Quote from: Verbatim on April 27, 2017, 09:05:49 PM

Sometimes, a 970 is better than a 1070. It doesn't matter if it costs more.

Really? How?

Depending on the project, you might want to use something underpowered for the sake of authenticity. You could have a game set in a certain time period where a 1070 didn't exist, so to reflect that, an artist may choose a 970 instead.

Auteur filmmakers do this sort of thing ALL the time.

Cool

The 1070 is still a better piece of hardware

Not for that project, or any other project where that's not the case. I can think of any number of examples.

You can try to come up with all sorts of outlandish and obscure examples but that fact remains a 1070 is better than a 970.

You can make a game that looks like shit and play it on a 1070. It'll run better and have less issues, but it'll still look like shit if that's the artistic style.

Or do you enjoy your PC not being able work fast? Do you buy 20 year old computers because it's more authentic to use internet explorer on windows 95?

Super Smash Bros. Melee is one of my favorite games of all time, and one of my life goals is to learn how to play it competitively.


Since the game is so old, though, the most optimal way to play it competitively is to use a CRT rather than a newer HD TV. This is because the game wasn't made for HD, and as a result, if you try to play any older game on one, you're going to experience some input lag, among other issues--making the CRT better than the HD TV in these cases.

Old technology can be better than new technology.

That's because the game was made with inferior technology. If it was remade in HD it'd be gravy.

Unfortunately HD remakes are ruined because they change the art style for some reason every time. If they didn't, and just formatted it to play on modern shit, that's it. It'd be better.

in this specific case, it would streamline the process of getting into the game, so yeah, it would be better in this case

not in all cases though :^)

Quote from: Verbatim on April 28, 2017, 10:16:43 AM

Quote from: challengerX on April 28, 2017, 10:14:54 AM

That's because the game was made with inferior technology. If it was remade in HD it'd be gravy.

Unfortunately HD remakes are ruined because they change the art style for some reason every time. If they didn't, and just formatted it to play on modern shit, that's it. It'd be better.

in this specific case, it would streamline the process of getting into the game, so yeah, it would be better in this case

not in all cases though :^)

in every case because new technology is better than old technology <|;^)

except if you used an HD TV for older games you'd get loads of input lag as i just described ^w^

Quote from: Verbatim on April 28, 2017, 10:33:47 AM

Quote from: challengerX on April 28, 2017, 10:18:53 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on April 28, 2017, 10:16:43 AM

Quote from: challengerX on April 28, 2017, 10:14:54 AM

That's because the game was made with inferior technology. If it was remade in HD it'd be gravy.

Unfortunately HD remakes are ruined because they change the art style for some reason every time. If they didn't, and just formatted it to play on modern shit, that's it. It'd be better.

in this specific case, it would streamline the process of getting into the game, so yeah, it would be better in this case

not in all cases though :^)

in every case because new technology is better than old technology <|;^)

except if you used an HD TV for older games you'd get loads of input lag as i just described ^w^

that's why they remake games in HD :3

but they aren't always available, so for the time being, old technology remains the better option O.o

Quote from: Verbatim on April 28, 2017, 10:37:44 AM

Quote from: challengerX on April 28, 2017, 10:35:40 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on April 28, 2017, 10:33:47 AM

Quote from: challengerX on April 28, 2017, 10:18:53 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on April 28, 2017, 10:16:43 AM

Quote from: challengerX on April 28, 2017, 10:14:54 AM

That's because the game was made with inferior technology. If it was remade in HD it'd be gravy.

Unfortunately HD remakes are ruined because they change the art style for some reason every time. If they didn't, and just formatted it to play on modern shit, that's it. It'd be better.

in this specific case, it would streamline the process of getting into the game, so yeah, it would be better in this case

not in all cases though :^)

in every case because new technology is better than old technology <|;^)

except if you used an HD TV for older games you'd get loads of input lag as i just described ^w^

that's why they remake games in HD :3

but they aren't always available, so for the time being, old technology remains the better option O.o

that has nothing to with an HD remake being better when it's done right >.>

but it can't be better if it doesn't even exist .-.

Quote from: Verbatim on April 28, 2017, 10:10:19 AM

Quote from: challengerX on April 28, 2017, 10:00:08 AM

You can try to come up with all sorts of outlandish and obscure examples but that fact remains a 1070 is better than a 970.

You can make a game that looks like shit and play it on a 1070. It'll run better and have less issues, but it'll still look like shit if that's the artistic style.

Or do you enjoy your PC not being able work fast? Do you buy 20 year old computers because it's more authentic to use internet explorer on windows 95?

Super Smash Bros. Melee is one of my favorite games of all time, and one of my life goals is to learn how to play it competitively.

YouTube

Since the game is so old, though, the most optimal way to play it competitively is to use a CRT rather than a newer HD TV. This is because the game wasn't made for HD, and as a result, if you try to play any older game on one, you're going to experience some input lag, among other issues--making the CRT better than the HD TV in these cases.

Old technology can be better than new technology.

That's because the game was made with inferior technology. If it was remade in HD it'd be gravy.

Unfortunately HD remakes are ruined because they change the art style for some reason every time. If they didn't, and just formatted it to play on modern shit, that's it. It'd be better.

actually crt has lower input response times than any modern TV
thats why some quake players still prefer crt monitors

that's why they remake games in HD :3

this doesnt change the fact the hardware controller inside the HDTV will always have more input lag than a crt display

it doesnt improve the delay of the characteristic that hardware has behind it

some more PC monitors come pretty close now but otherwise having a HD remake has nothing to do with input lag unless their implementation of vsync was hilariously terrible back then

there are also crt monitors that are higher than full hd even

Quote from: Pepsi on April 28, 2017, 12:01:34 PM

Quote from: challengerX on April 28, 2017, 10:14:54 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on April 28, 2017, 10:10:19 AM

Quote from: challengerX on April 28, 2017, 10:00:08 AM

You can try to come up with all sorts of outlandish and obscure examples but that fact remains a 1070 is better than a 970.

You can make a game that looks like shit and play it on a 1070. It'll run better and have less issues, but it'll still look like shit if that's the artistic style.

Or do you enjoy your PC not being able work fast? Do you buy 20 year old computers because it's more authentic to use internet explorer on windows 95?

Super Smash Bros. Melee is one of my favorite games of all time, and one of my life goals is to learn how to play it competitively.

YouTube

Since the game is so old, though, the most optimal way to play it competitively is to use a CRT rather than a newer HD TV. This is because the game wasn't made for HD, and as a result, if you try to play any older game on one, you're going to experience some input lag, among other issues--making the CRT better than the HD TV in these cases.

Old technology can be better than new technology.

That's because the game was made with inferior technology. If it was remade in HD it'd be gravy.

Unfortunately HD remakes are ruined because they change the art style for some reason every time. If they didn't, and just formatted it to play on modern shit, that's it. It'd be better.

actually crt has lower input response times than any modern TV
thats why some quake players still prefer crt monitors

why the fuck would they not get a 144hz monitor?!!!!

WHAT

refresh rate and response time are different things

it's also cheaper to get a crt than it is to get a low response time high refresh rate lcd

Quote from: challengerX on April 28, 2017, 07:50:29 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on April 27, 2017, 09:05:49 PM

Sometimes, a 970 is better than a 1070. It doesn't matter if it costs more.

Really? How?

Depending on the project, you might want to use something underpowered for the sake of authenticity. You could have a game set in a certain time period where a 1070 didn't exist, so to reflect that, an artist may choose a 970 instead.

Auteur filmmakers do this sort of thing ALL the time.

for a film where youre picking a camera or the kind of film stock you want to use, sure, even modern varieties of cameras these days have different characteristics where one would pick one over another but in 3d applications such as games where the same code can perform differently if you played through the same bit 50 times, nobody would be able to tell if something was running on a 8600gt or intel HD5000 integrated graphics, likewise nobody would be able to tell if something was running on a 970 or 1070  or rx380 or SLI 760s if it was any game over 2-3 years old - the game is the code and developers will strive to achieve maximum performance for the smoothest experience in their software, they won't make that choice, at most they'll need the parts if they want to fix any bugs associated with that particular piece of hardware

otherwise there is no analogue differences or quirks this hardware would have that would see any difference whatsoever for the sake of "authenticity" of hardware in this case, because the next card is literally almost always a linearly better, more performant version of it's predecessor, as opposed to even digital cameras where some sensors handle the image processing differently or have specific lenses only available for that model. an easy way to put it is that any newere GPU counterpart to its predecessor is always an upgrade, whereas filmmaking equipment that has a lot of characteristics that could affect the picture are sidegrades; a GPU has none of these

in any case, im pretty sure there is no development studio in the world that would pick worse hardware over better hardware if given the choice, it raises the ceiling of power they can use for software development, and if they truly wanted to make their game run worse, they could easily just write shitty code, or just put an fps cap option in their game that lets you type any number you want

Quote from: FatherlyNick on April 28, 2017, 12:34:50 PM

Quote from: Pepsi on April 28, 2017, 12:20:18 PM

Quote from: FatherlyNick on April 28, 2017, 12:16:06 PM

Quote from: Pepsi on April 28, 2017, 12:01:34 PM

Quote from: challengerX on April 28, 2017, 10:14:54 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on April 28, 2017, 10:10:19 AM

Quote from: challengerX on April 28, 2017, 10:00:08 AM

You can try to come up with all sorts of outlandish and obscure examples but that fact remains a 1070 is better than a 970.

You can make a game that looks like shit and play it on a 1070. It'll run better and have less issues, but it'll still look like shit if that's the artistic style.

Or do you enjoy your PC not being able work fast? Do you buy 20 year old computers because it's more authentic to use internet explorer on windows 95?

Super Smash Bros. Melee is one of my favorite games of all time, and one of my life goals is to learn how to play it competitively.

YouTube

Since the game is so old, though, the most optimal way to play it competitively is to use a CRT rather than a newer HD TV. This is because the game wasn't made for HD, and as a result, if you try to play any older game on one, you're going to experience some input lag, among other issues--making the CRT better than the HD TV in these cases.

Old technology can be better than new technology.

That's because the game was made with inferior technology. If it was remade in HD it'd be gravy.

Unfortunately HD remakes are ruined because they change the art style for some reason every time. If they didn't, and just formatted it to play on modern shit, that's it. It'd be better.

actually crt has lower input response times than any modern TV
thats why some quake players still prefer crt monitors

why the fuck would they not get a 144hz monitor?!!!!

WHAT

refresh rate and response time are different things

it's also cheaper to get a crt than it is to get a low response time high refresh rate lcd

So you are exchanging 2ms for eyestrain and horrible refresh rate?

hey, im not the one you have to argue with, i have a 2560x1080 ultrawide 5hz monitor

ask the people that actually say they need this for competitive gameplay

the fact is there is a difference in refresh rate and the kind of people who say they need it will use it

the refresh rate isnt really that horrible, 60hz is still what most lcd monitors are at right now

Flee is probably in the matrix itself, to get as less lag as possible,

It'll run better and have less issues

Maybe I don't want it to run better or have less issues for some reason.

And no, you really do suck at communicating anything.

Quote from: FatherlyNick on April 28, 2017, 12:34:50 PM

Quote from: Pepsi on April 28, 2017, 12:20:18 PM

Quote from: FatherlyNick on April 28, 2017, 12:16:06 PM

Quote from: Pepsi on April 28, 2017, 12:01:34 PM

Quote from: challengerX on April 28, 2017, 10:14:54 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on April 28, 2017, 10:10:19 AM

Quote from: challengerX on April 28, 2017, 10:00:08 AM

You can try to come up with all sorts of outlandish and obscure examples but that fact remains a 1070 is better than a 970.

You can make a game that looks like shit and play it on a 1070. It'll run better and have less issues, but it'll still look like shit if that's the artistic style.

Or do you enjoy your PC not being able work fast? Do you buy 20 year old computers because it's more authentic to use internet explorer on windows 95?

Super Smash Bros. Melee is one of my favorite games of all time, and one of my life goals is to learn how to play it competitively.

YouTube

Since the game is so old, though, the most optimal way to play it competitively is to use a CRT rather than a newer HD TV. This is because the game wasn't made for HD, and as a result, if you try to play any older game on one, you're going to experience some input lag, among other issues--making the CRT better than the HD TV in these cases.

Old technology can be better than new technology.

That's because the game was made with inferior technology. If it was remade in HD it'd be gravy.

Unfortunately HD remakes are ruined because they change the art style for some reason every time. If they didn't, and just formatted it to play on modern shit, that's it. It'd be better.

actually crt has lower input response times than any modern TV
thats why some quake players still prefer crt monitors

why the fuck would they not get a 144hz monitor?!!!!

WHAT

refresh rate and response time are different things

it's also cheaper to get a crt than it is to get a low response time high refresh rate lcd

So you are exchanging 2ms for eyestrain and horrible refresh rate?

Eyestrain? From what?

lcd is actually better for your eyes because it doesnt use what is essentially a lightbulb as well as the flickering (an image on lcd just stays there until the pixels need to change) so in a way staring at a crt monitor is in effect similar to staring at a lightbulb