What Defines a Game from an Interactive Movie?

AngryBrute · February 15, 2015, 11:30:53 AM

I hear people toss this around all the time. "Oh thats more of a movie than a game.." Or what ever. What defines a Game for you? What defines an Interactive Movie?

Would you use that as a derpgstory term? "Interactive movie"

More Than Mortal · February 15, 2015, 11:32:37 AM

>serious

AngryBrute · February 15, 2015, 11:32:57 AM

Wait. Why is this in Serious? Need a move!

The Waifu Master · February 15, 2015, 11:38:57 AM

1. Gameplay to movie/cutscene ratio
Example: MGS4
2. worldspace to freedom of movement ratio AKA Corridor syndrome
Example: Most modern/near future FPS titles. Homefront, battlefield 4 & 3 etc.

...I can't think of any more off the top of my head.

Tyger · February 15, 2015, 11:57:51 AM

Telltale games are interactive movies because there are no gameplay mechanics

Mattie G Indahouse · February 15, 2015, 12:01:42 PM

Quote from: AngryBrute on February 15, 2015, 11:30:53 AM

What defines an Interactive Movie?

Time Gal, Dragon's Lair and Plumbers Don't Wear Ties.
All three of them have no gameplay to them and what you do is choose what path the character is going to do .Each path you do there's a scene for it.

big sponge · February 15, 2015, 12:11:41 PM

From what I've seen and heard The Order 1886 is a 5 hour one.

AngryBrute · February 15, 2015, 12:17:26 PM

Quote from: LC on February 15, 2015, 12:11:41 PM

From what I've seen and heard The Order 1886 is a 5 hour one.

I hope its not. If it is, expect anger.

gats · February 15, 2015, 12:29:27 PM

fucks sake lol.
telltale games are not games

Turkey · February 15, 2015, 12:40:52 PM

Quote from: Gatsby on February 15, 2015, 12:29:27 PM

I don't know but if a "game" is point and click then it isn't really a game

Runescape?

big sponge · February 15, 2015, 12:41:45 PM

Quote from: Gatsby on February 15, 2015, 12:29:27 PM

I don't know but if a "game" is point and click then it isn't really a game

Diablo?

gats · February 15, 2015, 12:42:37 PM

Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on February 15, 2015, 12:40:52 PM

Quote from: Gatsby on February 15, 2015, 12:29:27 PM
I don't know but if a "game" is point and click then it isn't really a game

Runescape?

Quote from: LC on February 15, 2015, 12:41:45 PM

Quote from: Gatsby on February 15, 2015, 12:29:27 PM
I don't know but if a "game" is point and click then it isn't really a game

Diablo?

Shit lol, I should have worded it better, but I meant point and click in the sense of telltales style of games.

BaconShelf · February 15, 2015, 12:50:29 PM

Was it made by Telltale or David Cage?

[Y][N]

Turkey · February 15, 2015, 12:59:38 PM

Quote from: Gatsby on February 15, 2015, 12:42:37 PM

Quote from: Gatsby on February 15, 2015, 12:29:27 PM
I don't know but if a "game" is point and click then it isn't really a game

Shit lol, I should have worded it better, but I meant point and click in the sense of telltales style of games.

I was going to say that even stuff like Mist wouldn't qualify. But yeah, I tend to agree that Telltale games aren't really video games in the typical sense. It's not a bad thing, it's just a different experience. Kind of like how the old Goosebumps books aren't really novels.

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Elai · February 15, 2015, 02:14:57 PM

I would define it as how much control you have over the character during the game. Something like Ryse: Son of Rome would be an interactive movie.

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AngryBrute · February 15, 2015, 02:21:21 PM

Quote from: Noëlle on February 15, 2015, 02:18:59 PM

I would say that TellTale Games are more movies than games. Stuff like Beyond Two Souls and The Last of Us are games.

I agree about TLOU but not Beyond. They really are movies with how their interaction and mechanics work.

Doctor Doom · February 15, 2015, 03:28:21 PM

Telltale games are interactive movies. They give freedom in what happens, but there's very little actual 'gameplay'. They can't really be 'lost' in the traditional sense, so they're not really games at all.

...Which I see has been mentioned repeatedly by now. I'd also think the Metal Gear Solid games are more movies than games, seeing as how the cutscenes make up over 2/3 of time spent 'playing'.

big sponge · February 15, 2015, 03:29:20 PM

Quote from: Lord Keksworth on February 15, 2015, 03:28:21 PM

Telltale games are interactive movies. They give freedom in what happens, but there's very little actual 'gameplay'. They can't really be 'lost' in the traditional sense, so they're not really games at all.

They're also not charging you $60 though.

The Waifu Master · February 15, 2015, 03:41:55 PM

Quote from: LC on February 15, 2015, 03:29:20 PM

Quote from: Lord Keksworth on February 15, 2015, 03:28:21 PM
Telltale games are interactive movies. They give freedom in what happens, but there's very little actual 'gameplay'. They can't really be 'lost' in the traditional sense, so they're not really games at all.

They're also not charging you $60 though.

Nobody's saying they're not worth getting.

big sponge · February 15, 2015, 03:59:13 PM

Quote from: True Waifu God on February 15, 2015, 03:41:55 PM

Quote from: LC on February 15, 2015, 03:29:20 PM
Quote from: Lord Keksworth on February 15, 2015, 03:28:21 PM
Telltale games are interactive movies. They give freedom in what happens, but there's very little actual 'gameplay'. They can't really be 'lost' in the traditional sense, so they're not really games at all.

They're also not charging you $60 though.
Nobody's saying they're not worth getting.

I'm just making the distinction between something like a telltale game and something like say, The Order 1886. One knows it's an interactive movie and doesn't try to hide it. Thus charging significantly less money. The other is an interactive movie and is trying to hide it. Thus you're being charged $60 and the devs are trying to damage control.

Mandalore the Unstoppable · February 15, 2015, 04:04:04 PM

Quote from: LC on February 15, 2015, 12:11:41 PM

From what I've seen and heard The Order 1886 is a 5 hour one.

Where have you seen enough evidence to validate that the game is 5 hours long?

🍁 Aria 🔮 · February 15, 2015, 04:10:54 PM

Quote from: The Satanic Mandalore on February 15, 2015, 04:04:04 PM

Quote from: LC on February 15, 2015, 12:11:41 PM
From what I've seen and heard The Order 1886 is a 5 hour one.

Where have you seen enough evidence to validate that the game is 5 hours long?

Someone got a copy and uploaded footage of his playthrough to YouTube. To be fair, it is missing segments (such as the Zeppelin), o "5 hours long" is a bit of an exaggeration. From what we've seen of the 5 hours though, 3.5 were cinematics. Gameplay also looks like a poor-man's Gears of War with not-so-quick time events.

big sponge · February 15, 2015, 04:25:36 PM

Quote from: The Satanic Mandalore on February 15, 2015, 04:04:04 PM

Quote from: LC on February 15, 2015, 12:11:41 PM
From what I've seen and heard The Order 1886 is a 5 hour one.

Where have you seen enough evidence to validate that the game is 5 hours long?

The playthrough of the game on youtube.

Forgewolf · February 15, 2015, 05:44:59 PM

Interactive Movies are games that mostly consist of cinematics and the individual has little to no choice over Story.

A salt rifle · February 15, 2015, 06:02:38 PM

1. A failure state; Game Over/Restart from Last Checkpoint/Implied Failure State (e.g. no story progression)

2. (Complex) Player Input is necessary to avoid failure state (ties in with beforementioned point); if a game quite literally plays itself, it is not able to fulfill requirement 1, as it is virtually impossible to achieve a failure state (example: FF13 early intro combined with auto attack management). That's also why I often see people complaining about Arkham styled combat systems and their godlike counter button.

3. (Implied) Success State; can be highscores, execution of objectives or story progression.

Thus I conclude a game such as Telltale's point&click games as games, while I consider heavy rain an interactive movie.
Why? Heavy rain's death scenes reward the player with a different progression in the story; may it be an undesirable reward doesn't matter. In the end you just alter the results, nothing more.

Ushan · February 15, 2015, 06:53:11 PM

I'd say it depends a lot on how many choices you are able to make within the game. More than choices that impact the plot, but choices you're able to make between cutscenes/scripted moments.

Naru · February 15, 2015, 08:34:03 PM

Ladder Simulator 2025 was a pretty good interactive Baby Sitting game

Verbatim · February 15, 2015, 08:43:25 PM

emphasis on a dramatic story over gameplay

so like... mass effect