what are your thoughts on QTE in vidya gaymes?

Naru · October 22, 2015, 06:45:47 PM

i think theyre neat to have, but i wish they were more of a challenge than the ones most games have. like heavy rain did it right with needing to shake the controller and hold buttons while doing something. but games, usually fps, would just have you press a button repeatedly until you win. if developers made their qte events more challenging and worth the thumbstick wiggling, then id enjoy the game more and be immersed a bit.

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Pippen · October 22, 2015, 06:47:43 PM

It's press X to pay respects you twat

Ásgeirr · October 22, 2015, 06:50:38 PM

Im not a fan but i dont mind

Kiwicake · October 22, 2015, 06:52:10 PM

Quote from: Pip on October 22, 2015, 06:47:43 PM

It's press X to pay respects you twat

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Luciana · October 22, 2015, 07:03:46 PM

Quote from: Fruitcake on October 22, 2015, 06:52:10 PM

Quote from: Pip on October 22, 2015, 06:47:43 PM
It's press X to pay respects you twat
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True Turquoise · October 22, 2015, 07:07:21 PM

ITS A BAD GAME IF QTES ARE IN IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111 11111111

I like them, when they're done right

Mattie G Indahouse · October 22, 2015, 07:14:23 PM

If they are done right they are fun like the ones in Vanquish. Instead of them being push this button to dodge this one mine like in MW2. They are used to do a series of attacks like the one where you're jumping on missiles and you bring one down on the robot that launched them at you.

Rinev · October 22, 2015, 07:19:19 PM

I'm not a fan of them. They always seem out of place and make the scene feel like it's dragging on longer than it should. I prefer watching a non-interactive cutscene oven an interactive one.

Verbatim · October 22, 2015, 07:26:08 PM

Cancer. Pure, unmitigated cancer. Like, when it comes to bad game design, quick-time events are probably in my top five least favorite gaming conventions of all time. They're that bad.

Deleted · October 22, 2015, 07:27:17 PM

less would be nice

Epsira · October 22, 2015, 07:45:10 PM

When used in lieu of gameplay it strikes me as lazy design.
The only thing I imagine it being good for is intense, cinematic sequences... But even then you can use gameplay if you have enough ingenuity as a designer.

Can someone forward an example of a good QTE?

Naru · October 22, 2015, 08:09:49 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on October 22, 2015, 07:26:08 PM

Cancer. Pure, unmitigated cancer. Like, when it comes to bad game design, quick-time events are probably in my top five least favorite gaming conventions of all time. They're that bad.

what if they were done right? like in heavy rain?

Verbatim · October 22, 2015, 08:12:44 PM

Quote from: Naru on October 22, 2015, 08:09:49 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on October 22, 2015, 07:26:08 PM
Cancer. Pure, unmitigated cancer. Like, when it comes to bad game design, quick-time events are probably in my top five least favorite gaming conventions of all time. They're that bad.
what if they were done right? like in heavy rain?

I'll have to look up how it was implemented.

True Turquoise · October 22, 2015, 08:14:53 PM

Quote from: Naru on October 22, 2015, 08:09:49 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on October 22, 2015, 07:26:08 PM
Cancer. Pure, unmitigated cancer. Like, when it comes to bad game design, quick-time events are probably in my top five least favorite gaming conventions of all time. They're that bad.
what if they were done right? like in heavy rain?

The entire game is based around it...

Its like.... does that even count?

Naru · October 22, 2015, 08:14:53 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on October 22, 2015, 08:12:44 PM

Quote from: Naru on October 22, 2015, 08:09:49 PM
Quote from: Verbatim on October 22, 2015, 07:26:08 PM
Cancer. Pure, unmitigated cancer. Like, when it comes to bad game design, quick-time events are probably in my top five least favorite gaming conventions of all time. They're that bad.
what if they were done right? like in heavy rain?
I'll have to look up how it was implemented.

its a game based on qte, shaking the controller, moving it around and the usual button pressing.

Naru · October 22, 2015, 08:15:46 PM

Quote from: Asura on October 22, 2015, 08:14:53 PM

Quote from: Naru on October 22, 2015, 08:09:49 PM
Quote from: Verbatim on October 22, 2015, 07:26:08 PM
Cancer. Pure, unmitigated cancer. Like, when it comes to bad game design, quick-time events are probably in my top five least favorite gaming conventions of all time. They're that bad.
what if they were done right? like in heavy rain?
The entire game is based around it...

Its like.... does that even count?

well, what im trying to say is, games should try to implement qte like how they're used in heavy rain. put some effort in how the player survives or do something.

DAS B00T x2 · October 22, 2015, 08:22:27 PM

Quote from: Epsira on October 22, 2015, 07:45:10 PM

Can someone forward an example of a good QTE?

TFU didn't do em bad, I think.
They were just ends to the boss fights in cool semi-interactive movie style kung fu shit.

kinda unsure if this counts, but maybe LoD's combat mechanics once you factor in counters from the enemy as well

YouTube

Definitely pre-dates the modern notion of a QTE by quite a bit though.

GAMERG0D · October 22, 2015, 08:25:39 PM

It is lazy game design, if you look at Halo 4 and other games with "final bosses", western devs can't make final bosses for shit.

Hahahaha very funny Zonda · October 22, 2015, 08:27:37 PM

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Verbatim · October 22, 2015, 08:29:31 PM

The only thing I know about Heavy Rain is this video (spoilers):

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challengerX · October 22, 2015, 08:33:39 PM

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Verbatim · October 22, 2015, 08:38:42 PM

But yeah, uh, I can't say Heavy Rain looks like a very fun game to "play". Like... I don't understand why you'd want to have a game that's entirely just quick-time events.

eggsalad · October 22, 2015, 08:39:19 PM

It's only bad if failing it just starts the cutscene over again. If failing it creates a divergent story, even just in the cutscene, then it's a meaningful element to the game.

Jim · October 22, 2015, 08:40:53 PM

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Verbatim · October 22, 2015, 08:53:45 PM

Quote from: eggsalad on October 22, 2015, 08:39:19 PM

It's only bad if failing it just starts the cutscene over again. If failing it creates a divergent story, even just in the cutscene, then it's a meaningful element to the game.

>playing game
>emotionally invested in the characters
>survive a whole bunch of ridiculously hard shit
>finally beat the level
>cutscene
>breathe a sigh of relief as you let your hands rest
>place your controller beside you
>enjoy cutscene
>an X appears
>the bad guy has returned with a gun pulled out on your favorite character
>quickly gasp as you fumble around, trying to pick back up your controller in time
>X disappears after 0.5 seconds
>your favorite character dies

yeah

no

Naru · October 22, 2015, 09:00:43 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on October 22, 2015, 08:53:45 PM

Quote from: eggsalad on October 22, 2015, 08:39:19 PM
It's only bad if failing it just starts the cutscene over again. If failing it creates a divergent story, even just in the cutscene, then it's a meaningful element to the game.
>playing game
>emotionally invested in the characters
>survive a whole bunch of ridiculously hard shit
>finally beat the level
>cutscene
>breathe a sigh of relief as you let your hands rest
>place your controller beside you
>enjoy cutscene
>an X appears
>the bad guy has returned with a gun pulled out on your favorite character
>quickly gasp as you fumble around, trying to pick back up your controller in time
>X disappears after 0.5 seconds
>your favorite character dies

yeah

no

honestly this would be hilarious to do to people if i developed a game

Lifts Her Tail · October 22, 2015, 11:22:01 PM

Quote from: Pip on October 22, 2015, 06:47:43 PM

It's press X to pay respects you twat

If you're a peasant

Verbatim · October 22, 2015, 11:32:12 PM

All right, I got it.

If you want to make an interactive movie, quick-time events are the best way of going about that.

If you want to make a game, though? No. Quick-time events have no place in games.

Epsira · October 22, 2015, 11:38:28 PM

Quote from: DAS r00d d00d B00T on October 22, 2015, 08:22:27 PM

Quote from: Epsira on October 22, 2015, 07:45:10 PM
Can someone forward an example of a good QTE?
TFU didn't do em bad, I think.
They were just ends to the boss fights in cool semi-interactive movie style kung fu shit.

kinda unsure if this counts, but maybe LoD's combat mechanics once you factor in counters from the enemy as well
YouTube

Definitely pre-dates the modern notion of a QTE by quite a bit though.

That reminds me of something...
Kaim does it at 0:49

YouTube

I can see how it could be engaging for players if it's integrated seamlessly into the action and doesn't disrupt flow. I suppose I have a greater problem when the game stops so you can press one button before continuing to another cinematic/arbitrary screen to do a similar action. It just takes you out of the moment and makes you realize you're playing a game.

Jono · October 23, 2015, 12:11:43 AM

I like how the most recent Tomb Raider game did QTEs. The game didn't depend on those entirely when you were platforming or in combat.