Quote from: SecondClass on April 15, 2016, 02:39:18 PMBecause the game, the game creator, and everyone who plays the game deeply hold onto that fact.Genocide ending holds up perfectly well on its own. You just don't feel satisfied by it because you're a little puss who doesn't understand that tragedy is a genre.QuoteWhat the fuck? Obviously I don't believe that choices in VIDEO GAMES represent the morality of the player, I'm saying that's the attitude of the game and its players.why can't the game make moral assessments on actions you makeit's like you're literally feeling accused of being a murderer because a game does it for the sake of trying to give you a meaningful experience. it's hilarious. calling your viewpoint autistic isn't just a meme, you literally have trouble interpreting the intentions and feelings behind communication.
Because the game, the game creator, and everyone who plays the game deeply hold onto that fact.
What the fuck? Obviously I don't believe that choices in VIDEO GAMES represent the morality of the player, I'm saying that's the attitude of the game and its players.
So many people out and out reject the dichotomous good/bad morality systems in places like BioWare games, but I think they offer a good starting point for this conversation. When you look at their achievements, they sometimes have one for each path, which implies the game should be played in both directions. I have never done it. Iโve only played good characters because I donโt like being evil or a dick (in the case of Mass Effect). It just doesnโt bring joy to my heart, so Undertale reinforcing that position within the game with a heavy Aesopian level of fable is perfectly suited toward that attitude. This isnโt about experiencing โeverything.โ This is about making a moral choice and seeing it through to the end with actual consequences even if theyโre never dire to your actual life.
the one true God is Doctor Doom and we should all be worshiping him.
The entire game is a commentary on choosing to be evil in a video game out of boredom or curiosity. Of course you don't like it - you're the sort of player the game is mocking.
Quote from: Caped Baldy on April 15, 2016, 03:01:16 PMThe entire game is a commentary on choosing to be evil in a video game out of boredom or curiosity. Of course you don't like it - you're the sort of player the game is mocking.Exactly. Even though, in choice based games, it's pretty much a requirement to play both sides. Otherwise you're throwing money away.
Which is what I don't like about Undertale. It literally encourages you to only play half of the game. It wants you to only play half of the game. A game like Fallout or Mass Effect encourages you to play both branches.
Quote from: SecondClass on April 15, 2016, 03:03:29 PMQuote from: Caped Baldy on April 15, 2016, 03:01:16 PMThe entire game is a commentary on choosing to be evil in a video game out of boredom or curiosity. Of course you don't like it - you're the sort of player the game is mocking.Exactly. Even though, in choice based games, it's pretty much a requirement to play both sides. Otherwise you're throwing money away.It's not a requirement, it's a choice. You can go for a Genocide Run if you want, and you're given ample warning that there will be consequences. It'd be unfair if the game actively encouraged you to play it and then told you that, but it doesn't.QuoteWhich is what I don't like about Undertale. It literally encourages you to only play half of the game. It wants you to only play half of the game. A game like Fallout or Mass Effect encourages you to play both branches.A game like Fallout or Mass Effect isn't a commentary on being cruel for the sake of entertainment. Those are sandbox games. Undertale isn't.
Quote from: SecondClass on April 15, 2016, 02:25:48 PMQuote from: challengerX on April 15, 2016, 02:20:43 PMQuote from: SecondClass on April 15, 2016, 01:43:26 PMQuote from: challengerX on April 15, 2016, 01:41:22 PMQuote from: SecondClass on April 15, 2016, 01:35:43 PMEven in a game like Mass Effect, taking the evil route results in disgusted reactions from certain companions, different and darker outcomes for the world, etc. You're being evil, of course nothing good is going to come from it.But yet the game itself doesn't strongly, strongly dissuade you from taking that path. It's a viable option for you to play as - in Undertale, choosing that option makes you the player a monster. How dare you kill all these peace loving villagers who just want to be your friend? No, the TRUE way to play is to never kill a soul. Anything else and you're missing the TRUE point of the game.Yeah funnily enough people consider you a monster if you commit genocide.Yeah funnily enough you the player didn't commit genocide, you played a video game.Jesus Christ, even after I underlined it, you still don't get it.literally what the fuckThis is some seriously intense autism
Quote from: challengerX on April 15, 2016, 02:20:43 PMQuote from: SecondClass on April 15, 2016, 01:43:26 PMQuote from: challengerX on April 15, 2016, 01:41:22 PMQuote from: SecondClass on April 15, 2016, 01:35:43 PMEven in a game like Mass Effect, taking the evil route results in disgusted reactions from certain companions, different and darker outcomes for the world, etc. You're being evil, of course nothing good is going to come from it.But yet the game itself doesn't strongly, strongly dissuade you from taking that path. It's a viable option for you to play as - in Undertale, choosing that option makes you the player a monster. How dare you kill all these peace loving villagers who just want to be your friend? No, the TRUE way to play is to never kill a soul. Anything else and you're missing the TRUE point of the game.Yeah funnily enough people consider you a monster if you commit genocide.Yeah funnily enough you the player didn't commit genocide, you played a video game.Jesus Christ, even after I underlined it, you still don't get it.
Quote from: SecondClass on April 15, 2016, 01:43:26 PMQuote from: challengerX on April 15, 2016, 01:41:22 PMQuote from: SecondClass on April 15, 2016, 01:35:43 PMEven in a game like Mass Effect, taking the evil route results in disgusted reactions from certain companions, different and darker outcomes for the world, etc. You're being evil, of course nothing good is going to come from it.But yet the game itself doesn't strongly, strongly dissuade you from taking that path. It's a viable option for you to play as - in Undertale, choosing that option makes you the player a monster. How dare you kill all these peace loving villagers who just want to be your friend? No, the TRUE way to play is to never kill a soul. Anything else and you're missing the TRUE point of the game.Yeah funnily enough people consider you a monster if you commit genocide.
Quote from: challengerX on April 15, 2016, 01:41:22 PMQuote from: SecondClass on April 15, 2016, 01:35:43 PMEven in a game like Mass Effect, taking the evil route results in disgusted reactions from certain companions, different and darker outcomes for the world, etc. You're being evil, of course nothing good is going to come from it.But yet the game itself doesn't strongly, strongly dissuade you from taking that path. It's a viable option for you to play as - in Undertale, choosing that option makes you the player a monster. How dare you kill all these peace loving villagers who just want to be your friend? No, the TRUE way to play is to never kill a soul. Anything else and you're missing the TRUE point of the game.Yeah funnily enough people consider you a monster if you commit genocide.
Quote from: SecondClass on April 15, 2016, 01:35:43 PMEven in a game like Mass Effect, taking the evil route results in disgusted reactions from certain companions, different and darker outcomes for the world, etc. You're being evil, of course nothing good is going to come from it.But yet the game itself doesn't strongly, strongly dissuade you from taking that path. It's a viable option for you to play as - in Undertale, choosing that option makes you the player a monster. How dare you kill all these peace loving villagers who just want to be your friend? No, the TRUE way to play is to never kill a soul. Anything else and you're missing the TRUE point of the game.Yeah funnily enough people consider you a monster if you commit genocide.
Even in a game like Mass Effect, taking the evil route results in disgusted reactions from certain companions, different and darker outcomes for the world, etc. You're being evil, of course nothing good is going to come from it.But yet the game itself doesn't strongly, strongly dissuade you from taking that path. It's a viable option for you to play as - in Undertale, choosing that option makes you the player a monster. How dare you kill all these peace loving villagers who just want to be your friend? No, the TRUE way to play is to never kill a soul. Anything else and you're missing the TRUE point of the game.
Which is what I don't like about Undertale. It literally encourages you to only play half of the game. It wants you to only play half of the game.
Quote from: SecondClass on April 15, 2016, 03:03:29 PMWhich is what I don't like about Undertale. It literally encourages you to only play half of the game. It wants you to only play half of the game. it knows that players will elect to try genocide out of curiosity
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It's mainly the fans who criticize me any time I ask for any advice or information relating to genocide in the least because "I'm a bad person for doing it".
Quote from: SecondClass on April 15, 2016, 03:17:18 PMIt's mainly the fans who criticize me any time I ask for any advice or information relating to genocide in the least because "I'm a bad person for doing it".are you sure these people aren't actually being genuine, and are just playing into the game's themei fucking hate annoying fanbases, too--they can seriously ruin a game for mebut i have doubts that these people are being serious when they call you a bad person for playing a game a certain way
Genocide is bad and people who genocide should feel bad
Quote from: Prime ฮผโ on April 16, 2016, 05:16:00 PMGenocide is bad and people who genocide should feel badhitler though
Spoiler Want to play Undertale the right way but can't stand the characters
