself. That's some top flight story-telling there, Rocksteady.

To be fair, I feel like you could dumb-down any plot from any game like this.

The plot was nowhere near acceptable, though.