specs don't matter you silly bitch LMAO

 
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Maybe somebody doesn't fucking like that. It's not that complicated.

You don't HAVE to understand it.
Just because you don't care about something doesn't mean you're suddenly correct when it comes to technology and progression in technology.

That can apply to a lot of things in life.
It's not a matter of being "correct." My entire point is that it's subjective.

We're not talking about technology, here--we're talking about art. I'd say in order for you to even participate in this conversation, you have to concede that video games are an art form. They're not just for entertainment.


 
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Verb, that's some kind of fallacy I can't think of.

"I didn't say that but the POTENTIAL someone doesn't care suddenly means it's not valid."

Maybe base rate fallacy? Something.


 
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Maybe somebody doesn't fucking like that. It's not that complicated.

You don't HAVE to understand it.
Just because you don't care about something doesn't mean you're suddenly correct when it comes to technology and progression in technology.

That can apply to a lot of things in life.
It's not a matter of being "correct." My entire point is that it's subjective.

We're not talking about technology, here--we're talking about art. I'd say in order for you to even participate in this conversation, you have to concede that video games are an art form. They're not just for entertainment.
You would also have to concede though that video games at their very definition are created due to technology, and focus around it. It's not a board game. There is nothing subjective about technology progressing for more particles, stable frame rate, and other various things being fit on the screen. It's even apparent for your wet dream of a game Breath of the Wild from the new system to the Wii U.

It doesn't even matter if it's not going for a hyper realistic look. Some things apply across all spectrums of games.
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Verb, that's some kind of fallacy I can't think of.

"I didn't say that but the POTENTIAL someone doesn't care suddenly means it's not valid."

Maybe base rate fallacy? Something.
I don't think so, you'd have to find the exact fallacy, but I'm pretty sure that's not a fallacious argument.

The argument doesn't regard validity--it regards subjectivity. If everybody in the world enjoyed the movie Suicide Squad, does that mean Suicide Squad is objectively good?


 
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I do think you're arguing from a fallacy. I shall do research to find out what kind of fallacy it is, but you're arguing from a stance where arguing doesn't matter because you'll always discard it with a "yeah but some people may not like it", as if that somehow negates the base statement.


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Verb, that's some kind of fallacy I can't think of.

"I didn't say that but the POTENTIAL someone doesn't care suddenly means it's not valid."

Maybe base rate fallacy? Something.
I don't think so, you'd have to find the exact fallacy, but I'm pretty sure that's not a fallacious argument.

The argument doesn't regard validity--it regards subjectivity. If everybody in the world enjoyed the movie Suicide Squad, does that mean Suicide Squad is objectively good?
That's a pretty good question from a subjective standpoint, but comparing a movie to a video game is way too different because if we're to compare the two, you'd have to argue from a more technical perspective such as the frames, the type of camera used, the lighting, etc. Otherwise a more apt comparison of the two would be if stories in so and so games are shit or not if everyone enjoyed it.
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That's nonsense. A game's art style doesn't suddenly change because it's on PC. The colors are more vibrant and fram rate nakqjwbqlnsbw how many times do I need to repeat this. It's fucking better.
Not everybody likes vibrant colors and not everybody cares about frame rate.

I like low frame rates because I like how it pisses people off that I like low frame rates.
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It doesn't matter. It's a possibility.

Sometimes I like when games look ugly and muddy because it creates a particular atmosphere that I wouldn't get if the colors were nicer.
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Maybe 'Argument from Authority'?
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eh, lost interest. Who cares.


 
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Goodness gracious, great balls of lightning!
This is the kind of behavior that got me so disliked for so many years: pretending my opinions are facts. Something I never do, but I still get accused of it to this day.

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You would also have to concede though that video games at their very definition are created due to technology, and focus around it. It's not a board game. There is nothing subjective about technology progressing for more particles, stable frame rate, and other various things being fit on the screen. It's even apparent for your wet dream of a game Breath of the Wild from the new system to the Wii U.

It doesn't even matter if it's not going for a hyper realistic look. Some things apply across all spectrums of games.
"More particles"
"Stable frame rate"

These are good terms to use because you're not using the word "better" to describe them.

You think they're better, and I think they tend to be better too, but I don't see how that makes them objectively better.


 
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If we're talking about the progression of technology and what it allows, then yes it is better from that perspective.

If you want to stagnate, and not advance, then sure, it doesn't? But you're always arguing that progression is the key to a lot of things in life and that stagnation is a cancer. Something I completely agree with.


 
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This is the kind of behavior that got me so disliked for so many years: pretending my opinions are facts. Something I never do, but I still get accused of it to this day.

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I never do it.


 
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I never do it.
I've seen you do it plenty of times.

Don't ask me for an example, because I'm not digging up anything. I'll just bring it up the next time I see it.


 
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If we're talking about the progression of technology and what it allows, then yes it is better from that perspective.

If you want to stagnate, and not advance, then sure, it doesn't? But you're always arguing that progression is the key to a lot of things in life and that stagnation is a cancer. Something I completely agree with.
Art is the exception to that rule. An artist can choose to stagnate--or even regress--if that's what he wants to do.

Likewise, a consumer has every right to appreciate art in any way that he wants. He's allowed to think that Super Mario 64 has the best graphics ever and that Nier: Automata looks ugly as sin. That's his right.
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I never do it.
I've seen you do it plenty of times.

Don't ask me for an example, because I'm not digging up anything. I'll just bring it up the next time I see it.
It'll never happen, and if it does, I'll be glad to carefully explain to you why you're mistaken.

Just because I don't slap "but that's just my opinion tee hee" to everything I say doesn't mean that I don't believe it.


 
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eh, lost interest. Who cares.
I've never met someone who doesn't like music.

Is it fallacious to point out that there very well could be someone out there who dislikes music?

And therefore makes the statement "everybody likes music" incorrect, because liking music is purely subjective?


 
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Goodness gracious, great balls of lightning!
I never do it.
I've seen you do it plenty of times.

Don't ask me for an example, because I'm not digging up anything. I'll just bring it up the next time I see it.
It'll never happen, and if it does, I'll be glad to carefully explain to you why you're mistaken.

Just because I don't slap "but that's just my opinion tee hee" to everything I say doesn't mean that I don't believe it.
Do I gotta remind everyone of that PS4 download speed thread?


 
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If we're talking about the progression of technology and what it allows, then yes it is better from that perspective.

If you want to stagnate, and not advance, then sure, it doesn't? But you're always arguing that progression is the key to a lot of things in life and that stagnation is a cancer. Something I completely agree with.
Art is the exception to that rule. An artist can choose to stagnate--or even regress--if that's what he wants to do.

Likewise, a consumer has every right to appreciate art in any way that he wants. He's allowed to think that Super Mario 64 has the best graphics ever and that Nier: Automata looks ugly as in. That's his right.
We have to disagree, because every other form of art I can think of isn't inherently rooted in technology. Video games (and movies I suppose) are the exception for that rule (as in they didn't exist until the technology allowed it. Something quite different to say, painting), because technology has stagnated creativity countless times in the past, and developers and directors have expressed that. Look at George Lucas of all people, one of the pioneers of technology in movies. Arguing if he ruined things is one story, but he's said that technology has held back things he wishes he could have done, which he later did do, both in the older movies and in the prequels. Video game developers have expressed this too, having to sacrifice things because the technology isn't there to express things.

When it's rooted in technology, creativity and progression go hand in hand. One could argue that further progression allows people to regress in looks/sounds (think Undertale) more effectively because they can do it far easier, and far more creatively, while still maintaining something of an old look and feel. The window widens and allows them to be more creative with their ambitions and creativity, not constrain them and suck it away.

Now you could argue they should think more creatively if the tech doesn't allow it, but I believe from an artistic standpoint, that forcing someone to do something they can't quite achieve, hinders that creativity at its roots.
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lmao you're foolish
That's a completely valid reason to like something, and it absolutely shatters the notion that higher frame rates are objectively better.

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No it isn't. It's not even a plausibility. Everybody likes colors.
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That's the art style of the game. That can still be achieved with 4k graphics.
It can also be achieved on 144p. What's your point?

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I'm sure there are some exceptions to the rule due to some defect or disease.
Which would make you wrong right there, wouldn't it?


 
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Is this hypothetical guy blind?

This has nothing to do with art. I'm talking about hardware and software. A gaming PC has better specs than a console, thus games look better.
It looks better to somebody who prefers better specs, yes.

But not everybody prefers better specs. Some people don't like them. Some people don't care.
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I never do it.
I've seen you do it plenty of times.

Don't ask me for an example, because I'm not digging up anything. I'll just bring it up the next time I see it.
It'll never happen, and if it does, I'll be glad to carefully explain to you why you're mistaken.

Just because I don't slap "but that's just my opinion tee hee" to everything I say doesn't mean that I don't believe it.
Do I gotta remind everyone of that PS4 download speed thread?
Whether a download speed is fast or slow isn't a matter of opinion, relatively speaking.


 
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eh, lost interest. Who cares.
I've never met someone who doesn't like music.

Is it fallacious to point out that there very well could be someone out there who dislikes music?

And therefore makes the statement "everybody likes music" incorrect, because liking music is purely subjective?
I believe that has to do more so with the human brain and its creativity factor. Something I don't have enough knowledge, time, or effort to invest in. I wasn't raising this point anyway, I'm focusing specifically on what I posted a long post for.
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"Moldy bread tastes better than fresh bread"

No it doesn't. There's something seriously wrong with you if you think it does.
Bread isn't comparable to art.


 
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"Moldy bread tastes better than fresh bread"

No it doesn't. There's something seriously wrong with you if you think it does.
Bread isn't comparable to art.
I'm sure you can find some creative bread. Art comes in all forms, even if it is stupid. I think "art" is one of the most subjective things around. Which means when people argue about what is and isn't art, it's about as annoying as when people are what is and isn't good music.