Hopefully this will cause people learn to stop funding video game projects and other stupid shit on crowd-funding websites.
Hopefully this will cause people learn to stop funding video game projects and other stupid shit on crowd-funding websites.Crowd-funding in general has become one the biggest tumors on the Internet, but at the same time, it's hard for me to sympathize with people who don't know how to make an intelligent, responsible investment.
Like with no big drama or the game just being abandoned
I know this is probably an overused comment on these things, but do any of these kickstarter / early access games ever get finished? Like with no big drama or the game just being abandoned
and I use a trackball.
Can someone summarise the video for me? I'm at work and I want to know what the issue is... I was looking forward to getting Yooka-Laylee.
People like you deserve death.
Hopefully this will cause people to learn to stop funding video game projects and other stupid shit on crowd-funding websites.Crowd-funding in general has become one the biggest tumors on the Internet, but at the same time, it's hard for me to sympathize with people who don't know how to make an intelligent, responsible investment.
people are investing in a project pitch, not paying for a finished product; crowdfunding in itself, I dont believe to be wrong, just ignorance on the matter and people thinking they should be treated like customers when they're essentially in a less secure role than one sole investor with a lot of money and better judgement on returnsi dont like how playtonic are dealing with the issue, but as far as this goes, theyre perfectly within reason for denying refunds on grounds that jontron was never part of the game they promised in the first place
It's more tedious to get your money back but not less secure if either Kickstarter or Devs don't offer a refund, they can just chargeback, which is ultimately what's going to happen if Playtonic doesn't cave in and be sensible. Quote from: Pepsi on March 24, 2017, 11:29:56 AMpeople are investing in a project pitch, not paying for a finished product; crowdfunding in itself, I dont believe to be wrong, just ignorance on the matter and people thinking they should be treated like customers when they're essentially in a less secure role than one sole investor with a lot of money and better judgement on returnsi dont like how playtonic are dealing with the issue, but as far as this goes, theyre perfectly within reason for denying refunds on grounds that jontron was never part of the game they promised in the first place
they pledged for the yooka-laylee in the project description, not the yooka-laylee with jontron as a featured VA
If they want a refund, they don't need to give a reason for demanding one. And chargebacks are done through their bank, which doesn't care about their reasoning for wanting a refund, the bank will always take the side of the account holder in order to prevent any precedents about the bank taking a "stance" even if it sours the relations between the account holder and the person losing the holder's money (in this case, Playtonic/Kickstarter). This ensures the bank's neutral status on any issue (especially if the amount is something tiny like a minimum backing for a video game). This is exactly what happened with Mighty No. 9; they denied refunds, got chargebacks, then started to offer them. Not offering a refund (and doing what they're doing in response to asking for one) is only shooting themselves in the foot. This is an incredibly shitty hill for Playtonic to die on because they have no foundation, even the argument of them not having to do so isn't going to save them. Quote from: Pepsi on March 24, 2017, 11:37:18 AMthey pledged for the yooka-laylee in the project description, not the yooka-laylee with jontron as a featured VA
i guess soyes, you can ask for a chargeback, but you're in the wrong - the slice of the pie that is taken by KS is made up by the creator, so if you pledge and chargeback, the creator loses the commission fee for using KS as well as the pledge moneykickstarter is not a store, you're not buying anything, there should be a clause for that
Quote from: prehistoric on March 24, 2017, 11:04:04 AMCan someone summarise the video for me? I'm at work and I want to know what the issue is... I was looking forward to getting Yooka-Laylee.Two(?) years ago, JonTron did a bit of voicework for the game as a fun little cameo--but after his recent debate with Destiny, where he said some questionably borderline racist things, Playtonic decided to remove his voice from the game in condemnation. Jon was disappointed, but still expressed his best wishes for the game's launch on Twitter.Some fans of the game are more upset about it than Jon is, though, and are demanding refunds--which they arguably have a right to, considering the game hasn't even been released yet--but Playtonic refuses. Drama ensues.
Morality and rights are separate issues.For instance, it's the developer's right to exercise discrimination in employment (unless they are discriminating against a protected minority), however it is immoral to levy repercussions on someone for exercising their own right to free speech on political and social ideas which advance and protect Western civilization, which are the most important areas of free speech.
Advancing and protecting Western Civilization is moral.Steps taken which would impede or oppose advancing and protecting Western Civilization are impeding or opposing that which is moral.Things that impede or oppose that which is moral are immoral.Levying repercussions on someone for exercising their own right to free speech on political and social ideas which advance and protect Western Civilization isimpeding or opposing that which is moral.Levying repercussions on someone for exercising their own right to free speech on political and social ideas which advance and protect Western Civilization is immoral.Very straightforward deduction.
Destiny said some retarded things himself, and JonTron is the bigger man between him and Playtonic, but no they are no longer bound by Kickstarter as the project is now "funded". It's in quotations because Playtonic will learn through chargebacks that they will be refunding people their money whether willingly or not.
The Yooka-Laylee Shitshow
