Tropes vs. Women in Video Games: Women as Reward

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emigrate or degenerate. the choice is yours
To be fair, evolutionary impulses can detract from a person's ability to think logically. See the huge discussion in Serious about the two female Rangers and why it would negatively affect combat performance to have mixed company in the field
That's not the contention he has though. Innate male protectiveness over the female is a separate biological impulse that affects unit cohesion.

Verbatim thinks that just having sexual inhibitions makes someone stupid, when it obviously doesn't.


 
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It's irrational to be offended by sexual gratuity and then taking it to the extreme where it literally consumes every aspect of your life.

Be offended by sexual gratuity all you fucking want. Nobody cares. It isn't your prerogative to posit the notion of 'boycotting' because it personally makes you feel uncomfortable for a couple of minutes.

It takes a lot to offend me, but like the majority of rational thinking people, if something does offend me I think about it for a couple of minutes then move the fuck on with my life. Being offended pertains to you. It is YOUR personal problem. Not mine. Not anyone else. This is not a difficult concept.
Good boy. Now here is the part where I shred you to pieces.

1. It does not affect every aspect of my life. That is one gross exaggeration. It doesn't even affect my life in any noticeable way--for example--the monkey on my back still tells me that sex is fun and desirable. I allow the monkey to feed me these ideas every once in awhile, because it keeps me sane. But when it comes time to sit down and think about what we're doing on his planet, you have to recognize that everything that we do on this planet is shit. Most of all sex.

2. "Nobody cares"--which is why you're arguing with me about it.

3. You should still be offended by sexual gratuity. You have failed to explain why it doesn't and why you shouldn't.


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Nobody is being coerced into this.

Nobody is being harmed by this.

There is no moral imposition being perpetrated here. Whatsoever. It is once again, a subjective issue that exists within you.
None of which is required for exploitation to occur.

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Being born a normal human being doesn't make someone an idiot.
Oh yes it does. We're idiots by default. That's why we learn--and some people learn faster and better than others.
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Evolutionary impulses does not affect intelligence last I checked.
Check again. If you're able to accede the notion that having children represents no ethical transgression whatsoever, then, uh, you're fucking stupid. And yes--that means 99% of the human race is fucking stupid. Deal with it.
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Explain to me how using sex as a marketing tool is sexism.

Go on.

I'll be making a cuppa in the process munchkin.
No, because that's not what I said.
Using sex as a marketing tool is exploitation.

It becomes sexist when you start catering to specific genders. There are fast food commercials in America right now that use sweaty, scantily clad women to sell burgers, and it's abhorrently sexist, because it assumes that all men are just mindless fucking drones who will only buy something if they see a hot woman doing it. Or if it's associated with sex in ANY way. And it does this while exploiting the female form--which is dastardly in itself.


 
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Verbatim thinks that just having sexual inhibitions makes someone stupid, when it obviously doesn't.
It makes you less than intelligent. "Stupid" is just the quick, easy, punch-you-in-the-fucking-face way of putting it.


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Verbatim thinks that just having sexual inhibitions makes someone stupid, when it obviously doesn't.
It makes you less than intelligent. "Stupid" is just the quick, easy, punch-you-in-the-fucking-face way of putting it.
Bro, calm down for a minute, leave this thread...it ain't doing your health wonders.


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His eyebrows sparkling, his white beard hangs down to his chest. The thatched mats, spread outside his chise, spread softly, his splendid attos. He polishes, cross-legged, his makiri, with his eyes completely absorbed.

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The god of Ainu Mosir, Ae-Oine Kamuy, descendant of Okiku-Rumi, He perishes, a living corpse. The summers day, the white sunlight, unabrushed, ends simply through his breath alone.
To be fair, evolutionary impulses can detract from a person's ability to think logically. See the huge discussion in Serious about the two female Rangers and why it would negatively affect combat performance to have mixed company in the field
That's not the contention he has though. Innate male protectiveness over the female is a separate biological impulse that affects unit cohesion.

Verbatim thinks that just having sexual inhibitions makes someone stupid, when it obviously doesn't.
Just trying to build bridges here, man. If you can't agree, understanding the other's perspective is the next best thing.


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emigrate or degenerate. the choice is yours
1. It does not affect every aspect of my life. That is one gross exaggeration. It doesn't even affect my life in any noticeable way--for example--the monkey on my back still tells me that sex is fun and desirable. I allow the monkey to feed me these ideas every once in awhile, because it keeps me sane. But when it comes time to sit down and think about what we're doing on his planet, you have to recognize that everything that we do on this planet is shit. Most of all sex.
Your definition of 'shit' being subjective. Explain how sex being 'shit' has such damning and harmful consequences on the human populace besides referring to the tired old argument of "I personally find it disgusting" for the eleventy billionth time.
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2. "Nobody cares"--which is why you're arguing with me about it.
Are you trying to say that I care? Not sure what this sentence is trying to convey really. Kind of a non sequitur if anything
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3. You should still be offended by sexual gratuity. You have failed to explain why it doesn't and why you shouldn't.
I have. Most people agree that for something to be objectively offensive it has to extend to more than just the individual thought process of one person, namely you.

If there was evidence to suggest sexual gratuity convinced women into hypothetically speaking, killing themselves, then you would have a point, because it's a concrete issue that can be witnessed in the real world that doesn't just inhere with you.

Simply announcing your disgust over something is not a viable justification for something to be intrinsically 'offensive.'

Oh wow, so I guess that was your ebin 'shredding' huh? Step it up senpai.
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None of which is required for exploitation to occur.
Never made that proclamation. There is a fine gradient over what constitutes 'exploitation.' We exploit the natural resources of the Earth to power our technology. We exploit the weather to cultivate agriculture. None of which is morally reprehensible, and using scantily clad, mostly fictional people to generate revenue isn't either.
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Check again. If you're able to accede the notion that having children represents no ethical transgression whatsoever, then, uh, you're fucking stupid. And yes--that means 99% of the human race is fucking stupid. Deal with it.
I'm not talking about reproduction. We already have the technology and means to subvert a potential pregnancy considering most sex involves contraception.

I'm talking about the biological rewards of engaging in sexual intercourse. There is nothing immoral about it.
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It becomes sexist when you start catering to specific genders.
Considering it applies to both genders, it really isn't.
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There are fast food commercials in America right now that use sweaty, scantily clad women to sell burgers, and it's abhorrently sexist
And there are yoghurt commercials depicting muscle imbued hulks with the intention of getting women's pussies frothing. What the fuck is your point.
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because it assumes that all men are just mindless fucking drones who will only buy something if they see a hot woman doing it.
They kind of are tbh.
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Or if it's associated with sex in ANY way. And it does this while exploiting the female form--which is dastardly in itself.
Oh my fucking christ, please explain how this 'exploitation' inflicts damage to fucking ANYONE. Literally anyone.


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emigrate or degenerate. the choice is yours
To be fair, evolutionary impulses can detract from a person's ability to think logically. See the huge discussion in Serious about the two female Rangers and why it would negatively affect combat performance to have mixed company in the field
That's not the contention he has though. Innate male protectiveness over the female is a separate biological impulse that affects unit cohesion.

Verbatim thinks that just having sexual inhibitions makes someone stupid, when it obviously doesn't.
Just trying to build bridges here, man. If you can't agree, understanding the other's perspective is the next best thing.
I understand the perspective completely. I think it's a disgustingly pathetic perspective to have but he's perfectly entitled to have it, and I never contested that.


 
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Your definition of 'shit' being subjective. Explain how sex being 'shit' has such damning and harmful consequences on the human populace besides referring to the tired old argument of "I personally find it disgusting" for the eleventy billionth time.
It CREATES the human populace. It creates things to be killed and slaughtered and to endure pain and suffering. That's what the goal of sex is. To produce more fucking shitheads so that they can fucking die. That's what sex is ALL about.
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Are you trying to say that I care?
Yes. Because you're engaging with me. Not that complicated.
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Most people
Most people are FUCKING stupid. All you can do is argue from the majority.

Sorry--that's fallacious and stupid.

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Never made that proclamation. There is a fine gradient over what constitutes 'exploitation.' We exploit the natural resources of the Earth to power our technology. We exploit the weather to cultivate agriculture.
Which would work as an argument if you weren't making such an incredibly dehumanizing statement.

You're comparing women to natural resources and weather.

Sorry. They're a lot more than that. You misogynist.

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Considering it applies to both genders, it really isn't.
No, it doesn't. That's like saying racism is dead because there are racist groups against every single race on the planet, so when you group them all together, you get every flavor of prejudice. No. Some commercials are sexist against men, some commercials are sexist against women. You cant group them up together and then say it's not sexist just because they are both concurrent. What a stupid fucking argument.

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And there are yoghurt commercials depicting muscle imbued hulks with the intention of getting women's pussies frothing. What the fuck is your point.
That that's sexist.

Herpity derp.
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They kind of are tbh.
Be that as it may, that still doesn't make it acceptable.
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Oh my fucking christ, please explain how this 'exploitation' inflicts damage to fucking ANYONE. Literally anyone.
Why does it have to?


 
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To be fair, evolutionary impulses can detract from a person's ability to think logically. See the huge discussion in Serious about the two female Rangers and why it would negatively affect combat performance to have mixed company in the field
That's not the contention he has though. Innate male protectiveness over the female is a separate biological impulse that affects unit cohesion.

Verbatim thinks that just having sexual inhibitions makes someone stupid, when it obviously doesn't.
Just trying to build bridges here, man. If you can't agree, understanding the other's perspective is the next best thing.
I understand the perspective completely.
Your continual stream of inane questions would suggest otherwise.


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Your definition of 'shit' being subjective. Explain how sex being 'shit' has such damning and harmful consequences on the human populace besides referring to the tired old argument of "I personally find it disgusting" for the eleventy billionth time.
It CREATES the human populace. It creates things to be killed and slaughtered and to endure pain and suffering. That's what the goal of sex is. To produce more fucking shitheads so that they can fucking die. That's what sex is ALL about.


Oh oh here it comes


 
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Oh oh here it comes
What does this add? Really.


 
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He is Ainu.

The god of Ainu Mosir, Ae-Oine Kamuy, descendant of Okiku-Rumi, He perishes, a living corpse. The summers day, the white sunlight, unabrushed, ends simply through his breath alone.
I'm going to spank you all, goddammit.
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His eyebrows sparkling, his white beard hangs down to his chest. The thatched mats, spread outside his chise, spread softly, his splendid attos. He polishes, cross-legged, his makiri, with his eyes completely absorbed.

He is Ainu.

The god of Ainu Mosir, Ae-Oine Kamuy, descendant of Okiku-Rumi, He perishes, a living corpse. The summers day, the white sunlight, unabrushed, ends simply through his breath alone.


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I'm basically done tonight anyway. This has been a real drain.

If Mordo responds tomorrow, I may come back, I might not. This is just getting infuriating.


 
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The angel agreed to trade a set of white wings for the head of another demon. Overjoyed, the demon killed one of his own and plucked the head right off its still-warm body.

The angel then led the demon to heaven, where he underwent centuries of the cruelest tortures imaginable. Finally, the pain was so great that he lost consciousness - at which point his dark wings turned the promised shade of white.
am just gonna enjoy my games no matter the content


 
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am just gonna enjoy my games no matter the content
what if it's bad content

will you enjoy it then


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The angel agreed to trade a set of white wings for the head of another demon. Overjoyed, the demon killed one of his own and plucked the head right off its still-warm body.

The angel then led the demon to heaven, where he underwent centuries of the cruelest tortures imaginable. Finally, the pain was so great that he lost consciousness - at which point his dark wings turned the promised shade of white.
am just gonna enjoy my games no matter the content
what if it's bad content

will you enjoy it then
well thats when taste comes in


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His eyebrows sparkling, his white beard hangs down to his chest. The thatched mats, spread outside his chise, spread softly, his splendid attos. He polishes, cross-legged, his makiri, with his eyes completely absorbed.

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The god of Ainu Mosir, Ae-Oine Kamuy, descendant of Okiku-Rumi, He perishes, a living corpse. The summers day, the white sunlight, unabrushed, ends simply through his breath alone.
I'm basically done tonight anyway. This has been a real drain.

If Mordo responds tomorrow, I may come back, I might not. This is just getting infuriating.
FIGHT TO THE DEATH, DAMN YOU

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right now, I think i'd rather play dark souls, tbh


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Jill Valentine is another example of a female character not over sexualized (with Sheva too I guess, but she sucks). It's a shame she's part of a series that sunk faster than Titanic.
I mean yeah, if I thought really hard, I could probably think of a bunch, too. I love Makoto from Street Fighter, for example.

Mad Max: Fury Road was a feminist's dream.

Well, Anita didn't like it, but that's because she doesn't like violence (her overall shittiest opinion that I don't agree with at all).

You've just reminded me of when thy were all complaining when people cheered because Fallout and Doom - two games known for having excessive gore- had gore.

Eugh.


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It CREATES the human populace. It creates things to be killed and slaughtered and to endure pain and suffering.
Okay, so kowtowing your insipid philosophy for the sake of discussion, assuming that were the case, as was aforementioned, we already have contraceptive methods to impede the reproductive process. Thus the logical conclusion we can come to is that the sex itself is not immoral. It is immoral according to anti natalism to utilize sex as a means to reproduce, but you've yet to provide an answer as to why the act itself is inherently immoral.
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That's what the goal of sex is.
It WAS the goal, but for most people, here, in contemporary society right now, it's simply just a pleasurable act between two or more parties.
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To produce more fucking shitheads so that they can fucking die.
CRAWWWWLLLLLIIINNGGG IN MMYYYY SKKKIIIIINNN.

Can you even argue with rationality without injecting your edgy emotions into it?
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That's what sex is ALL about.
Biologically speaking, yes. Hedonistically it isn't, and I don't see how you could garner anything 'immoral' from that.
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Yes. Because you're engaging with me. Not that complicated.
So there really was nothing of value from making that statement then.
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Most people are FUCKING stupid. All you can do is argue from the majority.
And all you can do is argue with subjectivity.
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Sorry--that's fallacious and stupid.
You really are the pot today, aren't you?
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Which would work as an argument if you weren't making such an incredibly dehumanizing statement.
"I can't poke any holes in the logic so I'm just going to wave it off with buzzwords.'
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You're comparing women to natural resources and weather.
No, I'm illustrating how paramount context is in regards to words. Exploitation can be used to demonstrate practically anything. You would know this if you weren't attempting to strawman me left and right out of sheer desperation.
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Sorry. They're a lot more than that. You misogynist.
Yeah, you're really fucking desperate.
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No, it doesn't. That's like saying racism is dead because there are racist groups against every single race on the planet, so when you group them all together, you get every flavor of prejudice. No. Some commercials are sexist against men, some commercials are sexist against women. You cant group them up together and then say it's not sexist just because they are both concurrent. What a stupid fucking argument.
Well, sexism is the discriminatory practice favouring one gender over the other. Seeing as how both genders are liable to experience this, it isn't sexism. I thought you of all people would know this considering you nearly popped a blood vessel over the definition of the word a couple replies back.
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That that's sexist.
Are you determined to find sexism in literally everything or something?
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Herpity derp.
le epin internet phrase
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Why does it have to?
For it be considered objectively 'immoral' or intrinsically offensive, yeah, it kind of fucking has to.
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we already have contraceptive methods to impede the reproductive process. Thus the logical conclusion we can come to is that the sex itself is not immoral.
Strawman out of desperation.

Never made that claim. My argument is that it's stupid and offensive, objectively, to glorify something like sex.

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Can you even argue with rationality without injecting your edgy emotions into it?
I never did.

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No, I'm illustrating how paramount context is in regards to words. Exploitation can be used to demonstrate practically anything. You would know this if you weren't attempting to strawman me left and right out of sheer desperation.
Use of the word "desperation" out of desperation. You're really not as good at this as you think you are.

Trying to explain to a capitalist why exploitation is execrable is a lost cause, so I won't try.

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Well, sexism is the discriminatory practice favouring one gender over the other. Seeing as how both genders are liable to experience this, it isn't sexism.
That literally makes no sense whatsoever.

Some commercials favor one gender over the other

This is sexism.

It doesn't matter that both experience it. Two wrongs don't make a right.

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For it be considered objectively 'immoral' or intrinsically offensive, yeah, it kind of fucking has to.
But it doesn't.
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