I have a question about Talltale Games, Heavy Rain, MGS 4 and The Order 1886.

Mattie G Indahouse · March 20, 2015, 06:27:13 PM

So why is Heavy Rain, MGS 4 and 1886 getting shit for the length of the cutscenes compared to the gameplay which people are calling them "movies". But Talltale Games are being praised or liked for their games when they are the exact same concept? What makes it OK for Talltale Games to make "movie" games but the others are being criticized and condemned for being "movie" games?

big dog · March 20, 2015, 06:29:16 PM

Telltale games are self-aware, unlike Quantic Dream games.

big sponge · March 20, 2015, 06:30:42 PM

Telltale doesn't sell their games for $60 and is upfront about the kind of games they make.

That and the story telling is typically good.

Girl of Mystery · March 20, 2015, 06:50:37 PM

Because they're not hiding what their games are; they know their audience and what they want. Plus they're reasonably priced and aren't made by fucking David Cage.

And how is MGSV a "movie"?

big dog · March 20, 2015, 06:51:42 PM

despite all my rage im just david cage

Mattie G Indahouse · March 20, 2015, 07:34:57 PM

Quote from: BritishLemön on March 20, 2015, 06:50:37 PM

And how is MGSV a "movie"?

I hit 5 instead of 4.

Tyger · March 20, 2015, 07:53:18 PM

The order was advertised as a 3rd person shooter action game

Not a movie with some quick time events and shitty combat sections

Telltale games are advertised at point and click games and priced as such

That's why it's okay imo. I joke around at them being movie games but I think what they're doing is fine.

Naoto · March 20, 2015, 08:02:01 PM

Comet posted a link to a video that explains this pretty well, but I'm on mobile and can't dig it up.

UnwornUniform · March 21, 2015, 09:56:44 AM

Well David Cage is David Cage. But like everyone else said. Telltale's shtick is they make point and click games.

Doctor Doom · March 21, 2015, 02:18:20 PM

MGS4's cutscenes are derided for the complexity and length of exposition they're trying to jam into what's supposed to be the resting point between levels, and the fact that it's mandatory to have played the previous few games to even begin to understand what's happening. They're trying to do too much too slowly, and it's difficult to care about what's happening when you don't really know what's going on and just want to get back to shooting stuff. MGS has always offered both story and gameplay, and while there's plenty of gameplay it's clear Kojima just wanted to wrap up every loose plot thread in one fell swoop.

Telltale's games, however, are more interactive movies than actual games. They've never offered actual 'gameplay', and that's never been the selling point. The story itself is what you're there for. That's why they're lauded for doing, essentially, the same thing: because there was never any illusion of doing anything else.

big dog · March 21, 2015, 05:17:00 PM

when you think about it david cage and based love are the same person

david cage collected literally every photo of ellen page that had ever been taken of her into a photo album and showed it to her when they first met

Girl of Mystery · March 21, 2015, 06:24:49 PM

Quote from: Big Ass Fedorekd on March 21, 2015, 05:17:00 PM

when you think about it david cage and based love are the same person

david cage collected literally every photo of ellen page that had ever been taken of her into a photo album and showed it to her when they first met

Umm... why?

big dog · March 21, 2015, 06:26:51 PM

Quote from: BritishLemön on March 21, 2015, 06:24:49 PM

Quote from: Big Ass Fedorekd on March 21, 2015, 05:17:00 PM
when you think about it david cage and based love are the same person

david cage collected literally every photo of ellen page that had ever been taken of her into a photo album and showed it to her when they first met
Umm... why?

I think he saw one photo of ellen page with her hair shaved off and that compelled him to make a game around it.

big dog · March 21, 2015, 06:27:09 PM

basically beyond: two souls is a game adapation of based love's wankbank

Girl of Mystery · March 21, 2015, 06:31:19 PM

Quote from: Big Ass Fedorekd on March 21, 2015, 06:26:51 PM

Quote from: BritishLemön on March 21, 2015, 06:24:49 PM
Quote from: Big Ass Fedorekd on March 21, 2015, 05:17:00 PM
when you think about it david cage and based love are the same person

david cage collected literally every photo of ellen page that had ever been taken of her into a photo album and showed it to her when they first met
Umm... why?
I think he saw one photo of ellen page with her hair shaved off and that compelled him to make a game around it.

I'd love to know what the fuck Fahrenheit was based around then

Comet · March 21, 2015, 07:10:54 PM

Quote from: Naoto on March 20, 2015, 08:02:01 PM

Comet posted a link to a video that explains this pretty well, but I'm on mobile and can't dig it up.

that was more about game length and replay ability, not necessarily "game movies".

Naoto · March 21, 2015, 07:19:44 PM

Quote from: Comet on March 21, 2015, 07:10:54 PM

Quote from: Naoto on March 20, 2015, 08:02:01 PM
Comet posted a link to a video that explains this pretty well, but I'm on mobile and can't dig it up.
that was more about game length and replay ability, not necessarily "game movies".

Same logic really, and explains other aspects/reasons some games get a pass while others don't.

Comet · March 21, 2015, 07:21:51 PM

Quote from: Naoto on March 21, 2015, 07:19:44 PM

Quote from: Comet on March 21, 2015, 07:10:54 PM
Quote from: Naoto on March 20, 2015, 08:02:01 PM
Comet posted a link to a video that explains this pretty well, but I'm on mobile and can't dig it up.
that was more about game length and replay ability, not necessarily "game movies".
Same logic really, and explains other aspects/reasons some games get a pass while others don't.

hmm. true enough. ive never played Heavy Rain, MGS4 or 1886 so...
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