Valve pulls 'Hatred' from Steam Greenlight. | Updated

Naoto · December 15, 2014, 08:11:19 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on December 15, 2014, 08:03:19 PM

Quote from: Keyu on December 15, 2014, 06:55:45 PM
If you are fine with this getting pulled I don't see how you could argue against GTA being pulled.
i wouldn't argue against GTA being pulled either

i wouldn't be for it, by any means, but all i'm saying is... i can't find it within me to care that much if the game doesn't have any artistic merit (or... personal merit, in GTA's case)

Meh. Fair enough.

Like I said personally I couldn't care less about Hatred itself. Just the idea of saying 'this game is not ok' doesn't sit well with me.

Hahahaha very funny Zonda · December 15, 2014, 08:26:36 PM

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Word Wizard · December 15, 2014, 08:29:30 PM

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"Censorship"

There is nothing in the definition of censorship that suggest it only applies to govts.
Steam is censoring it from their software. They have that right. I'm not debating that. I'm debating whether its the right thing to do.
I think the game very clearly crossed the line of what's acceptable to put in a game. Something in the vein of Manhunt or Super Columbine Massacre RPG. It would be an extremely poor business decision on Valve's part to sell the game on Steam.

Yeah people are totally going to cut business with Valve/Steam because one shitty edgy game is on the market for the few who want it. I can almost guarantee a majority of the people complaining are tumblr blogging retards. If you don't play the game it literally has no effect on you.
it COMPLETELY effects EVERYONE in the gaming industry, if we let terrible games like this slide by, what does that say about the industry as a whole? if valve keeps this mass murder sim on greenlight it only proves the point of Jack Thompson and soccer moms trying to censor the industry as a whole.

So guilty by association? That's total BS. A violent game doesn't make every gamer/developer a racist, sexist, homophobic, rapist, serial killer in the making.

Fuck Jack Thompson and soccer mom's, they aren't in the right. There is not one credible study that suggests playing violent video games makes people violent.

Sigma617 · December 15, 2014, 08:46:31 PM

Good. I wasn't too thrilled about that tryhard game.

Anonymous (User Deleted) · December 15, 2014, 08:52:45 PM

Quote from: D4C on December 15, 2014, 07:34:43 PM

Quote from: Kupo on December 15, 2014, 06:50:16 PM
I think the game very clearly crossed the line of what's acceptable to put in a game. Something in the vein of Manhunt or Super Columbine Massacre RPG. It would be an extremely poor business decision on Valve's part to sell the game on Steam.
But Manhunt is on Steam.

Yeah, I don't know ._.

Maybe because the media hasn't cared about Manhunt in years...? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

🍁 Aria 🔮 · December 15, 2014, 08:58:50 PM

Quote from: Kupo on December 15, 2014, 08:52:45 PM

Quote from: D4C on December 15, 2014, 07:34:43 PM
Quote from: Kupo on December 15, 2014, 06:50:16 PM
I think the game very clearly crossed the line of what's acceptable to put in a game. Something in the vein of Manhunt or Super Columbine Massacre RPG. It would be an extremely poor business decision on Valve's part to sell the game on Steam.
But Manhunt is on Steam.
Yeah, I don't know ._.

Maybe because the media hasn't cared about Manhunt in years...? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Which makes it extremely obvious why this is happening: people are stupid and don't pay attention to anything. They're making Hatred out to be the first of its kind, when it reality it's just the newest game in the trend. It's not been removed because it's bad, it's removed because your rights end where my feelings begin. I don't blame Valve, I wouldn't want that kind of attention.

Besides, if Hatred's marketing campaign wasn't just "it's edgy" I doubt it'd have gotten such a reaction. I wouldn't be surprised if this was what they were aiming for.

Juuzou · December 15, 2014, 09:05:23 PM

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Verbatim · December 15, 2014, 10:51:44 PM

Quote from: The First Noelle on December 15, 2014, 09:05:23 PM

Censorship is bad.

Would you install a fish tank without a filter? That's kinda what I see this as. It's not censorship; it's filtering bullshit. Unless you enjoy swimming around in excrement...

Not every game has to be made. Not every game should be made.

BaconShelf · December 16, 2014, 01:48:44 AM

But how will I ever satisfy my fedora tipping wishes now?

Comet · December 16, 2014, 08:35:32 AM

what the fuck Valve.

Mat Cauthon · December 16, 2014, 08:38:19 AM

Pulling it shits all over common sense and lets "muh feelings over something I don't need to see" take over.

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Verbatim · December 16, 2014, 11:17:13 AM

Well, then, you missed the point of the analogy. The point isn't death. The point is making a mess for the sake of making a mess. Regardless of if the fish died if their tank got too filthy, I would STILL clean it.

...Because that shit's fucking gross.

This game... is fucking gross. A blight on what would be that much shittier of a game industry if we allow it to see the light of day. And it has nothing to do with the content--I know, I like violent video games, too. I like edgy dialogue and a bleak atmosphere. What I don't like is the mindless, soulless, hedonistic portrayal of it. It offers nothing intelligent or sophisticated to the zeitgeist as is, so in my opinion, it shouldn't exist. Like I said, just because a game is made, doesn't made it has to have been. Games aren't sacred. You're not desecrating the integrity of the game industry if you say "uh-uh" to a game being created.

Now, if it was being censored out of saying the word "FUCK" or "CUNT" or "FAGGOT" or anything else, then I'd agree with you. Censorship of words is petty, but again, I wouldn't even call this censorship. It's been put into a dumpster where it belongs.

Hawk · December 16, 2014, 03:35:00 PM

I have to agree with valve here, that game's pretty fucked up and I wouldn't want to represent my company as the kind that supports it If I were in their shoes.

Naoto · December 16, 2014, 04:46:18 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on December 16, 2014, 11:17:13 AM

Now, if it was being censored out of saying the word "FUCK" or "CUNT" or "FAGGOT" or anything else, then I'd agree with you. Censorship of words is petty, but again, I wouldn't even call this censorship.

I think you should be banned for this post. Those words are gross, homophobic, and sexist. I don't think Cheat should allow those words on here. I don't want them to represent the Sep7agon community. Its like like a filter for a fish tank. I don't want to swim in shit.

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Verbatim · December 16, 2014, 04:52:26 PM

Quote from: Keyu on December 16, 2014, 04:46:18 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on December 16, 2014, 11:17:13 AM
Now, if it was being censored out of saying the word "FUCK" or "CUNT" or "FAGGOT" or anything else, then I'd agree with you. Censorship of words is petty, but again, I wouldn't even call this censorship.
I think you should be banned for this post. Those words are gross, homophobic, and sexist. I don't think Cheat should allow those words on here. I don't want them to represent the Sep7agon community. Its like like a filter for a fish tank. I don't want to swim in shit.
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Any argument for censorship is one that can be used against you by someone else.

If that's honestly how you felt about it, I would say that you were will within your right.

...So... You failed.

Naoto · December 16, 2014, 04:53:44 PM

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Quote from: Keyu on December 16, 2014, 04:46:18 PM
Quote from: Verbatim on December 16, 2014, 11:17:13 AM
Now, if it was being censored out of saying the word "FUCK" or "CUNT" or "FAGGOT" or anything else, then I'd agree with you. Censorship of words is petty, but again, I wouldn't even call this censorship.
I think you should be banned for this post. Those words are gross, homophobic, and sexist. I don't think Cheat should allow those words on here. I don't want them to represent the Sep7agon community. Its like like a filter for a fish tank. I don't want to swim in shit.
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Any argument for censorship is one that can be used against you by someone else.
If that's honestly how you felt about it, I would say that you were will within your right.

...So... You failed.

And this site would promptly turn to shit.

Verbatim · December 16, 2014, 04:54:28 PM

Quote from: Keyu on December 16, 2014, 04:53:44 PM

And this site would promptly turn to shit.

Okay.

I don't know what you're trying to say. It's not really changing anything.

Naoto · December 17, 2014, 01:24:20 AM

Bumping for update.
Looks like Valve has returned it to greenlight.

TheOneTrueDesticle · December 17, 2014, 01:48:54 AM

Quote from: Keyu on December 16, 2014, 04:46:18 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on December 16, 2014, 11:17:13 AM
Now, if it was being censored out of saying the word "FUCK" or "CUNT" or "FAGGOT" or anything else, then I'd agree with you. Censorship of words is petty, but again, I wouldn't even call this censorship.
I think you should be banned for this post. Those words are gross, homophobic, and sexist. I don't think Cheat should allow those words on here. I don't want them to represent the Sep7agon community. Its like like a filter for a fish tank. I don't want to swim in shit.
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Any argument for censorship is one that can be used against you by someone else.

SJW alert

Wee woo wee woo

True Turquoise · December 17, 2014, 06:41:21 AM

Seems like a dumb game anyway, but still... Games can't ruin lives

Turkey · December 17, 2014, 10:52:32 AM

It's not censorship. Steam has zero responsibility to endorse games it doesn't support, for whatever reason. Deciding not to host a disgusting game about murdering people just for the sake of murdering them was a bold statement, and I fully supported it.

GabeN backing down and apologizing doesn't make him the champion of free speech, it just makes him seem like a little bitch that is afraid of upsetting devs. This game is bad for the industry.

Word Wizard · December 17, 2014, 11:05:23 AM

Quote from: H̲u̲r̲t̲f̲u̲l̲T̲u̲r̲k̲e̲y on December 17, 2014, 10:52:32 AM

Deciding not to host a disgusting game about murdering people just for the sake of murdering them was a bold statement, and I fully supported it.

That's pretty much the point to every shooter multiplayer so we might as well ban those too right? Killing enemy players just for the heck of it.

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GabeN backing down and apologizing doesn't make him the champion of free speech, it just makes him seem like a little bitch that is afraid of upsetting devs. This game is bad for the industry.

The alternative is him being a bigger bitch to appease people who don't even play games and want to ban violent games that weren't even targeted to them or for their agenda.

Girl of Mystery · December 17, 2014, 11:20:09 AM

Quote from: H̲u̲r̲t̲f̲u̲l̲T̲u̲r̲k̲e̲y on December 17, 2014, 10:52:32 AM

It's not censorship. Steam has zero responsibility to endorse games it doesn't support, for whatever reason. Deciding not to host a disgusting game about murdering people just for the sake of murdering them was a bold statement, and I fully supported it.

Shit. I guess we better take down all games that involve killing then.
Bye bye CoD. Bye bye GTA. Bye bye Halo. Bye bye Battlefield. Bye bye the vast majority of the video game industry.

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GabeN backing down and apologizing doesn't make him the champion of free speech, it just makes him seem like a little bitch that is afraid of upsetting devs. This game is bad for the industry.

Gabe putting the game back up doesn't make him a bitch in the slightest. Taking games down because people are crying over them who are little bitches themselves is bad for the industry.

Mat Cauthon · December 17, 2014, 11:44:28 AM

Quote from: True Turquoise on December 17, 2014, 06:41:21 AM

Seems like a dumb game anyway,

GOAT SIMULATOR

DAS B00T x2 · December 17, 2014, 12:22:04 PM

Quote from: Sento on December 17, 2014, 11:44:28 AM

Quote from: True Turquoise on December 17, 2014, 06:41:21 AM
Seems like a dumb game anyway,
GOAT SIMULATOR

Are you implying that Goat Sim wasn't GOTY material?

Turkey · December 17, 2014, 12:35:54 PM

Quote from: >Being a BongLemön on December 17, 2014, 11:20:09 AM

Quote from: H̲u̲r̲t̲f̲u̲l̲T̲u̲r̲k̲e̲y on December 17, 2014, 10:52:32 AM
It's not censorship. Steam has zero responsibility to endorse games it doesn't support, for whatever reason. Deciding not to host a disgusting game about murdering people just for the sake of murdering them was a bold statement, and I fully supported it.
Shit. I guess we better take down all games that involve killing then.
Bye bye CoD. Bye bye GTA. Bye bye Halo. Bye bye Battlefield. Bye bye the vast majority of the video game industry.

Quote from: Sly Instinct on December 17, 2014, 11:05:23 AM

Quote from: H̲u̲r̲t̲f̲u̲l̲T̲u̲r̲k̲e̲y on December 17, 2014, 10:52:32 AM
Deciding not to host a disgusting game about murdering people just for the sake of murdering them was a bold statement, and I fully supported it.
That's pretty much the point to every shooter multiplayer so we might as well ban those too right? Killing enemy players just for the heck of it.

Just wondering if you guys are legitimately retarded because you can't distinguish between Hatred and any other shooter.

Verbatim · December 17, 2014, 12:52:07 PM

Quote from: H̲u̲r̲t̲f̲u̲l̲T̲u̲r̲k̲e̲y on December 17, 2014, 12:35:54 PM

Just wondering if you guys are legitimately retarded because you can't distinguish between Hatred and any other shooter.

I KNOW RIGHT

These fucking morons can only be petty weasels about everything. He specifically said "killing for the sake of killing," which you are not doing in games like Halo and CoD. Not even in GTA. Sure, in GTA, you can kill people for the absolute fuck of it, but that's not necessarily encouraged or endorsed by the game itself if you actually play the game's story instead of just fucking around like every shithead idiot that plays games like GTA.

In Hatred, not only are you actively killing for the sake of it, the game is about killing people for the sake of it. It ENDORSES it, for NO OTHER REASON. Which, to me, is just TOO mindless, TOO dumb, and TOO edgy, and shouldn't be a thing at all.

I'm not gonna whine and cry about it being greenlit again, because at the end of the day, I don't care all that much. But to compare this game with modern FPS games and GTA and shit, acting like it's gonna be a valuable piece of art just because it exists, is just goddamn stupid.

Vomit.

Verbatim · December 17, 2014, 01:04:14 PM

All they needed was a fucking--I mean, anything. They could've gave some shitty excuse, like, "Oh, his daddy beat him up as a kid." And that would've been like, oh, okay. That's a lame-ass fucking excuse, but at least it's something.

And hell, I haven't played the damn game, so I don't even really know anything about the main character's backstory or whatever. If he has any. So I feel bad for censuring this game so harshly with only having seen the trailer for it, but that's just the thing--they ought to have put more in the trailer.

But, as someone mentioned earlier, they did it on purpose. Making the trailer as violent and as edgy as possible generated a lot of buzz, which is exactly what they wanted. Which, to me, is evil in itself. Manipulating people to generate buzz around your game, make it popular, make it known, so they can chicanerously sell more copies. We'll have a bunch of people who will play the game to see how bad it is, or if it's as bad as it looked in the trailer, rather than people who were genuinely interested in the game to begin with. It's bullshit. It's bullshit, and I fucking hate it.

That should be reason enough not to get the game, but people will anyway. Because we suck.