Stupid irrelevant shit about games that people always have an opinion on

aMetroid · May 18, 2016, 08:04:35 PM

Quote from: ROCKETMAN IS A FURRY on May 18, 2016, 07:54:20 PM

Dick measuring contests on skill ceilings/the amount of skill required to be 'average' at a specific game tbh

That made zero sense, could you elaborate.

Zonda · May 18, 2016, 08:13:21 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on May 18, 2016, 07:56:20 PM

could you expand on that

On b.net, there's occasionally a 'what game takes the most skill?' poll, and there is generally a lot of salty replies over people not thinking their favourite game takes the most skill. It doesn't happen often but I still think it's a bit dumb to be rating games based solely on skill, when a majority of the people in those threads wouldn't give two shits about the top level competitive metagame under any other circumstances.

Kiwicake · May 18, 2016, 08:22:17 PM

Quote from: SecondClass on May 18, 2016, 07:03:57 PM

the art style

The art style should fit the kind of game it is, in all honesty

It can be pretty jarring

Verbatim · May 18, 2016, 08:23:34 PM

Quote from: SecondClass on May 18, 2016, 07:03:57 PM

the art style

also this is wrong

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Azure · May 18, 2016, 09:11:38 PM

Quote from: Luciana on May 18, 2016, 07:51:03 PM

A game being popular = meaning it's good

this and the opposite

Jono · May 18, 2016, 09:39:28 PM

Quote from: Azumarill on May 18, 2016, 06:57:45 PM

Quote from: Jono on May 17, 2016, 10:17:57 PM
When people say that zero-bloom Reach takes skill.
LOL

You can defend it all you want but it takes 0 skill when you got the Designated Spam Rifle and rapid fire no recoil Magnum

Azumarill · May 18, 2016, 09:47:11 PM

Quote from: Jono on May 18, 2016, 09:39:28 PM

Quote from: Azumarill on May 18, 2016, 06:57:45 PM
Quote from: Jono on May 17, 2016, 10:17:57 PM
When people say that zero-bloom Reach takes skill.
LOL
You can defend it all you want but it takes 0 skill when you got the Designated Spam Rifle and rapid fire no recoil Magnum

you dont have an actual argument about why it takes no skill though. call it a spam rifle all you want but the reality is that it punished bad players for being inaccurate. the faster you shot and the more accurate you were the better you were. it rewarded mechanical skill. the default version actively punished people for performing well with the weapon and introduced an element of RNG to gunfights that should have been based on individual skill. ZBNS had a much, much higher skillcap than vanilla.

🍁 Aria 🔮 · May 18, 2016, 11:12:37 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on May 18, 2016, 07:56:20 PM

Quote from: ROCKETMAN IS A FURRY on May 18, 2016, 07:54:20 PM
Dick measuring contests on skill ceilings/the amount of skill required to be 'average' at a specific game tbh
could you expand on that

"Super Smash Bros is the most hardcore fighting game of all time, I bet you aren't even FGC material scrub your shootan games are low skill trash"

Like dude I just want to be green Mario

Pippen · May 18, 2016, 11:18:36 PM

Quote from: Luciana on May 18, 2016, 07:51:03 PM

A game being popular = meaning it's good

hue

>Destiny

Big Boss · May 18, 2016, 11:25:45 PM

'It's not as good as the originals'
'Nothing compares to the originals'
'All the new ones are bad and suck'
'They've officially run out of ideas'
'Kids today will never....'

I'll give you one fucking guess what franchise I'm on about.

Zonda · May 18, 2016, 11:36:04 PM

Quote from: Big Boss on May 18, 2016, 11:25:45 PM

'It's not as good as the originals'
'Nothing compares to the originals'
'All the new ones are bad and suck'
'They've officially run out of ideas'
'Kids today will never....'

I'll give you one fucking guess what franchise I'm on about.

Killer Instinct yeah?

Big Boss · May 18, 2016, 11:37:16 PM

Quote from: Zonda on May 18, 2016, 11:36:04 PM

Quote from: Big Boss on May 18, 2016, 11:25:45 PM
'It's not as good as the originals'
'Nothing compares to the originals'
'All the new ones are bad and suck'
'They've officially run out of ideas'
'Kids today will never....'

I'll give you one fucking guess what franchise I'm on about.
Killer Instinct yeah?

YE

🍁 Aria 🔮 · May 18, 2016, 11:56:28 PM

Quote from: Big Boss on May 18, 2016, 11:37:16 PM

Quote from: Zonda on May 18, 2016, 11:36:04 PM
Quote from: Big Boss on May 18, 2016, 11:25:45 PM
'It's not as good as the originals'
'Nothing compares to the originals'
'All the new ones are bad and suck'
'They've officially run out of ideas'
'Kids today will never....'

I'll give you one fucking guess what franchise I'm on about.
Killer Instinct yeah?

YE

I feel like D44M and Final Fantasy have the same sort of stigma, but the latter's because VII is one of the most overrated games of all time.

Elai · May 19, 2016, 12:10:59 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on May 18, 2016, 06:52:43 PM

Disagree. If you're playing on "crushing" difficulty, expect to get crushed. That's kinda the idea.

Either get better, or lower the difficulty

Well, I also take issue with the concept of varying difficulty levels, too. There's always one difficulty level the game was designed to be played on -- so fucking play it on that. Unless each level is hand-crafted to actually be more or less challenging with genuine, tangible differences, I just think it's lazy. Making enemies do more damage, have higher accuracy, higher awareness, or take more hits before dying doesn't actually improve the game in any meaningful way.

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--or play a game you actually like, for that matter.

I was only using Uncharted as a reference. See below.

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If playing at higher difficulties isn't fun for you, then just don't bother. That's precisely why there are difficulty options in the first place. I just hate this notion that games need to be made easier for people who suck, when, no, they shouldn't.

I'm not against hard games, or, making games harder. The Last of Us is a million times more fun to play on Grounded because

1) there is no cheap, see-through-walls button
2) resources are painfully scarce, making item management and scavenging an integral part of the game
3) because resources are so minimal, and it takes so much effort to acquire the small amounts you do have, head-on combat is subtely discouraged by the game in favour of extensively-planned and perfectly-executed stealth gameplay that, if you fuck up, the game will punish you for. It's painful but rewarding in the best possible way.

All of these things are important to the overall experience and lend an almost inexplicable feeling to the game that, on top of it's incredible narrative, really bring it all together. That's how you do difficulty.

But see, the game should be played on Grounded to begin with -- that should be the only option available, because it is undoubtedly the best way to play the game.

I don't criticise Uncharted for it's difficulty -- I criticise it for how it becomes more difficult: with bullshit and laziness.

Games shouldn't be made to be "easier" or "harder" for anyone -- they should reflect the desires of the creator, and what she envisioned. I assume we're on the same page with that one.

big dog · May 19, 2016, 01:07:20 AM

"X is overrated and I know that even if I've barely played it/People only like X because of nostalgia."

🍁 Aria 🔮 · May 19, 2016, 01:09:26 AM

Quote from: Fedorekd on May 19, 2016, 01:07:20 AM

"X is overrated and I know that even if I've barely played it/People only like X because of nostalgia."

What is MGS3?

Luciana · May 19, 2016, 01:45:28 AM

"Why do you play sports games, just play it IRL."

I could go on about why this is retarded.

Verbatim · May 19, 2016, 01:46:50 AM

Quote from: Luciana on May 19, 2016, 01:45:28 AM

"Why do you play sports games, just play it IRL."

I could go on about why this is retarded.

yeah but why though

Luciana · May 19, 2016, 01:49:26 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on May 19, 2016, 01:46:50 AM

Quote from: Luciana on May 19, 2016, 01:45:28 AM
"Why do you play sports games, just play it IRL."

I could go on about why this is retarded.
yeah but why though

Mainly because it's not just the base gameplay I'm in it for.

I can't go play in front of 60,000 people on a whim, and take control of an organization and hire/fire/train players.

People who say this to me, ironically play racing games, to which I just say "Why not just go drive irl :^)?"

I understand the gripes with sports games, especially since I hate almost all of them, but that is just a silly reason.

Verbatim · May 19, 2016, 01:50:40 AM

i'm just joshing, you've lectured me about this in detail before

still bad games though

Luciana · May 19, 2016, 01:53:20 AM

Oh yeah, you're right.

And yeah, I really only like FIFA. I used to play other ones but, meh.

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Big Boss · May 19, 2016, 07:47:24 AM

Quote from: Prime Kruphix on May 18, 2016, 11:56:28 PM

Quote from: Big Boss on May 18, 2016, 11:37:16 PM
Quote from: Zonda on May 18, 2016, 11:36:04 PM
Quote from: Big Boss on May 18, 2016, 11:25:45 PM
'It's not as good as the originals'
'Nothing compares to the originals'
'All the new ones are bad and suck'
'They've officially run out of ideas'
'Kids today will never....'

I'll give you one fucking guess what franchise I'm on about.
Killer Instinct yeah?

YE
I feel like D44M and Final Fantasy have the same sort of stigma, but the latter's because VII is one of the most overrated games of all time.

I tried VII and didn't like it. Went back to X

Winy · May 19, 2016, 10:15:34 AM

I don't understand why you think graphics don't matter. Games are often, if not always, meant to have some artistic input, and the integration of very realistic-looking environments or models can make a game experience much more immersive. Games like Red Dead Redemption thrive off of the aesthetic appeal of the environments, and I can certainly say that the experience wouldn't be nearly as great if the game looked like trash.

🍁 Aria 🔮 · May 19, 2016, 10:50:53 AM

Quote from: Big Boss on May 19, 2016, 07:47:24 AM

Quote from: Prime Kruphix on May 18, 2016, 11:56:28 PM
Quote from: Big Boss on May 18, 2016, 11:37:16 PM
Quote from: Zonda on May 18, 2016, 11:36:04 PM
Quote from: Big Boss on May 18, 2016, 11:25:45 PM
'It's not as good as the originals'
'Nothing compares to the originals'
'All the new ones are bad and suck'
'They've officially run out of ideas'
'Kids today will never....'

I'll give you one fucking guess what franchise I'm on about.
Killer Instinct yeah?

YE
I feel like D44M and Final Fantasy have the same sort of stigma, but the latter's because VII is one of the most overrated games of all time.

I tried VII and didn't like it. Went back to X

VII is a good game. Incredibly dated, but good. Best RPG of all time? Nah.

Verbatim · May 19, 2016, 11:45:02 AM

Quote from: Winy on May 19, 2016, 10:15:34 AM

I don't understand why you think graphics don't matter. Games are often, if not always, meant to have some artistic input, and the integration of very realistic-looking environments or models can make a game experience much more immersive. Games like Red Dead Redemption thrive off of the aesthetic appeal of the environments, and I can certainly say that the experience wouldn't be nearly as great if the game looked like trash.

Because you absolutely do not need realistic graphics to have immersion. In fact, it's LESS immersive, because the more realistic something is, the more attune your brain is to finding every little imperfection--whereas in a more stylized game, you can naturally accept anything that you see, and be immersed.

You can praise a game for looking good. You can decry a game for looking ugly.

But whether a game looks good or bad has little to do with the number of polygons that are rendered.

Flee · May 19, 2016, 11:48:41 AM

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Verbatim · May 19, 2016, 11:49:44 AM

Quote from: Flee on May 19, 2016, 11:48:41 AM

Quote from: Zonda on May 18, 2016, 08:13:21 PM
Quote from: Verbatim on May 18, 2016, 07:56:20 PM
could you expand on that
On b.net, there's occasionally a 'what game takes the most skill?' poll, and there is generally a lot of salty replies over people not thinking their favourite game takes the most skill. It doesn't happen often but I still think it's a bit dumb to be rating games based solely on skill, when a majority of the people in those threads wouldn't give two shits about the top level competitive metagame under any other circumstances.
Everybody already knows that Quake is the best anyways.

i've always liked quake solely on the basis that trent reznor made the soundtrack (for the first one, anyway), but i've always wondered if you've ever actually tried your hand at any other competitive shooter

Winy · May 19, 2016, 11:59:41 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on May 19, 2016, 11:45:02 AM

Quote from: Winy on May 19, 2016, 10:15:34 AM
I don't understand why you think graphics don't matter. Games are often, if not always, meant to have some artistic input, and the integration of very realistic-looking environments or models can make a game experience much more immersive. Games like Red Dead Redemption thrive off of the aesthetic appeal of the environments, and I can certainly say that the experience wouldn't be nearly as great if the game looked like trash.
Because you absolutely do not need realistic graphics to have immersion. In fact, it's LESS immersive, because the more realistic something is, the more attune your brain is to finding every little imperfection--whereas in a more stylized game, you can naturally accept anything that you see, and be immersed.

There's a difference between a game that's been stylized and a game that just doesn't look good. Gaming is a partially cinematic experience, because a lot of how a player processes what's going on around them is determined by the appearance of what they're interacting with. Absorbing the atmosphere created by the scenic parts of Red Dead (I'm going to keep using it as an example) isn't possible without the actual art being showcased- I wouldn't be able to admire the views as much if they had poor graphics, and that isn't a matter of style. Games that strive to look realistic should be criticized if they don't pull it off. Appearance does make a difference, and can give a game a completely different flavor depending on how art is represented.

I would much rather look at this:

Than this: