Quote from: Darth Pipsqueak on January 14, 2016, 08:07:19 AM

The whole goal of the Invasion system in Dark Souls 2 is so players have another challenge in the form of online play, it is literally called "invasion". I don't remember anyone ever consenting to someone invading their land. It makes zero sense for you to be able to "pick and choose" who invades you.

That just means that the entire concept of player invasion is flawed as fuck and should be destroyed.

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There is also NPC's who invade or come to your aid as well, it's not always online players.

This is the only acceptable form of invasion. If there's already NPC invasions, there is NO NEED for player invasions. If someone wants to join your game, they should have to request it from you first. That's how it should work.

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Plus, they have the opposite to help you out during your time on Dark Souls 2. You can touch a sign on the ground and "pop!" A friend from another world comes to help you out. So it isn't all invading and killing eachother.

Doesn't matter. There's still invasions, and that's bad.

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rediculous.

*ridiculous

Dumbass.

Then play in fucking offline mode. It doesn't force you to play it.

All you did say in that was "I don't like that people come to kill me in Dark Souls."

Quote from: Fuddy Duddy II on January 14, 2016, 08:31:33 AM

Quote from: Darth Pipsqueak on January 14, 2016, 08:07:19 AM

The whole goal of the Invasion system in Dark Souls 2 is so players have another challenge in the form of online play, it is literally called "invasion". I don't remember anyone ever consenting to someone invading their land. It makes zero sense for you to be able to "pick and choose" who invades you.

That just means that the entire concept of player invasion is flawed as fuck and should be destroyed.

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There is also NPC's who invade or come to your aid as well, it's not always online players.

This is the only acceptable form of invasion. If there's already NPC invasions, there is NO NEED for player invasions. If someone wants to join your game, they should have to request it from you first. That's how it should work.

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Plus, they have the opposite to help you out during your time on Dark Souls 2. You can touch a sign on the ground and "pop!" A friend from another world comes to help you out. So it isn't all invading and killing eachother.

Doesn't matter. There's still invasions, and that's bad.

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rediculous.

*ridiculous

Dumbass.

Then play in fucking offline mode. It doesn't force you to play it.

All you did say in that was "I don't like that people come to kill me in Dark Souls."

Hey try living in Australia, it's a red blur and a lot of lost souls. That game sucked for PvP with us :/

Quote from: Simseoh on January 14, 2016, 06:52:47 AM

Is it not overly entitled to join a game where you can be matched with anyone, by design, and expect to matched with those only you consent with?

There is absolutely nothing "entitled" about not wanting to play with other people when you're not fucking asking for it.

That's, like, the exact opposite of entitled.

But you are asking for it, by playing the game when it's intentionally possible. What's entitled is choosing to play a game where it is meant to be possible to play with anyone, and expecting it to be how you want it.

As I said before, play specific modes where you get to decide, or don't play.

This is so idiotic

Then play in fucking offline mode. It doesn't force you to play it.

Which is nice and all, but it doesn't change the fact that the feature is still there. Unlike future installments like Bloodborne, the game doesn't ask you at the very beginning if you want to play on or offline. This is a flaw.

All you did say in that was "I don't like that people come to kill me in Dark Souls."

Wrong. Even if I was the greatest Dark Souls player of all time, and I just fucking slaughtered ANYBODY who dared to invade me, I would still think invasions are retarded.

I've always felt that I'm explicitly consenting to invasions when using humanity in Dark Souls

You're not, though.

Is there a prompt that says, "xXSuperDaSPlayerXx wishes to invade you. Do you accept his challenge? [yes] [no]"

If not, then no, you are not explicitly consenting to anything. You're implicitly consenting by playing the game, and choosing not to be bothered by the fact that you can't decline invasions.

I'm not being pedantic--I don't think you can fuck around with words like "explicit" like that. You can argue all you want that you're implicitly consenting to the whole invasion system by purchasing the game and playing it, but then I would argue that that's far too nebulous to be considered a true statement of consent.

Bloodborne did the bare minimum of what I want. What I actually want is for invasions to be completely redone to be consensual. Instead of being dragged into the duel against your will, you get to decline people from invading you. You would not, however, be able to decline NPC invasions. Just player invasions. That's what I want.

Quote from: Dean "Turkey" Strang on January 14, 2016, 09:04:44 AM

I've always felt that I'm explicitly consenting to invasions when using humanity in Dark Souls

You're not, though.

Is there a prompt that says, "xXSuperDaSPlayerXx wishes to invade you. Do you accept his challenge? [yes] [no]"

If not, then no, you are not explicitly consenting to anything. You're implicitly consenting by playing the game, and choosing not to be bothered by the fact that you can't decline invasions.

Nothing's implicit. The game tells you very straightforwardly that use of humanity opens you to invasion and allows you to summon players or NPCs for help. If I choose to use the item, I am choosing to allow invaders. I feel like this discussion has been blown completely out of proportion, too; unless you're hanging around dueling locations, you're likely to be invaded maybe once or twice in your playthrough.

Nothing's implicit. The game tells you very straightforwardly that use of humanity opens you to invasion and allows you to summon players or NPCs for help. If I choose to use the item, I am choosing to allow invaders.

See my edit. That's not good enough.

I feel like this discussion has been blown completely out of proportion, too; unless you're hanging around dueling locations, you're likely to be invaded maybe once or twice in your playthrough.

Doesn't make a lick of dfference to me. No one should get invaded at all, ever. Not even once. It just shouldn't be a part of the game.

You've consented to that gameplay mechanic by playing the game.

Not good enough. The game should ask you every single time if you're okay with someone spontaneously dueling you.

Or mod it.

LOL

It's not my job to fix a broken game. That's the developers' job.

Also, the word invasion implies it's not meant to be the more consensual thing ever, it's an invasion...

Exactly. The very concept shouldn't be a thing in a video game.

You.don't.consent.to.invasions.in.anything.

Which.is.the.problem.

playing a souls game off line is like being able to see, but all the colors show up as black and white.

playing a souls game off line is like being able to see, but all the colors show up as black and white.

Other way around. Offline is color, online is monochrome.

Fuck people.

Quote from: Ender on January 14, 2016, 10:59:32 AM

playing a souls game off line is like being able to see, but all the colors show up as black and white.

Other way around. Offline is color, online is monochrome.

Fuck people.

well that's, like, your opinion, man.

well that's, like, your opinion, man.

No shit. At least I can defend mine.

everyone else isn't? Is that what you're saying?

They're not doing it very well, is what I'm saying.