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The Stormcloaks
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Who are the real heroes of Skyrim?

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We all know that the Aldmeri Dominion are the true villains of The Elder Scrolls V, but which joinable faction is better for the land, and in the moral right?

I say Stormcloaks. The Empire failed to protect its people, and the entire Great War was retroactively pointless when they just ceded to the Thalmor's original demands anyway. If the Empire would've just continued to fight the Dominion with the help of Hammerfell, they probably would've won. Instead, they were too cowardly to fight for their independence. They don't have the right to be an empire. The Stormcloaks, at least, are willing go fight and die for what they believe in.

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>mfw ulfric was brainwashed by elves
>mfw ulfric doing what elves want

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Unless the Empire is going to repeal the ban on Talos and re-engage the dominion within about two decades, the Stormcloaks are the better option.

What really matters is that Talos is protected. Talos is reinforcing the Wheel and helping to hold the Mundus together right now.

Talos is more important than the survival of some empire that only follows in the footsteps of the one that was metaphysically relevant.


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Unless the Empire is going to repeal the ban on Talos and re-engage the dominion within about two decades, the Stormcloaks are the better option.

What really matters is that Talos is protected. Talos is reinforcing the Wheel and helping to hold the Mundus together right now.

Talos is more important than the survival of some empire that only follows in the footsteps of the one that was metaphysically relevant.
The Empire could have re-engaged the Dominion if it was not for Ulfric. The Dominion wanted there to be a civil war in order to weaken the Empire, and Skyrim


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>mfw ulfric was brainwashed by elves
>mfw ulfric doing what elves want

FOR THE EMPIRE!
He's not acting as a direct agent for the Thalmor, why do people think this?

They only consider him an asset because he gave them information once, and the continuation of the civil war is a drain on both Skyrim and the Empire's resources, which is good for the Thalmor whichever side succeeds, as long as the war is long and bloody.


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Unless the Empire is going to repeal the ban on Talos and re-engage the dominion within about two decades, the Stormcloaks are the better option.

What really matters is that Talos is protected. Talos is reinforcing the Wheel and helping to hold the Mundus together right now.

Talos is more important than the survival of some empire that only follows in the footsteps of the one that was metaphysically relevant.
The Empire could have re-engaged the Dominion if it was not for Ulfric. The Dominion wanted there to be a civil war in order to weaken the Empire, and Skyrim
>missing the entire point of my post

The Thalmor pose a greater threat metaphysically than they do militarily. The wheel and humanity must be protected at all costs. Talos must be protected at all costs, or the Thalmor will destroy the towers and bring the whole Mundus crashing down.


 
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And hammerfell's all like, "Nigga please, we can hold off the Aldmeri by ourselves."



On topic, both are pretty shitty. But Ulfric is a puppet to the Aldmeri. His entire job is to destabilize things in skyrim. The empire is just biding it's time and sharpening its daggers until it can go for round two, and the Aldmeri knows this. If they lose Skyrim they'll be shit out of luck.


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And hammerfell's all like, "Nigga please, we can hold off the Aldmeri by ourselves."



On topic, both are pretty shitty. But Ulfric is a puppet to the Aldmeri. His entire job is to destabilize things in skyrim. The empire is just biding it's time and sharpening its daggers until it can go for round two, and the Aldmeri knows this. If they lose Skyrim they'll be shit out of luck.
They'll REALLY be out of luck when even after winning they've been reduced to worshiping only mer-approved Anuidic deities who hate mankind anyway.


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But Ulfric is a puppet to the Aldmeri. His entire job is to destabilize things in skyrim.
Ulfric does not work for the Dominion. Why do so many people think this? He may be indirectly supporting them, but he by no means actually works for them. I'd rather have a weak Skyrim at least attempt to fight the elves than a unified Empire roll over and let the Thalmor essentially annex Cyrodiil.
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But Ulfric is a puppet to the Aldmeri. His entire job is to destabilize things in skyrim.
Ulfric does not work for the Dominion. Why do so many people think this? He may be indirectly supporting them, but he by no means actually works for them. I'd rather have a weak Skyrim at least attempt to fight the elves than a unified Empire roll over and let the Thalmor essentially annex Cyrodiil.

Because there's a fucking book with Ulfric's name in it that basically says in bold. LOL ULFRIC'S DONE SOME GOOD WORK FOR US IN THE PAST. HE'S DOING A SWELL JOB OF FUCKING THINGS UP AND PLAYING RIGHT INTO OUR PLANS.


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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
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But Ulfric is a puppet to the Aldmeri. His entire job is to destabilize things in skyrim.
Ulfric does not work for the Dominion. Why do so many people think this? He may be indirectly supporting them, but he by no means actually works for them. I'd rather have a weak Skyrim at least attempt to fight the elves than a unified Empire roll over and let the Thalmor essentially annex Cyrodiil.

Because there's a fucking book with Ulfric's name in it that basically says in bold. LOL ULFRIC'S DONE SOME GOOD WORK FOR US IN THE PAST. HE'S DOING A SWELL JOB OF FUCKING THINGS UP AND PLAYING RIGHT INTO OUR PLANS.
Yeah, playing into their plans. Like I said, he's indirectly supporting them. There is no legitimate proof that he's actually working for the elves. That would be incredibly inconsistent and out of character.


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I sided with the stormcloaks in the event that ulfric would be smart and start a hammerfell-skyrim alliance/empire in event of the high on meth elves attacking
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>plebs actually supporting the windclucks
>fascists supporting the Thalmor's bitch
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The Empire

King Torygg would've most certainly entertained the idea of Skyrim independence, but Ulfric jumped the gun and killed the High King because he wanted to be the king of Skyrim.  Not to mention that he's a racist.


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The Empire

King Torygg would've most certainly entertained the idea of Skyrim independence, but Ulfric jumped the gun and killed the High King because he wanted to be the king of Skyrim.  Not to mention that he's a racist.
Torygg never actually expressed any action to secede, though. And yeah, Ulfric's not perfect. But this is beyond him. Stormcloaks aren't fighting for Ulfric, they're fighting for Skyrim.


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Torygg never actually expressed any action to secede, though. And yeah, Ulfric's not perfect. But this is beyond him. Stormcloaks aren't fighting for Ulfric, they're fighting for Skyrim.
But Torygg looked up to Ulfric.  He thought that he was an honorable man.


 
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