If you want to play a game like that, then go find one like that. Souls wouldn't make it like that because that's entirely against the point of an invasion.
If you, yourself, do not feel like you have sufficiently consented to invasions, then don't use the item. It's that simple.
Quote from: Dean "Turkey" Strang on January 14, 2016, 12:01:17 PMIf you, yourself, do not feel like you have sufficiently consented to invasions, then don't use the item. It's that simple.I haven't even played the game.
Quote from: Fuddy Duddy II on January 14, 2016, 12:06:12 PMQuote from: Dean "Turkey" Strang on January 14, 2016, 12:01:17 PMIf you, yourself, do not feel like you have sufficiently consented to invasions, then don't use the item. It's that simple.I haven't even played the game.
Ender stop taking the bait
Quote from: Septy on January 14, 2016, 12:07:33 PMQuote from: Fuddy Duddy II on January 14, 2016, 12:06:12 PMQuote from: Dean "Turkey" Strang on January 14, 2016, 12:01:17 PMIf you, yourself, do not feel like you have sufficiently consented to invasions, then don't use the item. It's that simple.I haven't even played the game.What a brilliant fucking observation.
Except that's not what I want. I don't want the game to let you choose if you have a chance of dying--I want the game to let you choose whether or not you want to duel other players.That's it.
Breaking consent is always wrong.
Dueling players = chance of dying. Connect the dots Verb.
"I didn't give consent, even though I bought the game, played it and used the item which lets invasions happen with full knowledge that invasions exist."
Yet you are complaining about a mechanic that you never actually tried yourself?
Quote from: Darth Pipsqueak on January 14, 2016, 12:12:14 PMYet you are complaining about a mechanic that you never actually tried yourself?I know enough about how it works, so what the fuck does it matter?
Because you never actually tested it!That means a lot! Just because you watched a video means you don't know how it felt.
Quote from: Darth Pipsqueak on January 14, 2016, 12:14:32 PMBecause you never actually tested it!That means a lot! Just because you watched a video means you don't know how it felt.I never watched a video. I've never seen it in action.Because I don't have to. It's irrelevant. I know how it works, and I know I'd fucking hate it.BECAUSE IT'S NONCONSENSUAL.
You never actually experienced the invasion mode, you are just assuming that it's bad.
And by the way, invasions never have been consented to. Ever.
Quote from: Darth Pipsqueak on January 14, 2016, 12:17:48 PMYou never actually experienced the invasion mode, you are just assuming that it's bad.Because I fucking know how it works. I don't NEED to experience it to know how it works.If it isn't consensual, I don't WANT to fucking experience it.QuoteAnd by the way, invasions never have been consented to. Ever.whichisthefuckingproblem
Just because you know how a gun works doesn't mean you can fucking shoot it.
Knowing does not equal experiencing.
Quote from: Dean "Turkey" Strang on January 14, 2016, 12:01:17 PMIf you, yourself, do not feel like you have sufficiently consented to invasions, then don't use the item. It's that simple.You keep referencing this "item" I've seen nobody else talk about. What exactly does it do?
If it does anything else along with opening the doors for invasion, then that's a terrible mechanic.You should be able to use that item and receive all its benefits without opening the doors for invasion.
Quote from: Darth Pipsqueak on January 14, 2016, 12:22:15 PMJust because you know how a gun works doesn't mean you can fucking shoot it.What does that have to do with anything?QuoteKnowing does not equal experiencing.Except the argument isn't about experience. No one's arguing experience. We're arguing about whether or not invasions should be in Dark Souls.They shouldn't, because they're nonconsensual, and the best way to have fun with other players is through consent.
The benefits exist specifically to offset the risk of invasion.
I'm saying you can't have a good fucking opinion on invasions without actually trying it out.
Quote from: Fuddy Duddy II on January 14, 2016, 12:12:41 PMThe game should ask you if you want to duel with another player. There should be no invasions at all.There are Red Soapstone Signs that people can lay down and people can choose to summon them to fight instead, example of an area where that's prevalent is the Iron Keep in Dark Souls 2; however that's not something that not every invader will use. There are also some areas of the game that is more prone to invasion because of covenants that are meant to protect the area you go into such as the Forest Hunter covenant. That being said, I do agree that invasions can suck, especially for a new player. There are players of the game that fully understand builds and how to play that will create a new character and fuck up new players of the game. From did make a good choice with Bloodborne in allowing people to choose between playing online or offline in the title screen, they'll probably be bringing that into DS3 as well.
The game should ask you if you want to duel with another player. There should be no invasions at all.
Quote from: Darth Pipsqueak on January 14, 2016, 12:25:36 PMI'm saying you can't have a good fucking opinion on invasions without actually trying it out.Which doesn't make any logical fucking sense.You can't have a good opinion on bestiality if you've never fucked a dog before.You can't have a good opinion on cutting if you've never cut yourself before.You can't have a good opinion on eating shit if you've never ate shit before.See how retarded that sounds?
I cannot go ahead and say skydiving is a horrible thing because i've never felt the thrill of it.
You cannot say invasions in DKS are a horrible thing until you have actually gotten invaded.
Those are horrible examples. Seriously.
Quote from: Darth Pipsqueak on January 14, 2016, 12:32:47 PMI cannot go ahead and say skydiving is a horrible thing because i've never felt the thrill of it.Skydiving is pretty fucking stupid, because of all the risks involved. I've never skydived, and I can say this, because I have a fucking brain that can deduce simple facts that I've gathered through observation.QuoteYou cannot say invasions in DKS are a horrible thing until you have actually gotten invaded.Anything nonconsensual is horrible.This is axiomatic.
If invasions were comprised of NPC characters alone, then it wouldn't be a problem--it would be like a random encounter in your average RPG. But instead, we have real human beings actively fucking each other over for "fun."
Video Games, consent, and you.
