Here's a video showing exactly why you're jumping to conclusions about a game for watching a speedrunner power through the first 3 minutes. (to 2:35)

You're trying to compare the nuance of the level using one guy who's hyper analyzing every nook and cranny in one game, from a complete beginner's point of view, with some other guy who's skipping half of the other one.

Egoraptor is praising the game communicating not to go left using walls, learning to jump over obstacles, letting the floor fall on him to show what's down below, and giving enemies a chance to throw attacks at him to see what they do.  The other guy isn't even giving anyone a change to see any of that, because he's just barreling through everything...because it's a speedrun. 

Would you have preferred the speedrunner walk into the boxes for 2 minutes and mash buttons, and wait for the enemies to attack him, so you could admire the subtlety of the tutorial?

You should give a fuckity shit.  One guy takes it slow and shows you everything, and the other skips everything, including chunks of the level, and doesn't show what the enemies even do.   Makes a difference...

One player makes the level look like it has a lot of depth to it and approaches everything like a normal person would, the other one makes it look like the level is just spamming jump and shoot to hit enemies before they even enter the frame, while walking around with a charge shot ready.  You know, the entire concept of "you make it look easy"?

Yes, I'd like you to tell me what MN9 colossally fails at in level 1 that MMX seems to do just so brilliantly.  Because both speedrunners skip the chunks of the level where the floor falls apart (except in MN9, where it's supposed to happen the second time): other than that, they're both just flat walkways with a pitfall here and there, where you run forward and shoot practically motionless enemies.

I bet those giant bees in MMX play differently when you don't unload 30 shots while sponging damage to get behind them at the same time, and skip the falling platform altogether.  I bet those enemies in MN9 aren't as mindlessly simple when you haven't clearly played the level at light speed a bunch of times and know exactly what to do. 

My god, Half Life 2 is such an overhyped shit game.  I mean, I've only ever watched a speedrunner play level 1 while looking backwards and jumping the whole time for the speed-boost, but man those levels are unintuitive.

Delayed til next year. hopefully to make it better lol

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2015/07/31/mighty-no.-9-will-not-release-in-2015.aspx

You should give a fuckity shit.  One guy takes it slow and shows you everything, and the other skips everything, including chunks of the level, and doesn't show what the enemies even do.   Makes a difference...

One player makes the level look like it has a lot of depth to it and approaches everything like a normal person would, the other one makes it look like the level is just spamming jump and shoot to hit enemies before they even enter the frame, while walking around with a charge shot ready.  You know, the entire concept of "you make it look easy"?

Or you could focus on the things that are actualy in the level, and not the player, like I keep fucking saying. Fuck.

Yes, I'd like you to tell me what MN9 colossally fails at in level 1 that MMX seems to do just so brilliantly.

1. Pointless dialogue at the very beginning.

No one cares. In an intro stage, dialogue should either be in the middle, towards the end, or at the very end. Not at the beginning. The game hasn't even welcomed me in yet--what makes them think I'm already gonna be invested in the game's story? It hasn't done anything to make me care about what's going on through the gameplay.

Sometimes, dialogue at the very beginning can set the mood. Maybe there's an important or cryptic underlying message being said that'll only start to make sense after your second playthrough. That's okay.

How does this game do it?

"Wow, the city is under attack! I wonder what happened! Beck, you need to head to this location, because if I didn't tell you that, you wouldn't have any idea!"

What was the point of that? The player really couldn't have inferred for himself that the city is under attack and that something needs to be done about it? You have to be told that? For fuck's sake.

2. Button tutorials.

It literally just tells you what the buttons do at the very beginning. "Press this to jump, press this to shoot."
Why not just let the player figure it out on his own?

I understand that when it comes to new mechanics that are introduced over the course of the game, it's sometimes necessary to drop little hints here and there, but when it comes to basic game functions, I don't understand why we need to be told about those.

It matters because it makes the game feel less like an experience in itself.

In Mega Man X, there's no dialogue. You walk to the right, and there's enemies right away, and you have to figure out for yourself how to deal with them.

Not to mention, the graphics suck and it doesn't feel nearly as fast-paced as it should. He walks slow and everything looks so floaty. It looks bad.

Focusing on what's in the level is a bit different when it's all being skipped, exploited, killed off-screen, or blown up in 2 frames.  My god.

MN9 is a digitially distributed game for several platforms, some with input devices with way more buttons than a SNES controller, and doesn't ship with a manual.  You're making a big deal out of nothing on that.

Pointless dialogue
the graphics suck
doesn't feel nearly as fast-paced as it should
He walks slow and everything looks so floaty

Thank you, legitimate criticisms.  All I was asking for.

Talk about complaining about nothing

Except it's not nothing?

Focusing on what's in the level is a bit different when it's all being skipped or exploited.  My god.

MN9 is a digitially distributed game for several platforms, some with input devices with way more buttons than a SNES controller, and doesn't ship with a manual.  You're making a big deal out of nothing on that.

The player should still be able to figure it out himself.

Quote from: Verbatim on August 01, 2015, 02:10:54 PM

Pointless dialogue
the graphics suck
doesn't feel nearly as fast-paced as it should
He walks slow and everything looks so floaty

Thank you, legitimate criticisms.  All I was asking for.

They should've been intuitively obvious to any casual viewing, even under a speedrun. And I barely even scraped the surface.

The dialogue boxes in the middle of the action are a huge distraction. You're trying to focus on killing these robots, and Dr. White is yammering on about bullshit down there. Very unnecessary.

It really is

So you think the game looks good.

I don't know how you came to that conclusion

I don't know how you came to that conclusion

I didn't, I edged to it.

Quote from: LemonLime on August 01, 2015, 03:51:17 PM

I don't know how you came to that conclusion

You wouldn't be defending it.

i'm not though
you don't have to like a game to tell someone they're complaining about such a non-issue

Praising a game for making players sit for a minute in front of some boxes to figure out the jump button is nitpicking.  Such an experience.

I'm still not going to judge the pacing of the entire game by its tutorial.  That's just ridiculous.

Quote from: LemonLime on August 01, 2015, 03:56:55 PM

you don't have to like a game to tell someone they're complaining about such a non-issue

newsflash

what you may consider "non-issues", someone else may consider BIG issues

maybe you're also overly concerned about the bad artstyle
i'm not

and those people are making a deal out of non-issues.

To a point, yeah