What's the worst thing you've said about Nintendo...

Ian | Mythic Inconceivable!
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam:
ID: Gaara444
IP: Logged

9,245 posts
Signature goes here.
Didn't you say in a thread eons ago that the touch-screen for the DS wasn't gimmicky? It was something along the lines of it being an innovative feature that allowed the player to interact with games in a new and interesting way.

Wrong.

Gamecube had the lunchbox build and cute little mini-discs.
N64, obviously, had the 64-bit gimmick.
The DS had the touch screen, which was extremely well-received.
Portability itself was considered a gimmick when the Game Boy was released.
The Virtual Boy was the raw definition of gimmick.

NES and SNES were made before Nintendo found their niche in the industry, because they were on top of the gaming world. Even then, those two systems were rife with gimmicky technology, like mode-7.

Nintendo has always employed gimmicks.


Ian | Mythic Inconceivable!
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam:
ID: Gaara444
IP: Logged

9,245 posts
Signature goes here.
Regardless I don't mind saying a lot of negative shit to Reggie about Nintendo. I'm not trying to attack Nintendo here (even if I do think the Switch is bad). However I doubt Nintendo doesn't want to see themselves on the same level of success as Sony and MS, they just have their own views of trying to get them there. Which is something I can applaud them for, as much as I am a fan of my new PS4 and Sony in general, they have been greatly disappointing me in a variety of fields and the XB1 is the biggest insult to a console I've ever seen.

However, everything I've seen come out of Nintendo lately is either unappealing or questionable. I might have been singing a different tune if they didn't botch the release of the NES Classic as that was something that really peaked my interest. I've never owned a Nintendo console outside of a Gameboy Advance and a 3DS; a NESC would've helped get into something I never got to experience outside of daycare when I was little. And I can't see how they could let the release of it just fall flat like it did; it's literally just a Raspberry Pi in a box that has mostly air inside it, not exactly a fortune to craft (niche communities have been doing it for years with the advent of custom PCs).

So when the Wii U flops as hard as it did and with speculation arising as to Nintendo possibly intentionally destroying their NESC release, then couple that with the fact that I was at the mercy of scalpers when I went to buy my own 3DS, I'm going to have a sour taste in my mouth when trying to get into Nintendo products.


Dietrich Six | Mythic Inconceivable!
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam:
ID: DietrichSix
IP: Logged

11,784 posts
Excuse me, I'm full of dog poison
>64 bit
>gimmick

Wut
For the time, it was, yes. Back then, graphics took a backseat to gameplay--it didn't matter if your game didn't look the best, as long as it was still fun. Everyone put up with 8-bit and 16-bit graphics for years and years, because it was fine--anything more was cool, but not necessary.

Prior to the N64, "64-bit" was as big of a joke meme gimmick as 4K is today.

I was actually cognizant when the 64 came out and you couldn't be more wrong.

The release of the PlayStation lit a fire under Nintendo's ass, games have always been about graphics.

Fuck man, even Sega had a hand in the one upmanship during the original console wars.


 
Verbatim
| Komm, süßer Tod
 
more |
XBL:
PSN: Verbatim-1
Steam: Jaco230
ID: Verbatim
IP: Logged

48,049 posts
Didn't you say in a thread eons ago that the touch-screen for the DS wasn't gimmicky? It was something along the lines of it being an innovative feature that allowed the player to interact with games in a new and interesting way.
Ummm, I don't recall. If I said something like that "eons ago," yet I'm saying something different now, chances are good that I've either changed my mind or I didn't express myself well enough back then--because the DS's touch screen is a bona fide gimmick.

But that's not a bad thing. That's probably what I was trying to say--there are good gimmicks and there are bad gimmicks. The best gimmicks are exactly as you recall me describing: innovative features that allow the player to interact with games in new and interesting ways.

A bad gimmick is something that doesn't do that, or is too obtuse to be fully explored by third parties. They're just there to tickle the dicks of investors.

But yeah, not all gimmicks are bad, was my point.
Last Edit: February 25, 2017, 11:09:02 AM by Verbatim


 
Verbatim
| Komm, süßer Tod
 
more |
XBL:
PSN: Verbatim-1
Steam: Jaco230
ID: Verbatim
IP: Logged

48,049 posts
I was actually cognizant when the 64 came out and you couldn't be more wrong.

The release of the PlayStation lit a fire under Nintendo's ass, games have always been about graphics.

Fuck man, even Sega had a hand in the one upmanship during the original console wars.
I don't think there would still be so many retro gamers and people who refuse to play anything past the SNES, if what you're saying is at all accurate.

I never said games weren't about graphics--Nintendo just values gameplay more, and always always always has. For them, graphics were a gimmick. Icing on the cake.


 
Verbatim
| Komm, süßer Tod
 
more |
XBL:
PSN: Verbatim-1
Steam: Jaco230
ID: Verbatim
IP: Logged

48,049 posts
I mean, they were so proud of this silly 64-bit figure that they slapped it in the title of all their major releases. Now, no one cares about "bits" because they're an obsolete way to view a console's architecture. It was just a marketing meme.

You might even say it was a marketing gimmick. A highly competitive gimmick, but still a gimmick.
Last Edit: February 25, 2017, 11:21:41 AM by Verbatim


 
Verbatim
| Komm, süßer Tod
 
more |
XBL:
PSN: Verbatim-1
Steam: Jaco230
ID: Verbatim
IP: Logged

48,049 posts
OH, and let's not forget the rumble pak, which started on N64. Gimmicky, yeah, but people have embraced it.


Dietrich Six | Mythic Inconceivable!
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam:
ID: DietrichSix
IP: Logged

11,784 posts
Excuse me, I'm full of dog poison
I was actually cognizant when the 64 came out and you couldn't be more wrong.

The release of the PlayStation lit a fire under Nintendo's ass, games have always been about graphics.

Fuck man, even Sega had a hand in the one upmanship during the original console wars.
I don't think there would still be so many retro gamers and people who refuse to play anything past the SNES, if what you're saying is at all accurate.

I never said games weren't about graphics--Nintendo just values gameplay more, and always always always has. For them, graphics were a gimmick. Icing on the cake.

I'm fairly sure there aren't people who refuse to play games past the snes, and if there are there aren't a lot of them.

Japan's stance on video games and graphics are very different from ours, many publishers thought anything better than ps2 graphics were pointless. You can see that with konami's split with kojima and their focus on mobile games. Hell, plenty of Japanese developers are focusing on their mobile platforms.

Wasn't the case with the 64 tho. PlayStation pushed the limits of gaming consoles and they were taking market shares from Nintendo. Nintendo answered with the 64 because they had to. It wasn't a gimmick, it was survival.

Yes, graphics weren't the most important thing for Nintendo, but they couldn't ignore that they were necessary. Doesn't really suit your gimmick theory.


Dietrich Six | Mythic Inconceivable!
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam:
ID: DietrichSix
IP: Logged

11,784 posts
Excuse me, I'm full of dog poison
I mean, they were so proud of this silly 64-bit figure that they slapped it in the title of all their major releases. Now, no one cares about "bits" because they're an obsolete way to view a console's architecture. It was just a marketing meme.

You might even say it was a marketing gimmick. A highly competitive gimmick, but still a gimmick.

3D adventure games are gimmicks, only top down 2D Zeldas exist. ( no side scrolling bullshit )


Spartan | Legendary Invincible!
 
more |
XBL: SpartanT110
PSN:
Steam:
ID: SpartanT110
IP: Logged

3,437 posts
 
I'd walk right up to that cunt, look him square in the eyes, and tell him 'ORAS sucks'


Super Irish | Legendary Invincible!
 
more |
XBL: Superirish19
PSN: Superirish19
Steam: Superirish19
ID: Super Irish
IP: Logged

6,010 posts
If I'm not here, I'm doing photography. Or I'm asleep. Or in lockdown. One of those three, anyway.

The current titlebar/avatar setup is just normal.
That I've no interest in Nintendo anything.

At all.


 
Verbatim
| Komm, süßer Tod
 
more |
XBL:
PSN: Verbatim-1
Steam: Jaco230
ID: Verbatim
IP: Logged

48,049 posts
That I've no interest in Nintendo anything.

At all.
is a more miserable existence conceivable


 
Naru
| The Tide Caller
 
more |
XBL: Naru No Baka
PSN:
Steam: The Tide Caller
ID: GasaiYuno
IP: Logged

18,501 posts
The Rage....
can nintendo just stop milking mario


 
 
Flee
| Marty Forum Ninja
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam:
ID: Flee
IP: Logged

15,686 posts
 
This user has been blacklisted from posting on the forums. Until the blacklist is lifted, all posts made by this user have been hidden and require a Sep7agon® SecondClass Premium Membership to view.


FatherlyNick - fuck putin | Mythic Inconceivable!
 
more |
XBL: FatherlyNick
PSN: FatherlyNick
Steam: FatherlyNick
ID: FatherlyNick
IP: Logged

9,104 posts
If you know, you know.
Is there a Switch emulator yet on PC?


 
Verbatim
| Komm, süßer Tod
 
more |
XBL:
PSN: Verbatim-1
Steam: Jaco230
ID: Verbatim
IP: Logged

48,049 posts
Is there a Switch emulator yet on PC?
^Mods


 
 
Flee
| Marty Forum Ninja
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam:
ID: Flee
IP: Logged

15,686 posts
 
This user has been blacklisted from posting on the forums. Until the blacklist is lifted, all posts made by this user have been hidden and require a Sep7agon® SecondClass Premium Membership to view.


FatherlyNick - fuck putin | Mythic Inconceivable!
 
more |
XBL: FatherlyNick
PSN: FatherlyNick
Steam: FatherlyNick
ID: FatherlyNick
IP: Logged

9,104 posts
If you know, you know.
Nothing, I don't feel like getting down-smashed into the sun.
Spoiler
Nintendo fighting off progress and powerful hardware like ^
games > hardware
Yeah but it doesn't help developers much.
They made the same mistake with N64 - great system, but Nintendo had to be Nintendo and release the games on fucking cartridges! We got good games, but devs had to rip apart their own assholes trying to keep the game as close to their original vision while compressing it onto a two byte cartridge.
This is exactly why FF never came to N64 and they barely got RE2 on there.
Its not bad hardware, but they could have done much better.
Now, would it have been possible to have power + mobility...


 
Verbatim
| Komm, süßer Tod
 
more |
XBL:
PSN: Verbatim-1
Steam: Jaco230
ID: Verbatim
IP: Logged

48,049 posts
Damn, new Zelda game looks beautiful.
you bet your ass


FatherlyNick - fuck putin | Mythic Inconceivable!
 
more |
XBL: FatherlyNick
PSN: FatherlyNick
Steam: FatherlyNick
ID: FatherlyNick
IP: Logged

9,104 posts
If you know, you know.
Damn, new Zelda game looks beautiful.
you bet your ass
The art style really fits the universe.


 
True Turquoise
| MILF Hunter
 
more |
XBL: Anora Whisper
PSN: True_Turquoise
Steam: truturquoise
ID: True Turquoise
IP: Logged

25,382 posts
fuck you
they stink