I always see talk about why pre-ordering games is bad and you should not do it. Its always contains reasons pertaining to bonuses, paying for a game that may suck, etc

But there is one reason, one totally legit reason that I never see discussed. And that is when you pre-order a game at like Best Buy or Gamestop; you now have the ability to pay off that game over time!

Instead of forking over $60 right then and there. You can put in a few at a time and it doesn't break the bank. Say what you want, but $60 is $60. And it would be great to not burn yourself all at once.

This is the ONLY reason why I think a pre-order is a viable option. 

That serves no difference than just gradually putting money into a savings account or a sock under your bed or something.

Actually, any reason I choose to preorder a game is legit as it's my money and I can spend it how I choose.

i mean, i wouldn't pay $60 for a video game in general

Or, you know, pre-loading is incredibly useful now that games can be 20-60Gb

The problem with pre-ordering isn't the money you're spending, it's the shit you're about to spend it on.

I don't even understand your point either, since I'm still down $60.

Quote from: Sprungli on April 17, 2015, 06:37:43 PM

Or, you know, pre-loading is incredibly useful now that games can be 20-60Gb

Doesn't justify contributing to the poor state of the industry.

I'm not, i'm supporting a fantastic dev team, a dev team that I want to see succeed and do well in their way. I don't pre-order much, only when I trust the developer fully, I would never even consider pre-ordering a Battlefield, CoD, Fifa or anything along those lines.

The last game I preordered was Halo 4's Limited Edition. I learned the burdens of preordering the hard way.

Quote from: Sprungli on April 17, 2015, 06:50:56 PM

Quote from: Lemön | Dank Lememe on April 17, 2015, 06:41:24 PM

Quote from: Sprungli on April 17, 2015, 06:37:43 PM

Or, you know, pre-loading is incredibly useful now that games can be 20-60Gb

Doesn't justify contributing to the poor state of the industry.

I'm not, i'm supporting a fantastic dev team, a dev team that I want to see succeed and do well in their way. I don't pre-order much, only when I trust the developer fully, I would never even consider pre-ordering a Battlefield, CoD, Fifa or anything along those lines.

Trust means jack shit, and again, doesn't justify contributing to the poor state of the industry.
All you're doing is giving developers money for nothing fo weeks/months in advance. It also shows the rest of the industry that people are willing to fork over money for nothing.

Pre-ordering hurts the industry. There's no justification.

Not buying games hurts the industry. The games industry is worsening as pre-orders fall, that does not reflect what you are saying. What it reflects is people are rightfully losing faith because companies are screwing people over.

Pre-ordering isn't the problem, the problem is simply that gaming has moved from something secular and strange to most to the biggest and most profitable form of entertainment on the planet, it's not devs making games for the true players anymore, it's companies and board members releasing games to make a shit-ton of cash off casual gamers.

Unfortunately it's called reality, it's what happens to every industry. Pre-ordering is just a way to get what you want quicker.

Quote from: Sprungli on April 17, 2015, 07:24:30 PM

Not buying games hurts the industry.

Not once did I say don't buy the game(s), I said pre-ordering only hurts the industry.

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The games industry is worsening as pre-orders fall, that does not reflect what you are saying. What it reflects is people are rightfully losing faith because companies are screwing people over.

Game sales falling because people are losing faith is a direct result of pre-ordering.

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Pre-ordering isn't the problem, the problem is simply that gaming has moved from something secular and strange to most to the biggest and most profitable form of entertainment on the planet, it's not devs making games for the true players anymore, it's companies and board members releasing games to make a shit-ton of cash off casual gamers.

I know pre-ordering in itself isn't inherently the problem. It's what the companies are doing because of people pre-ordering (bullshit pre-order "bonuses", day one DLC etc etc) that's the problem.
Therefore pre-ordering is bad.

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Pre-ordering is just a way to get what you want quicker.

That's still not a justification.
Adding to the shit just to get your hands on a game a few hours early isn't a worthwhile trade-off. All you're doing is hurting yourself by hurting the industry.

And you think that trying to get an extreme minority of people to not pre-order will help? It's the 99%, the people that don't care or understand. Not the 1% that pre-order only in specific cases, on rare occasions.

Pre-ordering supports devs outside of the major ones. If you have an issue with the concept of paying for nothing then how about you stop and consider microtransactions and too much dlc? Season passes are the worst offenders, essentially pre-ordering content that should be free or already included-that's ridiculous and has a far, far greater impact than pre-ordering a game just to take advantage of a price cut and pre-loading.

Or you can simply just save up the money instead of putting it down...There is no difference.

And you think that trying to get an extreme minority of people to not pre-order will help? It's the 99%, the people that don't care or understand. Not the 1% that pre-order only in specific cases, on rare occasions.

>bandwagon effect
Just because so many people do it doesn't make it acceptable.

Pre-ordering supports devs outside of the major ones.

You know what else supports Devs? Buying their game when it releas.

If you have an issue with the concept of paying for nothing then how about you stop and consider microtransactions and too much dlc? Season passes are the worst offenders, essentially pre-ordering content that should be free or already included-that's ridiculous and has a far, far greater impact than pre-ordering a game just to take advantage of a price cut and pre-loading.

I already acknowledge that thosee things are hurting the industry too.
These don't detract from the problem that pre-ordering causes and aren't the discussion at hand.

The only reason you have a problem with it is because of the sheer number of people doing it.

No, actually.
My problem with pre-ordering is the bullshit it now contributes to, not pre-ordering itself.
If ir didn't harm the industry then I wouldn't give a fuck.

So if you want me to disregard the fact that many people do it, that's fine because that only strengthens my point.

Umm, it doesn't though.

you'd think someone who is so vehemently opposed to pre-ordering would also be opposed to using adblock

because adblock users kill the internet

Except with adblock it improves the internet because it makes using it a lot easier due to connections being faster and it makes it safer due to virus containing ads not popping up or showing. If you want to support a site or someone on YouTube then you could simply disable adblock for that site and on YouTube. It's under your control if you want to block site after site.

Quote from: Lemön | Dank Lememe on April 18, 2015, 04:42:38 AM

Quote from: Sprungli on April 18, 2015, 04:37:11 AM

The only reason you have a problem with it is because of the sheer number of people doing it.

No, actually.
My problem with pre-ordering is the bullshit it now contributes to, not pre-ordering itself.
If ir didn't harm the industry then I wouldn't give a fuck.

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So if you want me to disregard the fact that many people do it, that's fine because that only strengthens my point.

Umm, it doesn't though.

But it doesn't contribute. It's a consequence rather than a cause

Even if that was true, it still doesn't justify pre-ordering, at all.

There's literally no good reason to pre-order games.